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VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Bill in Co wrote:

MS Works used to be a pretty good lightweight program ...

My aunt ... put Kingsoft Suite Free on her laptop and she loves it. ...
You can choose a menu theme that is very close to the pre-2007
versions of MS Office to reduce the learning curve.

One thing you can't do in tables in the free 2012 version is sort your
data. I've been told you can't sort in the paid version also, but I do
not know that for sure.

My aunt happened to call me while composing this reply. I asked her
about table sorting and she said she has never needed to do that. She
knows a hell of a lot more about what Office, especially Word, can do
but never needed to do that. For that level of complexity or table
size, she creates a spreadsheet and links or embeds it into her doc.

I've been using MS Office since the 95 version and now up to 2010
version. In all that time of 18+ years, I've never needed to sort a
table in a doc (but I have needed to sort in a spreadsheet). I didn't
even think about sorting a doc table until you mentioned it.

I created a table in MS Word 2010. I right-clicked on borders, selected
a column with numbers, selected the entire table, and right-clicked on
the "+" object handle at the upper left of a table but there is no Sort
option in the context menu. In its help, I searched on "table sort" and
"sort table". Nothing came up. Not until I clicked on the Layout
ribbon tab did I finally find a Sort function (I really need to get the
classic menus add-on so I can more quickly find functions in MS Word
2010). It's obvious that table sorting is not something I've done much
(actually I don't remember ever doing this). Guess Microsoft doesn't
consider sorting a property of a table. Yep, that worked to sort a
table in a doc but then considering the size of this behmoth software
I'm not surprised it has functions not available is far smaller and more
resource-light contenders.

The Kingsoft Office installer download is just 46 MB. For MS Office
2010 Home & Student that I have, its installer is 965 MB -- 20 times the
size of Kingsoft's installer. For MS Office 2010, the recommended free
disk space for installation is 3 GB; however, the C:\Program Files
(x86)\Microsoft Office folder is 647 MB in size (for me). For Kingsoft
Office Suite, the recommended free disk space is 1 GB (I don't know its
actual folder size since it's my aunt that has this on her laptop). I
doubt Kingsoft Office, especially the free version, does everything that
MS Office 2010 can do but then that's not expected of a lightweight
solution geared more for home users than for programs geared to folks
whose careers are professional editors in the Document department at a
company. OpenOffice, also much larger than Kingsoft, can also sort
tables.

Does MS Works (to which Kingsoft Suite was compared) sort tables in Word
docs? From an online search and reading forum articles, doesn't look
like MS Works can sort tables, either.

It seems not. I guess that's considered an advanced function, but it sure
would be handy sometimes. They say if you want it sorted, you can export
it to a spreadsheet and do it there, and then bring it back (sorted) into
the document.

On 12/4/13 12:17 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Bill in Co wrote:

MS Works used to be a pretty good lightweight program ...

My aunt ... put Kingsoft Suite Free on her laptop and she loves it. ...
You can choose a menu theme that is very close to the pre-2007
versions of MS Office to reduce the learning curve.

One thing you can't do in tables in the free 2012 version is sort your
data. I've been told you can't sort in the paid version also, but I do
not know that for sure.

My aunt happened to call me while composing this reply. I asked her
about table sorting and she said she has never needed to do that. She
knows a hell of a lot more about what Office, especially Word, can do
but never needed to do that. For that level of complexity or table
size, she creates a spreadsheet and links or embeds it into her doc.

I've been using MS Office since the 95 version and now up to 2010
version. In all that time of 18+ years, I've never needed to sort a
table in a doc (but I have needed to sort in a spreadsheet). I didn't
even think about sorting a doc table until you mentioned it.

It all depends on what you use tables for, I guess. I use it for text
almost all of the time. I rarely need the number crunching of a
spreadsheet. I figured you could do this in a spreadsheet, but why if
Word can do it? And I rarely think of a spreadsheet for text uses.

I keep all these W#^*(T*(&* passwords you have to have these days in a
table. Then I just sort the Word table by site location just as if it
was a spreadsheet. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the exact same code as
in Excel.

If the table is simple and basic, and Word will do what you want, doing
it via spreadsheet seems to be extra work.

You can do basic math in Word tables too, in case you didn't know. I
tried that once or twice, but found it so cumbersome, I imported a
spreadsheet. Reminded me, somewhat, of setting up cell references in
VisiCalc so many years ago.

In Word 2003, the sort function is in the Tables and Borders toolbar.


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Ken

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VanguardLH wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

MS Works used to be a pretty good lightweight program through version 4.x
Then MS really messed it up by trying to make it a "better" Office clone,
and ditto on the file associations (Works used to use .WPS for documents,
and should have just left it that way). I still use MS Works 4 for some
quick document preparations that don't need all the bells and whistles
and
usage overhead of Word.

My aunt had an ancient version of MS Office (97, I think). She didn't
want to put that on her laptop nor did she want to pay for MS Office.
So I put Kingsoft Suite Free on her laptop and she loves it. I played
with it for awhile, too, and it's pretty good. You can choose a menu
theme that is very close to the pre-2007 versions of MS Office to reduce
the learning curve.

She's got some Microsoft certification for MS Office (probably paid for
by her company) but, so far, she found the Kingsoft freebie to handle
all her home-use needs. She didn't like LibreOffice as she needed to do
some doc work right now and couldn't waste time with the learning curve
for LibreOffice, plus she already knew as did I that some Word-matching
features are buried in some goofy workarounds. She checked out tables
and lots of other features in Kingsoft to ensure it would be usable to
her. She was intrigued with the native UI of Kingsoft but time demands
required she switch to the MS-style menus so she could start working
immediately on her docs.

Thanks for mentioning this app (Kingston Office Free). I finally went and
downloaded it, and, at first glance, it seems great, as a lighterweight
Office replacement. I'm impressed. :-)

I haven't put it through its paces, but the reviews have been pretty good,
from what I've seen. So I guess it would be fair to say that this may be a
superior lightweight replacement for Office (when compared to either
LibreOffice or Open Office), but that it may not have all the capabilities
of the latter (which wouldn't be too surprising, considering it's only a
small 50 MB install).

Another office program that was mentioned in some reviews was Softmaker's
FreeOffice, but I think this Kingston one looks great.

Bill in Co wrote:

Thanks for mentioning this app (Kingston Office Free). I finally went and
downloaded it, and, at first glance, it seems great, as a lighterweight
Office replacement. I'm impressed. :-)

I haven't put it through its paces, but the reviews have been pretty good,
from what I've seen. So I guess it would be fair to say that this may be a
superior lightweight replacement for Office (when compared to either
LibreOffice or Open Office), but that it may not have all the capabilities
of the latter (which wouldn't be too surprising, considering it's only a
small 50 MB install).

In the past, and when I was considering dropping the old Office 2003
(only because it's not supported and Microsoft suites not designed to
run on a [much] later version of Windows often incur problems), I looked
at several lightweight Office substitutes and this one bubbled to the
top of the trial list. Alas, like OpenOffice and other MS Office
alternatives, there was no e-mail component (i.e., Outlook). For that,
and to have a PIM that includes notes and hierarchical structure like
Outlook, EssentialPIM looked very good except it only supported 2 e-mail
accounts; however, not EPIM Free supports an unlimited number of e-mail
accounts. So Kingsoft+EPIM would give me a cost options:

- KingsoftFree + EPIMfree = $0
- KingsoftFree + EPIMpro = $40
- KingsoftPro + EPIMfree = $70
- KingsoftPro + EPIMpro = $110

versus

- MS Office Home & Business (to include Outlook for e-mail) = $394
(3.6 times the cost of KingsoftPro + EPIMpro)

Yeah, none of the Kingsoft + EPIM combo give me everything that MS
Office has but then I don't really care about a load of functions that I
never use. The only reason I upgraded from Office XP (2002) to 2003 was
that I got a legit copy off eBay for just $40. The only reason I
upgraded Office 2003 to 2010 (but not for Outlook which is still back at
the 2003 version) was that the OEM license came with the used computer
that a buddy gave me (and I could get the legit backup download from
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/pr...103427465.aspx
and used the OEM product key). If the new computer didn't come with
Office 2010 then I would've installed my retail copy of Office 2003, and
if I didn't want Office 2003 (or had sold it off or given it away) then
I would've gone with one of the above Kingsoft+EPIM combos probably
starting will both free and then moving up if I decided I needed, well
really if I wanted, the extra Pro features.

I tried both OpenOffice and LibreOffice. No thanks. The trials were
awhile ago and I wrote a list of why I didn't go with either of those
but it got tossed after I discarded both as alternates to a PIM like MS
Office. I do remember one failure during the trials: too slow to load.
Yeah, they've made improvement so it's faster than before but faster
than really slow is still too slow.

"Bert" wrote in message ...
In "Hot-Text"
wrote:
"Jeff T" wrote in message
...
Are newsgroups available in Outlook?
Big YES
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
No. That's for "Outlook Express" which is an entirely different product.

Yes
Available newsgroups in a
Microsoft Windows Outlook Express
Came out with Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190


But I use
Windows Live Mail
For Newsgroups Reader


The OP did not say that it was a
"E-Mail Microsoft Office Outlook"
Yes it's a Office E-Mail Reader "Only"