Are WinXP updates still coming from MS?

On 11/19/2013 06:38 PM, Dick Baker wrote:
Dick Baker seesig4address wrote in
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My years-long routine is not to have auto-updating on constantly, but
to go to the MS update page once a week to check for updates. My last
successful update was Nov. 10. When I went back Nov. 17, all I got
was the "Checking for latest updates for your computer" bar running
endlessly. That's been the same every day since then.

Either the last update buggered something up, or the XP update site is
misbehaving. Has anybody else encountered this?


Thanks to all the responders for the reassurance that it's not just me.
I guess I'll just have to let the think run for a LONG time without
giving up. And considering all the others who have remarked on this
problem, I'm surprised that it's taken so long for it to happen to me.




I'm a computer refurbisher and though I am upgrading as many machines as
possible to Win7, some are too old to be upgraded, so I'm maintaining XP.


Windows update for XP has been working very poorly if at all. It may be
a temporary Microsoft glitch or they may just be purposely throttling
their servers to get people to give up on it.

I used svchost viewer to see what was included with the one pegging the
meter. Seems to be wuauserv. there is a "supposed" fix at MS where you
do an update to whichever version of IE you have installed.

I found that it relieved the overload on the next reboot.

MSE update was failing so ended up with a signatures download and local
update. Now to see if things work as promised.

edfair wrote:
I used svchost viewer to see what was included with the one pegging the
meter. Seems to be wuauserv. there is a "supposed" fix at MS where you
do an update to whichever version of IE you have installed.

I found that it relieved the overload on the next reboot.

MSE update was failing so ended up with a signatures download and local
update. Now to see if things work as promised.



Unbelievable.

After an odyssey lasting days, and nearly trashing
my C:, the solution is: cue tiny trumpets

Install KB2888505

"MS13-088: Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer: November 12, 2013"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2888505

It's really hard for me to say, whether this is the fix
or not. I'd appreciate any feedback.

People in IT departments running WSUS, apparently see
different issues than we do as home users. So my feedback
is representative of a home user. WinXP Pro x32 SP3.

*******

While trying to fix this, I made three backup copies of C:.
It turned out, two of them still had stuff broken in them
from my experiments, meaning I had to go back to the
very first backup (I lost all my update history, and
I could no longer install anything from Windows Update - oops!).

I tried resetting this and that, ran some wmidiag thing,
all sorts of stuff. No difference.

I was lucky to get back to a working C:. For the Nth
time, I tried Windows Update, selected custom,
and could see eight updates waiting for me. It
takes the usual ~30 minutes or so, for the
screen to present the updates. So it was still
broken at this point.

I looked at the updates, and selected five of them
for installation. Seeing as several people had
selected *previous* cumulative updates for Internet Explorer
as a cure, I included KB2888505 in the mix. It got installed
in a pool of five updates.

I left the other three updates there, so I'd have more updates
to look for on the next visit to Windows Update. After the
reboot, the three items duly presented themselves,
in about *10 seconds* .

With so many other people trying these previous cumulative updates,
and nothing good happening, I can only presume this will be
broken again, next month. Somehow. So if KB2888505 happened
to fix it this month, don't expect it to work next month.

Paul

Paul wrote:
edfair wrote:
I used svchost viewer to see what was included with the one pegging the
meter. Seems to be wuauserv. there is a "supposed" fix at MS where you
do an update to whichever version of IE you have installed.

I found that it relieved the overload on the next reboot.

MSE update was failing so ended up with a signatures download and local
update. Now to see if things work as promised.



Unbelievable.

After an odyssey lasting days, and nearly trashing
my C:, the solution is: cue tiny trumpets

Install KB2888505

"MS13-088: Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer: November 12,
2013"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2888505

It's really hard for me to say, whether this is the fix
or not. I'd appreciate any feedback.

People in IT departments running WSUS, apparently see
different issues than we do as home users. So my feedback
is representative of a home user. WinXP Pro x32 SP3.

*******

While trying to fix this, I made three backup copies of C:.
It turned out, two of them still had stuff broken in them
from my experiments, meaning I had to go back to the
very first backup (I lost all my update history, and
I could no longer install anything from Windows Update - oops!).

I tried resetting this and that, ran some wmidiag thing,
all sorts of stuff. No difference.

I was lucky to get back to a working C:. For the Nth
time, I tried Windows Update, selected custom,
and could see eight updates waiting for me. It
takes the usual ~30 minutes or so, for the
screen to present the updates. So it was still
broken at this point.

I looked at the updates, and selected five of them
for installation. Seeing as several people had
selected *previous* cumulative updates for Internet Explorer
as a cure, I included KB2888505 in the mix. It got installed
in a pool of five updates.

I left the other three updates there, so I'd have more updates
to look for on the next visit to Windows Update. After the
reboot, the three items duly presented themselves,
in about *10 seconds* .

With so many other people trying these previous cumulative updates,
and nothing good happening, I can only presume this will be
broken again, next month. Somehow. So if KB2888505 happened
to fix it this month, don't expect it to work next month.

Paul

WOW.
(and you've just reconfirmed my worst suspicions about doing all of this...)

"Paul" wrote in message
...
edfair wrote:
I used svchost viewer to see what was included with the one pegging the
meter. Seems to be wuauserv. there is a "supposed" fix at MS where you
do an update to whichever version of IE you have installed.

I found that it relieved the overload on the next reboot. MSE update was
failing so ended up with a signatures download and local
update. Now to see if things work as promised.



Unbelievable.

After an odyssey lasting days, and nearly trashing
my C:, the solution is: cue tiny trumpets

Install KB2888505

"MS13-088: Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer: November 12,
2013"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2888505

It's really hard for me to say, whether this is the fix
or not. I'd appreciate any feedback.

People in IT departments running WSUS, apparently see
different issues than we do as home users. So my feedback
is representative of a home user. WinXP Pro x32 SP3.

*******

While trying to fix this, I made three backup copies of C:.
It turned out, two of them still had stuff broken in them
from my experiments, meaning I had to go back to the
very first backup (I lost all my update history, and
I could no longer install anything from Windows Update - oops!).

I tried resetting this and that, ran some wmidiag thing,
all sorts of stuff. No difference.

I was lucky to get back to a working C:. For the Nth
time, I tried Windows Update, selected custom,
and could see eight updates waiting for me. It
takes the usual ~30 minutes or so, for the
screen to present the updates. So it was still
broken at this point.

I looked at the updates, and selected five of them
for installation. Seeing as several people had
selected *previous* cumulative updates for Internet Explorer
as a cure, I included KB2888505 in the mix. It got installed
in a pool of five updates.

I left the other three updates there, so I'd have more updates
to look for on the next visit to Windows Update. After the
reboot, the three items duly presented themselves,
in about *10 seconds* .

With so many other people trying these previous cumulative updates,
and nothing good happening, I can only presume this will be
broken again, next month. Somehow. So if KB2888505 happened
to fix it this month, don't expect it to work next month.

Paul

I posted this on this forum under the title Cannot update, BITS and Windows
update corrupted on 15/11/13.

"Seems I was not alone. Apparently the October cumulative update for IE8
messed up BITS for many people. I managed to get mine sorted by various
registry hacks I came across when searching.

Current advice seems to be to Google for the direct download of the
November cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 8 for Windows XP
(KB2888505).

People are reporting that after install BITS and auto updating are fixed.

This is the direct download link for the November IE8 update:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?id=41074

I'm assuming that IE8 is the only version affected but presumably if people
have the same problem and are running a different version of IE, then
obviously they should Google for the relevant direct download."

My original post had just one reply from Ben Myers.

I also mentioned the above post in THIS thread on 20/11/13.

FYI since every XP SP3 users and I have this problem.
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...ue-soon-230940
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On 11/19/2013 10:47 AM PT, Paul typed:

Paul wrote:
Dick Baker wrote:
My years-long routine is not to have auto-updating on constantly, but
to go to the MS update page once a week to check for updates. My
last successful update was Nov. 10. When I went back Nov. 17, all I
got was the "Checking for latest updates for your computer" bar
running endlessly. That's been the same every day since then.

Either the last update buggered something up, or the XP update site
is misbehaving. Has anybody else encountered this?


On mine, I had to wait *30 minutes* before the svchost
stopped using all the CPU on one core, and the Windows Update
screen returned with eight entries. I should bill Microsoft
for the wasted electricity.

And time! Annoying. This problem has been around since July 2013 from my
experience.
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On 11/20/2013 5:49 AM PT, G.F. typed:

to go to the MS update page once a week to check for updates

Updates from MS are published only once every month (the second Tuesday of
every month). Why do you search them every week?

Sometimes on second Tuesdays of each month as well. Very rarely, MS
releases out of band (OOB) for emergency ones. I usually check twice a
month.
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Paul wrote:
edfair wrote:
I used svchost viewer to see what was included with the one pegging the
meter. Seems to be wuauserv. there is a "supposed" fix at MS where you
do an update to whichever version of IE you have installed.

I found that it relieved the overload on the next reboot.
MSE update was failing so ended up with a signatures download and local
update. Now to see if things work as promised.



Unbelievable.

After an odyssey lasting days, and nearly trashing
my C:, the solution is: cue tiny trumpets

Install KB2888505

"MS13-088: Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer: November
12, 2013"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2888505

It's really hard for me to say, whether this is the fix
or not. I'd appreciate any feedback.

People in IT departments running WSUS, apparently see
different issues than we do as home users. So my feedback
is representative of a home user. WinXP Pro x32 SP3.

*******

While trying to fix this, I made three backup copies of C:.
It turned out, two of them still had stuff broken in them
from my experiments, meaning I had to go back to the
very first backup (I lost all my update history, and
I could no longer install anything from Windows Update - oops!).

I tried resetting this and that, ran some wmidiag thing,
all sorts of stuff. No difference.

I was lucky to get back to a working C:. For the Nth
time, I tried Windows Update, selected custom,
and could see eight updates waiting for me. It
takes the usual ~30 minutes or so, for the
screen to present the updates. So it was still
broken at this point.

I looked at the updates, and selected five of them
for installation. Seeing as several people had
selected *previous* cumulative updates for Internet Explorer
as a cure, I included KB2888505 in the mix. It got installed
in a pool of five updates.

I left the other three updates there, so I'd have more updates
to look for on the next visit to Windows Update. After the
reboot, the three items duly presented themselves,
in about *10 seconds* .

With so many other people trying these previous cumulative updates,
and nothing good happening, I can only presume this will be
broken again, next month. Somehow. So if KB2888505 happened
to fix it this month, don't expect it to work next month.

Paul

It's interesting that Ant's link posted just now, doesn't
exactly align with what I see here.

This one from Nov.13 claims to use KB2879017.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...2879017-230733

And this from Nov.15 claims it has yet to be completely fixed.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...ue-soon-230940

I don't know then, if KB2888505 is then the response to
the second article, or not. Or whether there will be some
other fix to come. KB2888505 is dated Nov.12 on the Microsoft
site.

I do have a 2879017 folder on the computer, and Windows Update
shows it was applied Nov.1,2013 on my machine. (Which doesn't
have updates installed automatically. I do them in batches
when they're ripe.) And 2879017 didn't fix it here, because
I was observing the 30 minute delay (and went on my extended
fishing trip) after that point.

It's also curious, how I picked up *no* current information
in search results on my two search engines. Guess I'm not
paying enough for the service :-) I didn't pick up any
Infoworld results. I was picking up svchost 100% results
from years ago.

Paul

Paul wrote:
Paul wrote:
edfair wrote:
I used svchost viewer to see what was included with the one pegging the
meter. Seems to be wuauserv. there is a "supposed" fix at MS where you
do an update to whichever version of IE you have installed.

I found that it relieved the overload on the next reboot. MSE update
was failing so ended up with a signatures download and local
update. Now to see if things work as promised.



Unbelievable.

After an odyssey lasting days, and nearly trashing
my C:, the solution is: cue tiny trumpets

Install KB2888505

"MS13-088: Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer: November
12, 2013"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2888505

It's really hard for me to say, whether this is the fix
or not. I'd appreciate any feedback.

People in IT departments running WSUS, apparently see
different issues than we do as home users. So my feedback
is representative of a home user. WinXP Pro x32 SP3.

*******

While trying to fix this, I made three backup copies of C:.
It turned out, two of them still had stuff broken in them
from my experiments, meaning I had to go back to the
very first backup (I lost all my update history, and
I could no longer install anything from Windows Update - oops!).

I tried resetting this and that, ran some wmidiag thing,
all sorts of stuff. No difference.

I was lucky to get back to a working C:. For the Nth
time, I tried Windows Update, selected custom,
and could see eight updates waiting for me. It
takes the usual ~30 minutes or so, for the
screen to present the updates. So it was still
broken at this point.

I looked at the updates, and selected five of them
for installation. Seeing as several people had
selected *previous* cumulative updates for Internet Explorer
as a cure, I included KB2888505 in the mix. It got installed
in a pool of five updates.

I left the other three updates there, so I'd have more updates
to look for on the next visit to Windows Update. After the
reboot, the three items duly presented themselves,
in about *10 seconds* .

With so many other people trying these previous cumulative updates,
and nothing good happening, I can only presume this will be
broken again, next month. Somehow. So if KB2888505 happened
to fix it this month, don't expect it to work next month.

Paul

It's interesting that Ant's link posted just now, doesn't
exactly align with what I see here.

This one from Nov.13 claims to use KB2879017.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...2879017-230733


And this from Nov.15 claims it has yet to be completely fixed.

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...ue-soon-230940


I don't know then, if KB2888505 is then the response to
the second article, or not. Or whether there will be some
other fix to come. KB2888505 is dated Nov.12 on the Microsoft
site.

I do have a 2879017 folder on the computer, and Windows Update
shows it was applied Nov.1,2013 on my machine. (Which doesn't
have updates installed automatically. I do them in batches
when they're ripe.) And 2879017 didn't fix it here, because
I was observing the 30 minute delay (and went on my extended
fishing trip) after that point.

It's also curious, how I picked up *no* current information
in search results on my two search engines. Guess I'm not
paying enough for the service :-) I didn't pick up any
Infoworld results. I was picking up svchost 100% results
from years ago.

Paul

In the "rank noob theory" department, it occurs to me that
KB2888505 stopped the symptoms, perhaps because it changed
supersedence for the IE6 patches over the years. As I have
IE6 (only used for Windows Update!), and there is no
explicit fix mentioned in KB2888505 for this problem.
In other words, the symptoms have disappeared because
of the side-effects of that item, rather than the item
itself.

So maybe the infoworld.com Nov.15 article, the "supersedence chain"
thing has yet to be fixed properly. If the chain were to
grow some more up until April 2014, then the same problem
could arise again.

The possible fixes would be, to chop off some of the
update history (requires no code changes, isn't
technically very good), or to actually build supersedence
logic in some code, that works in less than exponential time.
You would think that would be a good thing for most all
of the Microsoft OSes :-) Not just WinXP.

Paul

On 11/23/2013 05:56 AM, Ant wrote:
FYI since every XP SP3 users and I have this problem.
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...ue-soon-230940

Betcha this would have been fixed a lot quicker had it affected Win7/8.

Jon

It resolved the problem over the last 4 days. Separate fixes for 3
versions of IE, mine 7. I'm suspicious of what it fixes and the
probablility that the problem may come back later.

Also the probablility that it has permanently whacked MSE updates.

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:49:46 +0100, "G.F." wrote:

"Dick Baker" seesig4address ha scritto nel messaggio
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to go to the MS update page once a week to check for updates

Updates from MS are published only once every month (the second Tuesday of
every month). Why do you search them every week?

Didnt' they used to update every week? That's my not so distant
recollection.

I have automatic update on, and I don't log what happens but in the
last 2 or 3 months, there don't seem to be so many. An all-yellow
shield appears in the systray.

There was one last week. (Hmmm. The third week, or maybe the
fourth. Not the second Tuesday, btw.)

"micky" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:49:46 +0100, "G.F." wrote:

"Dick Baker" seesig4address ha scritto nel messaggio
...
to go to the MS update page once a week to check for updates
Updates from MS are published only once every month (the second Tuesday of
every month). Why do you search them every week?
Didnt' they used to update every week? That's my not so distant
recollection.
I have automatic update on, and I don't log what happens but in the
last 2 or 3 months, there don't seem to be so many. An all-yellow
shield appears in the systray.
There was one last week. (Hmmm. The third week, or maybe the
fourth. Not the second Tuesday, btw.)

My automatic update is off
Set to
Notify me but don't
Automatically download
Or install them

Two week ago there was a update
For New Engine Version MSE
But it keep give a error on download
Next update at 4:00 AM

And the last update before
that maybe 2 or 3 months

Mmm make you 100% right
For the ones who do not have MSE

On 11/23/2013 2:14 PM PT, Jon Danniken typed:

On 11/23/2013 05:56 AM, Ant wrote:
FYI since every XP SP3 users and I have this problem.
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...ue-soon-230940

Betcha this would have been fixed a lot quicker had it affected Win7/8.

Yep.
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