M$ drops support for security essentials in xp

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft..._pm_2014-01-08

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d-support-help

end-of-support Web page now states, "Microsoft will
also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials
for download on Windows XP on this date."

Hmmm. No more support for the worst AV in the business.
Go figure.

On 01/08/2014 04:36 PM, Todd wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft..._pm_2014-01-08


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d-support-help

end-of-support Web page now states, "Microsoft will
also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials
for download on Windows XP on this date."

Hmmm. No more support for the worst AV in the business.
Go figure.





I am curious if existing installations of XP that have MSE installed
will still be able to get updates for it,

If not there are still free virus checkers out there...but it looks like
XP will be on it's way out.

On 1/8/2014 6:17 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/08/2014 04:36 PM, Todd wrote:

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft..._pm_2014-01-08

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d-support-help

end-of-support Web page now states, "Microsoft will
also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials
for download on Windows XP on this date."

Hmmm. No more support for the worst AV in the business.
Go figure.

I am curious if existing installations of XP that have MSE installed
will still be able to get updates for it,

If not there are still free virus checkers out there...but it looks like
XP will be on it's way out.

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.

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On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:
y out.

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.



I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1

That said, I do volunteer work for an NPO and need to support their
machines as best as possible. I have been upgrading the HW and
converting to Win7 wherever possible. Any machine that can not be
upgrading will eventually be phased out.

On 1/8/2014 6:41 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.

I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1

That said, I do volunteer work for an NPO and need to support their
machines as best as possible. I have been upgrading the HW and
converting to Win7 wherever possible. Any machine that can not be
upgrading will eventually be phased out.

I've seen Windows v1 once, but I don't recall much of it. I stayed away
from Windows until 3.1. Previously I was using DOS and GEOS. And my all
time favorite Windows is XP, although I hated it until XP SP2. I bought
a lot of spare XP machines before you couldn't get them anymore. So I
shouldn't have to worry about XP fading away here anytime soon. ;-)

--
Bill
Dell Latitute Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 7 Pro SP1

On 01/08/2014 07:17 PM, BillW50 wrote:

I've seen Windows v1 once, but I don't recall much of it. I stayed away
from Windows until 3.1. Previously I was using DOS and GEOS. And my all
time favorite Windows is XP, although I hated it until XP SP2. I bought
a lot of spare XP machines before you couldn't get them anymore. So I
shouldn't have to worry about XP fading away here anytime soon. ;-)




I have more XP machines that I will ever use.


I have been thinning out my collection but I have at least one each of
everything going all the way back to the 8088 and even before...
such as a Kaypro.

My favorite machine is a Zenith Data Systems 286


I got an after market ISA, RAM extension card from a 386
that works in the Zenith and I have 16 megs of RAM in there.
That's the maximum a 286 can address.


It came with 512k of discrete memory chips.


Though at the time a 286 was manufactured it would not have been
impossible to have 16 megs of RAM...to buy enough discrete memory chips
to come up with 16 megs probably would have cost $50k I'd guess.

On 01/08/2014 04:41 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:
y out.

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.



I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1

I still have Win v1.04 around here on a floppy, which I used on my
PS2/25 at the time. I didn't see what the big fuss was, and preferred
using DOS.

Jon

On 1/8/2014 2:36 PM PT, Todd typed:


http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft..._pm_2014-01-08


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d-support-help

end-of-support Web page now states, "Microsoft will
also stop providing Microsoft Security Essentials
for download on Windows XP on this date."

Hmmm. No more support for the worst AV in the business.
Go figure.

Why keep supporting XP if its support is (st/dr)opped? Is MSE that bad?
I thought it was supposed to be good.
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On 01/09/2014 05:50 AM, Ant wrote:
Is MSE that bad? I thought it was supposed to be good.

MSE is used as the "base line" for the worst AV over on
av-comparatives.org.

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:41:54 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:
y out.

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.



I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1


I never ran Windows 1.0, but I ran 2.0. The floppies for it are long
gone, however.

On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 19:25:39 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 01/08/2014 07:17 PM, BillW50 wrote:

I've seen Windows v1 once, but I don't recall much of it. I stayed away
from Windows until 3.1. Previously I was using DOS and GEOS. And my all
time favorite Windows is XP, although I hated it until XP SP2. I bought
a lot of spare XP machines before you couldn't get them anymore. So I
shouldn't have to worry about XP fading away here anytime soon. ;-)




I have more XP machines that I will ever use.


I have been thinning out my collection but I have at least one each of
everything going all the way back to the 8088 and even before...
such as a Kaypro.


Are all of these out on a table somewhere, where they are usable? That
would take up a lot of space!

Or do you just keep them stored in a closet or something like that?

For whatever good it does, if you use MSE and get a virus you have only
MS to point at. No third parties pointing at each other.



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On 01/09/2014 12:05 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I have more XP machines that I will ever use.


I have been thinning out my collection but I have at least one each of
everything going all the way back to the 8088 and even before...
such as a Kaypro.


Are all of these out on a table somewhere, where they are usable? That
would take up a lot of space!

Or do you just keep them stored in a closet or something like that?



As long as I don't clutter up the house my wife does not complain...so
some are up on the attic and some in the basement and a few are stashed
away in the back of a closet.

In addition to the Zenith Data Systems...another favorite is an IBM PS/2

they sure don't make them like that anymore!

On 01/09/2014 12:03 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:41:54 -0600, philo wrote:

On 01/08/2014 06:30 PM, BillW50 wrote:
y out.

I don't see any big deal myself. As I still have two Windows 3.1, one
Windows 98, and two Windows 2000 machines and they are still doing just
fine.



I am a vintage computer collector and have Windows all the way back to
version 1


I never ran Windows 1.0, but I ran 2.0. The floppies for it are long
gone, however.




I started with Win95 then worked /backwards/.

Though I started out in the punch cards days...but between 1982 and 1999
I stayed as far away from computers as possible. In 1999 my (now) wife
gave me her old P-1 with Win95.

After I figured out (slightly) what I was doing...I then had to go back
and learn all that I had missed during the 17 years I had been away.

A friend of mine rented space in a warehouse and the owner wanted to get
rid of a bunch of junk computers...so I picked up a truckload of 8088's
through 386's and took them apart and put them back together and learned
DOS and Win3x and even got a look at Win3.0 Win1 Win2 NT3.1 OS/2
....you name it.

Eventually I felt confident enough to move /forward/. Upgraded the P-1
as far as I could take it and dual booted Win98 and Red Hat 5.2 Linux
for quite a few years.

On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:54:30 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 01/09/2014 12:05 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

I have more XP machines that I will ever use.


I have been thinning out my collection but I have at least one each of
everything going all the way back to the 8088 and even before...
such as a Kaypro.


Are all of these out on a table somewhere, where they are usable? That
would take up a lot of space!

Or do you just keep them stored in a closet or something like that?



As long as I don't clutter up the house my wife does not complain...so
some are up on the attic and some in the basement and a few are stashed
away in the back of a closet.


My house must be smaller than yours--no attic and no basement. And
even if I had computers in a closet, my wife would complain.