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"Henry"
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I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up but when I click on the message group they just go away
without opening.
Help


Pass time 2:53 PM (-0600)

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 10:42:17 -0600, Henry wrote
in

I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up but when
I click on the message group they just go away without opening.

Help

Try getting a good quality Usenet client:

http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

Henry wrote:
I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up but
when I click on the message group they just go away without opening.

Help


Are you using Seamonkey news/mail reader ?

That would be similar to Thunderbird. And in Thunderbird,
you need to click "Always Request Authentication" in the
Server Settings subsection.

When you do that, you'll be prompted for
a username and password. And when that username
and password are accepted, the entire list of newsgroups
is accepted by the server.

If you do not succeed in authenticating with the
Eternal-September server, you will only be able to post
to around 12 groups. One of those groups, is the
E-S Support group, where you can ask questions.

So have a look for the "Always Request Authentication"
box, and make sure it's ticked.

Occasionally, if the E-S server has a brain fart, it'll
reject a good username/password. If that happens, the
password storage on your client will be emptied, and you'll
have to enter the information again. That used to happen
to me in the past, but I haven't seen that problem in a
couple years now. I use Thunderbird and it seems to be
holding onto the username/password quite well.

Paul

In ,
Henry typed:
I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help

I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005; but
that could be your problem.

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2

Paul wrote:

Henry wrote:

I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.

Help


Are you using Seamonkey news/mail reader ?

That would be similar to Thunderbird. And in Thunderbird,
you need to click "Always Request Authentication" in the
Server Settings subsection.

When you do that, you'll be prompted for
a username and password. And when that username
and password are accepted, the entire list of newsgroups
is accepted by the server.

If you do not succeed in authenticating with the
Eternal-September server, you will only be able to post
to around 12 groups. One of those groups, is the
E-S Support group, where you can ask questions.

So have a look for the "Always Request Authentication"
box, and make sure it's ticked.

Occasionally, if the E-S server has a brain fart, it'll
reject a good username/password. If that happens, the
password storage on your client will be emptied, and you'll
have to enter the information again. That used to happen
to me in the past, but I haven't seen that problem in a
couple years now. I use Thunderbird and it seems to be
holding onto the username/password quite well.


"Always Request Authentication" is checked and my username and password boxs
are not empty. This only happens on this group. Other Eternal-September
groups work OK.

When I ask Eternal-September for messages for various groups, the unread ones
show in the left hand pane. When I click on one of those groups, the
messages appear in the right hand pane, except for this group where the
messages just disappear. If I then right click on this group and ask to "get
messages for account" they show up again in the left hand pane, but when I
click there on the messages they disappear again. I can keep repeating this
process ad-infinitum.

Hope I'm making sense.

Henry

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help


I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005; but
that could be your problem.

I'm using Mozilla 1.7.8 and only for email and newsgroups. This only just
started to happen and doesn't happen on the other Eternal-September groups,
just this one.

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help


I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005; but
that could be your problem.


I also might add that obviously my messages and replys are getting through on
this group.

In ,
Henry typed:
BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help

I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005;
but that could be your problem.

I'm using Mozilla 1.7.8 and only for email and newsgroups. This only
just started to happen and doesn't happen on the other
Eternal-September groups, just this one.

How about unsubscribing from this group and then subscribing to it once
again? As I think that resets the group.

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

BillW50 wrote:


In ,
Henry typed:


I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help

I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005;
but that could be your problem.


I'm using Mozilla 1.7.8 and only for email and newsgroups. This only
just started to happen and doesn't happen on the other
Eternal-September groups, just this one.


How about unsubscribing from this group and then subscribing to it once
again? As I think that resets the group.

I have tried that and it didn't do any good.

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

BillW50 wrote:


In ,
Henry typed:


I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help

I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005;
but that could be your problem.


I'm using Mozilla 1.7.8 and only for email and newsgroups. This only
just started to happen and doesn't happen on the other
Eternal-September groups, just this one.


How about unsubscribing from this group and then subscribing to it once
again? As I think that resets the group.

I have tried that and it didn't do any good.

On 1/7/2014 10:23 AM, Henry wrote:
BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

BillW50 wrote:


In ,
Henry typed:


I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help

I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005;
but that could be your problem.


I'm using Mozilla 1.7.8 and only for email and newsgroups. This only
just started to happen and doesn't happen on the other
Eternal-September groups, just this one.


How about unsubscribing from this group and then subscribing to it once again? As I think that resets the group.

I have tried that and it didn't do any good.


I think Bill is onto a good idea. The problem is,
with Mozilla products, typically unsubscribe/resubscribe doesn't
fix anything. Such a process tends to work with other newsreader
clients, but not with Thunderbird/Seamonkey.

The only problem I'm aware of, as relates to protocol, is
article numbering. A typical situation is, the server operator
renumbers the posts. Perhaps the range of posts stored
on the server was 100100-100200, and the server operator
renumbers the posts, effectively resetting the server to 100-200
for the group. When your client compares numbers, now, all the
messages are *below* the low water mark your newsreader is keeping
of 100100. Since any number between 100 and 200, is less than
100100, the client has no reason to fetch messages.

That doesn't account though, for messages disappearing entirely
from the right-hand pane. For that to happen, would require the
setting of a policy of "only display unread messages". Does
Mozilla Suite (precursor to Seamonkey) have such a setting ?
It would be re-assuring, if you knew that setting to be a fact,
and that's how you choose to run that client. There are lots of
older clients that supported such a policy, just as there are
email clients that do such things (message disappears from view,
effectively hidden, after you read them).

In the case of a Mozilla Suite/Seamonkey/Thunderbird renumbering
problem, you might have to look in a couple places. Traditionally
(on a Unix system), the file keeping track of low water and high water
marks, was the ".newsrc" file. This tradition continues on modern
tools. Look for this file, if this is how you connect to E-S server.
The file extension ends in .rc.

news.eternal-september.org.rc

Since I've read all the messages in this group, the first line in
my file is...

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: 1-112407

The low water mark is 1, the high water mark is 112407. If I had
unread messages, they would have numbers between those two values,
and would be comma separated in that same line of text.

In the past, when I wanted to "reset" a group, via the .rc file,
I would drop the file into Notepad, then change the line to

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: 1-1

setting both the low and high water marks to "one". The news client
then consults the server, and all messages currently stored on the
server (like 112031 thru 112407 or about 370 messages or so), would
pretend to "fetch" later.

I could fire up Wireshark packet tracer, and actually view the
traffic to E-S, and get the exact current numbers like 112031
and 112407, as they're in plain text in the packets coming from
the server. So I could actually connect to port 119 and get that
information. But setting the .rc line to "1-1" should be sufficient
to handle an article numbering issue.

The other files of interest would be in a folder below where
you find that .rc file.

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.dat (a small file)
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.msf (40MB on mine right now)

You can move those out of the way, and allow the system to regenerate
them. If you do that, all old headers would be lost. My client
shows the headers of messages going back many years. If I click
on an old item, the server does not have it stored on disk. And
so the attempt to fetch the message fails. But keeping the old
headers around, allows seeing whether a topic might have been
discussed at some point in the past.

If you remove those two files, and allow them to be rebuild, then
you'll only end up with stuff from 112031 to 112407. I.e. Just
the messages currently stored on E-S, can have their headers
added to the .msf file. You would lose all of the old history.

So those are the only three file types I've had reason to
play with, with a Seamonkey/Thunderbird type client.

Steps:

1) Exit from Suite. That's to ensure all file handles are closed,
and your edits will take.
2) Edit the .rc file, changing the errant group to "1-1".
The line might be quite long, if you had unread messages
in the group. Mine is tidy, because I "mark group read" from
time to time.
3) Move or remove .dat and .msf of the errant group. Allow
the tool to rebuild them.
4) Start client, fetch new messages, and test...

That's about all I can do from the client end.

Other tools, a simple unsubscribe/resubscribe, resets to "1-1"
all by itself :-) With Thunderbird, you have to "sweat like
a developer" to fix it :-) Little beads of flop sweat.

HTH,
Paul

"Henry" wrote in message ...
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Henry typed:
I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help
I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005; but that could be your problem.
I also might add that obviously my messages and replys are getting through on this group.


Like like you at the right place

Keep working with
BillW50 & Paul
They will get the right
Answers for you here

Your Truly
http://billyrferrell.forgot.his.name/Palace/
Johnny Doller

Paul wrote:

On 1/7/2014 10:23 AM, Henry wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

BillW50 wrote:


In ,
Henry typed:


I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help


I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005;
but that could be your problem.


I'm using Mozilla 1.7.8 and only for email and newsgroups. This only
just started to happen and doesn't happen on the other
Eternal-September groups, just this one.



How about unsubscribing from this group and then subscribing to it
once again? As I think that resets the group.

I have tried that and it didn't do any good.


I think Bill is onto a good idea. The problem is,
with Mozilla products, typically unsubscribe/resubscribe doesn't
fix anything. Such a process tends to work with other newsreader
clients, but not with Thunderbird/Seamonkey.

The only problem I'm aware of, as relates to protocol, is
article numbering. A typical situation is, the server operator
renumbers the posts. Perhaps the range of posts stored
on the server was 100100-100200, and the server operator
renumbers the posts, effectively resetting the server to 100-200
for the group. When your client compares numbers, now, all the
messages are *below* the low water mark your newsreader is keeping
of 100100. Since any number between 100 and 200, is less than
100100, the client has no reason to fetch messages.

That doesn't account though, for messages disappearing entirely
from the right-hand pane. For that to happen, would require the
setting of a policy of "only display unread messages". Does
Mozilla Suite (precursor to Seamonkey) have such a setting ?
It would be re-assuring, if you knew that setting to be a fact,
and that's how you choose to run that client. There are lots of
older clients that supported such a policy, just as there are
email clients that do such things (message disappears from view,
effectively hidden, after you read them).

In the case of a Mozilla Suite/Seamonkey/Thunderbird renumbering
problem, you might have to look in a couple places. Traditionally
(on a Unix system), the file keeping track of low water and high water
marks, was the ".newsrc" file. This tradition continues on modern
tools. Look for this file, if this is how you connect to E-S server.
The file extension ends in .rc.

news.eternal-september.org.rc

Since I've read all the messages in this group, the first line in
my file is...

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: 1-112407

The low water mark is 1, the high water mark is 112407. If I had
unread messages, they would have numbers between those two values,
and would be comma separated in that same line of text.

In the past, when I wanted to "reset" a group, via the .rc file,
I would drop the file into Notepad, then change the line to

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: 1-1

setting both the low and high water marks to "one". The news client
then consults the server, and all messages currently stored on the
server (like 112031 thru 112407 or about 370 messages or so), would
pretend to "fetch" later.

I could fire up Wireshark packet tracer, and actually view the
traffic to E-S, and get the exact current numbers like 112031
and 112407, as they're in plain text in the packets coming from
the server. So I could actually connect to port 119 and get that
information. But setting the .rc line to "1-1" should be sufficient
to handle an article numbering issue.

The other files of interest would be in a folder below where
you find that .rc file.

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.dat (a small file)
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.msf (40MB on mine right now)

You can move those out of the way, and allow the system to regenerate
them. If you do that, all old headers would be lost. My client
shows the headers of messages going back many years. If I click
on an old item, the server does not have it stored on disk. And
so the attempt to fetch the message fails. But keeping the old
headers around, allows seeing whether a topic might have been
discussed at some point in the past.

If you remove those two files, and allow them to be rebuild, then
you'll only end up with stuff from 112031 to 112407. I.e. Just
the messages currently stored on E-S, can have their headers
added to the .msf file. You would lose all of the old history.

So those are the only three file types I've had reason to
play with, with a Seamonkey/Thunderbird type client.

Steps:

1) Exit from Suite. That's to ensure all file handles are closed,
and your edits will take.
2) Edit the .rc file, changing the errant group to "1-1".
The line might be quite long, if you had unread messages
in the group. Mine is tidy, because I "mark group read" from
time to time.
3) Move or remove .dat and .msf of the errant group. Allow
the tool to rebuild them.
4) Start client, fetch new messages, and test...

That's about all I can do from the client end.

Other tools, a simple unsubscribe/resubscribe, resets to "1-1"
all by itself :-) With Thunderbird, you have to "sweat like
a developer" to fix it :-) Little beads of flop sweat.

HTH,
Paul

My .rc file looks like this:

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
1-112391,112393,112394,112397,112399,112401,112403,1 12405-112407,112409

Is that too many numbers?

Henry

Paul wrote:

On 1/7/2014 10:23 AM, Henry wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

In ,
Henry typed:

BillW50 wrote:


In ,
Henry typed:


I'm having trouble getting messages from here. The messages show up
but when I click on the message group they just go away without
opening.
Help


I don't know what Mozilla product you are using from May 11, 2005;
but that could be your problem.


I'm using Mozilla 1.7.8 and only for email and newsgroups. This only
just started to happen and doesn't happen on the other
Eternal-September groups, just this one.



How about unsubscribing from this group and then subscribing to it
once again? As I think that resets the group.

I have tried that and it didn't do any good.


I think Bill is onto a good idea. The problem is,
with Mozilla products, typically unsubscribe/resubscribe doesn't
fix anything. Such a process tends to work with other newsreader
clients, but not with Thunderbird/Seamonkey.

The only problem I'm aware of, as relates to protocol, is
article numbering. A typical situation is, the server operator
renumbers the posts. Perhaps the range of posts stored
on the server was 100100-100200, and the server operator
renumbers the posts, effectively resetting the server to 100-200
for the group. When your client compares numbers, now, all the
messages are *below* the low water mark your newsreader is keeping
of 100100. Since any number between 100 and 200, is less than
100100, the client has no reason to fetch messages.

That doesn't account though, for messages disappearing entirely
from the right-hand pane. For that to happen, would require the
setting of a policy of "only display unread messages". Does
Mozilla Suite (precursor to Seamonkey) have such a setting ?
It would be re-assuring, if you knew that setting to be a fact,
and that's how you choose to run that client. There are lots of
older clients that supported such a policy, just as there are
email clients that do such things (message disappears from view,
effectively hidden, after you read them).

In the case of a Mozilla Suite/Seamonkey/Thunderbird renumbering
problem, you might have to look in a couple places. Traditionally
(on a Unix system), the file keeping track of low water and high water
marks, was the ".newsrc" file. This tradition continues on modern
tools. Look for this file, if this is how you connect to E-S server.
The file extension ends in .rc.

news.eternal-september.org.rc

Since I've read all the messages in this group, the first line in
my file is...

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: 1-112407

The low water mark is 1, the high water mark is 112407. If I had
unread messages, they would have numbers between those two values,
and would be comma separated in that same line of text.

In the past, when I wanted to "reset" a group, via the .rc file,
I would drop the file into Notepad, then change the line to

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: 1-1

setting both the low and high water marks to "one". The news client
then consults the server, and all messages currently stored on the
server (like 112031 thru 112407 or about 370 messages or so), would
pretend to "fetch" later.

I could fire up Wireshark packet tracer, and actually view the
traffic to E-S, and get the exact current numbers like 112031
and 112407, as they're in plain text in the packets coming from
the server. So I could actually connect to port 119 and get that
information. But setting the .rc line to "1-1" should be sufficient
to handle an article numbering issue.

The other files of interest would be in a folder below where
you find that .rc file.

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.dat (a small file)
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.msf (40MB on mine right now)

You can move those out of the way, and allow the system to regenerate
them. If you do that, all old headers would be lost. My client
shows the headers of messages going back many years. If I click
on an old item, the server does not have it stored on disk. And
so the attempt to fetch the message fails. But keeping the old
headers around, allows seeing whether a topic might have been
discussed at some point in the past.

If you remove those two files, and allow them to be rebuild, then
you'll only end up with stuff from 112031 to 112407. I.e. Just
the messages currently stored on E-S, can have their headers
added to the .msf file. You would lose all of the old history.

So those are the only three file types I've had reason to
play with, with a Seamonkey/Thunderbird type client.

Steps:

1) Exit from Suite. That's to ensure all file handles are closed,
and your edits will take.
2) Edit the .rc file, changing the errant group to "1-1".
The line might be quite long, if you had unread messages
in the group. Mine is tidy, because I "mark group read" from
time to time.
3) Move or remove .dat and .msf of the errant group. Allow
the tool to rebuild them.
4) Start client, fetch new messages, and test...

That's about all I can do from the client end.

Other tools, a simple unsubscribe/resubscribe, resets to "1-1"
all by itself :-) With Thunderbird, you have to "sweat like
a developer" to fix it :-) Little beads of flop sweat.

HTH,
Paul

I also have the following .rc files:

news.eternal-september.org.rc
news.eternal-septembe-1.rc
news.eternal-septembe-2.rc
news.eternal-septembe-3.rc
news.eternal-septembe-4.rc
news.eternal-septembe-5.rc
news.eternal-septembe-6.rc
news.eternal-septembe-7.rc
news.eternal-septembe-8.rc
news.eternal-septembe-9.rc
news.eternal-septembe-10.rc
news.eternal-septembe-11.rc

All have different sizes and dates. The last one has 1/7/2014 for the date.

Henry