Windows-old folder

I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed

Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder


Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on that
webpage.

Ed

On 1/9/2014 9:19 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder


Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on that webpage.

Ed


As well as a method to remove it manually, I read somewhere that
Windows 8 will remove that folder on its own, after one month has passed.
So don't rely on windows.old like it was "some sort of backup", as
it might disappear on its own. (That shouldn't happen on Windows 7.
I think Windows 7 is still manual. It's Windows 8 that automated it.)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-d9fac3efe9b8

"I understand the inconvenience caused you, unfortunately the Widows .old
folder will delete automatically after 28 days since Windows was installed."

Hahaha. I bet the support people get a big chuckle when someone
tells them they were relying on windows.old sticking around :-(
Thank God for automation... And Nannyism.

Yet another reason to do a backup before the Upgrade, and keep
it around later as your "windows.old", for emergencies.

Paul

Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 9:19 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with
Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder



Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on
that webpage.

Ed


As well as a method to remove it manually, I read somewhere that
Windows 8 will remove that folder on its own, after one month has passed.
So don't rely on windows.old like it was "some sort of backup", as
it might disappear on its own. (That shouldn't happen on Windows 7.
I think Windows 7 is still manual. It's Windows 8 that automated it.)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-d9fac3efe9b8


"I understand the inconvenience caused you, unfortunately the Widows
.old
folder will delete automatically after 28 days since Windows was
installed."

Hahaha. I bet the support people get a big chuckle when someone
tells them they were relying on windows.old sticking around :-(
Thank God for automation... And Nannyism.

Yet another reason to do a backup before the Upgrade, and keep
it around later as your "windows.old", for emergencies.

Paul


I think I'm still locked into old ways of thinking, getting anxious
about the odd 5GB file hanging around on the HD.

I've done all the updating, tidying (and learning a bit about Win8.1)
now, and I've taken a system image. So I can relax. :-)

I'm also acquiring a strange kind of liking for this latest 8.1, more as
I work with it and find the shortcuts around it. I'm commissioning it
for someone else, and I'm leaving it as it is, I mean not putting
Classic Shell or the like on it.

Ed

Ed Cryer said on 1/9/2014 5:13 PM:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 9:19 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with
Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder




Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on
that webpage.

Ed


As well as a method to remove it manually, I read somewhere that
Windows 8 will remove that folder on its own, after one month has passed.
So don't rely on windows.old like it was "some sort of backup", as
it might disappear on its own. (That shouldn't happen on Windows 7.
I think Windows 7 is still manual. It's Windows 8 that automated it.)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-d9fac3efe9b8



"I understand the inconvenience caused you, unfortunately the Widows
.old
folder will delete automatically after 28 days since Windows was
installed."

Hahaha. I bet the support people get a big chuckle when someone
tells them they were relying on windows.old sticking around :-(
Thank God for automation... And Nannyism.

Yet another reason to do a backup before the Upgrade, and keep
it around later as your "windows.old", for emergencies.

Paul


I think I'm still locked into old ways of thinking, getting anxious
about the odd 5GB file hanging around on the HD.

I've done all the updating, tidying (and learning a bit about Win8.1)
now, and I've taken a system image. So I can relax. :-)

I'm also acquiring a strange kind of liking for this latest 8.1, more as
I work with it and find the shortcuts around it. I'm commissioning it
for someone else, and I'm leaving it as it is, I mean not putting
Classic Shell or the like on it.

Ed



I was dead against win8 when I saw one of the previews. I ran it on a
virtual machine where I had less than the optimum screen size and then
the tiles. But you're right, now that I have it, with 8.1 and a
similar start menu and the boot to desktop, those few items have made it
basically win7. I've even come to like some of the MUI apps.

On 1/9/2014 7:00 PM, Big Al wrote:

Ed Cryer said on 1/9/2014 5:13 PM:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 9:19 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with
Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder




Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on
that webpage.

Ed


As well as a method to remove it manually, I read somewhere that
Windows 8 will remove that folder on its own, after one month has passed.
So don't rely on windows.old like it was "some sort of backup", as
it might disappear on its own. (That shouldn't happen on Windows 7.
I think Windows 7 is still manual. It's Windows 8 that automated it.)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-d9fac3efe9b8



"I understand the inconvenience caused you, unfortunately the Widows
.old
folder will delete automatically after 28 days since Windows was
installed."

Hahaha. I bet the support people get a big chuckle when someone
tells them they were relying on windows.old sticking around :-(
Thank God for automation... And Nannyism.

Yet another reason to do a backup before the Upgrade, and keep
it around later as your "windows.old", for emergencies.

Paul


I think I'm still locked into old ways of thinking, getting anxious
about the odd 5GB file hanging around on the HD.

I've done all the updating, tidying (and learning a bit about Win8.1)
now, and I've taken a system image. So I can relax. :-)

I'm also acquiring a strange kind of liking for this latest 8.1, more as
I work with it and find the shortcuts around it. I'm commissioning it
for someone else, and I'm leaving it as it is, I mean not putting
Classic Shell or the like on it.

Ed



I was dead against win8 when I saw one of the previews. I ran it on a virtual machine where I had less than the optimum screen size and then the tiles. But you're right, now that I have it, with 8.1 and a similar start menu and the boot to desktop, those few items have made it basically win7. I've even come to like some of the MUI apps.

Try loading it up with a background computing task, then
tell me what you think.

I've got a 7ZIP job running right now, 4 threads on a dual
core processor (to get more of the CPU to work on the 7ZIP
compression run), and if I try to launch any other programs,
it takes around 30 seconds before they appear on the screen.

Other OSes would reduce the cycles 7ZIP was receiving
(temporarily) until the program loader was finished.
Win8 just seems to give a tiny slice to the loader,
and then loading takes forever.

The only thing with a reasonable response time right now,
is Explorer (which is always running anyway). Explorer windows
appear in about two seconds. But a program that has been
run at least once today, still takes around 30 seconds to
launch. And with the lack of feedback onscreen while this
is going on, I can never be sure the double-click "took".

It's stuff like this, that makes me consider this OS
to be an amateur effort. It's graphically polished (in
terms of rendering with "clean lines"), but the little details
that "make an OS an OS", are sadly lacking. I've already
told my story about how poorly Windows 8 behaves when
it runs out of Pool. Task Manager is useless for doing
anything, if the OS is under stress. Which means the
OS really can't be trusted for serious work.

Here's another one for you. Click the Start button, then
immediately start typing. Then tell me, how many times,
when you type in a word, does it throw away one of the
typed letters, ****ing up the spelling ? If I type Notepad,
immediately after clicking start, it shows up as Ntepad or Notpad.
It means, I have to look up, every time I use that stupid
interface, to check whether my spelling is even remotely
close to what I typed.

Paul

Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 7:00 PM, Big Al wrote:

Ed Cryer said on 1/9/2014 5:13 PM:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 9:19 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with
Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete
it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder





Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on
that webpage.

Ed


As well as a method to remove it manually, I read somewhere that
Windows 8 will remove that folder on its own, after one month has
passed.
So don't rely on windows.old like it was "some sort of backup", as
it might disappear on its own. (That shouldn't happen on Windows 7.
I think Windows 7 is still manual. It's Windows 8 that automated it.)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-d9fac3efe9b8




"I understand the inconvenience caused you, unfortunately the
Widows
.old
folder will delete automatically after 28 days since Windows was
installed."

Hahaha. I bet the support people get a big chuckle when someone
tells them they were relying on windows.old sticking around :-(
Thank God for automation... And Nannyism.

Yet another reason to do a backup before the Upgrade, and keep
it around later as your "windows.old", for emergencies.

Paul


I think I'm still locked into old ways of thinking, getting anxious
about the odd 5GB file hanging around on the HD.

I've done all the updating, tidying (and learning a bit about Win8.1)
now, and I've taken a system image. So I can relax. :-)

I'm also acquiring a strange kind of liking for this latest 8.1, more as
I work with it and find the shortcuts around it. I'm commissioning it
for someone else, and I'm leaving it as it is, I mean not putting
Classic Shell or the like on it.

Ed



I was dead against win8 when I saw one of the previews. I ran it on a
virtual machine where I had less than the optimum screen size and then
the tiles. But you're right, now that I have it, with 8.1 and a
similar start menu and the boot to desktop, those few items have made
it basically win7. I've even come to like some of the MUI apps.

Try loading it up with a background computing task, then
tell me what you think.

I've got a 7ZIP job running right now, 4 threads on a dual
core processor (to get more of the CPU to work on the 7ZIP
compression run), and if I try to launch any other programs,
it takes around 30 seconds before they appear on the screen.

Other OSes would reduce the cycles 7ZIP was receiving
(temporarily) until the program loader was finished.
Win8 just seems to give a tiny slice to the loader,
and then loading takes forever.

The only thing with a reasonable response time right now,
is Explorer (which is always running anyway). Explorer windows
appear in about two seconds. But a program that has been
run at least once today, still takes around 30 seconds to
launch. And with the lack of feedback onscreen while this
is going on, I can never be sure the double-click "took".

It's stuff like this, that makes me consider this OS
to be an amateur effort. It's graphically polished (in
terms of rendering with "clean lines"), but the little details
that "make an OS an OS", are sadly lacking. I've already
told my story about how poorly Windows 8 behaves when
it runs out of Pool. Task Manager is useless for doing
anything, if the OS is under stress. Which means the
OS really can't be trusted for serious work.

Here's another one for you. Click the Start button, then
immediately start typing. Then tell me, how many times,
when you type in a word, does it throw away one of the
typed letters, ****ing up the spelling ? If I type Notepad,
immediately after clicking start, it shows up as Ntepad or Notpad.
It means, I have to look up, every time I use that stupid
interface, to check whether my spelling is even remotely
close to what I typed.

Paul


Yes, it does take some time from Start to accepting typing. I reckon
close on two seconds. I looked at it in Win7 and it's almost instantaneous.

As for multi-core usage, Win7 is no angel. I have Intel quad-cores,
3GHtz, 6GB DDR3 RAM, and Win7; and with a virus scan, video conversion,
large 7zip or even USB TV running, it can get turgid.
I can't give you hard figures (although I can rule out the 30 secs you
mention) but it is noticeably slowed.

I'm still with Firefox on the Win7. I don't know why; it is very
memory-grabbing; but I'm sticking with IE11 on the Win8.1. It was there
preinstalled, tested ok; and why add another browser?

Ed

On 1/10/2014 1:32 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 7:00 PM, Big Al wrote:

Ed Cryer said on 1/9/2014 5:13 PM:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 9:19 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with
Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete
it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder





Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on
that webpage.

Ed


As well as a method to remove it manually, I read somewhere that
Windows 8 will remove that folder on its own, after one month has
passed.
So don't rely on windows.old like it was "some sort of backup", as
it might disappear on its own. (That shouldn't happen on Windows 7.
I think Windows 7 is still manual. It's Windows 8 that automated it.)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-d9fac3efe9b8




"I understand the inconvenience caused you, unfortunately the
Widows
.old
folder will delete automatically after 28 days since Windows was
installed."

Hahaha. I bet the support people get a big chuckle when someone
tells them they were relying on windows.old sticking around :-(
Thank God for automation... And Nannyism.

Yet another reason to do a backup before the Upgrade, and keep
it around later as your "windows.old", for emergencies.

Paul


I think I'm still locked into old ways of thinking, getting anxious
about the odd 5GB file hanging around on the HD.

I've done all the updating, tidying (and learning a bit about Win8.1)
now, and I've taken a system image. So I can relax. :-)

I'm also acquiring a strange kind of liking for this latest 8.1, more as
I work with it and find the shortcuts around it. I'm commissioning it
for someone else, and I'm leaving it as it is, I mean not putting
Classic Shell or the like on it.

Ed



I was dead against win8 when I saw one of the previews. I ran it on a
virtual machine where I had less than the optimum screen size and then
the tiles. But you're right, now that I have it, with 8.1 and a
similar start menu and the boot to desktop, those few items have made
it basically win7. I've even come to like some of the MUI apps.

Try loading it up with a background computing task, then
tell me what you think.

I've got a 7ZIP job running right now, 4 threads on a dual
core processor (to get more of the CPU to work on the 7ZIP
compression run), and if I try to launch any other programs,
it takes around 30 seconds before they appear on the screen.

Other OSes would reduce the cycles 7ZIP was receiving
(temporarily) until the program loader was finished.
Win8 just seems to give a tiny slice to the loader,
and then loading takes forever.

The only thing with a reasonable response time right now,
is Explorer (which is always running anyway). Explorer windows
appear in about two seconds. But a program that has been
run at least once today, still takes around 30 seconds to
launch. And with the lack of feedback onscreen while this
is going on, I can never be sure the double-click "took".

It's stuff like this, that makes me consider this OS
to be an amateur effort. It's graphically polished (in
terms of rendering with "clean lines"), but the little details
that "make an OS an OS", are sadly lacking. I've already
told my story about how poorly Windows 8 behaves when
it runs out of Pool. Task Manager is useless for doing
anything, if the OS is under stress. Which means the
OS really can't be trusted for serious work.

Here's another one for you. Click the Start button, then
immediately start typing. Then tell me, how many times,
when you type in a word, does it throw away one of the
typed letters, ****ing up the spelling ? If I type Notepad,
immediately after clicking start, it shows up as Ntepad or Notpad.
It means, I have to look up, every time I use that stupid
interface, to check whether my spelling is even remotely
close to what I typed.

Paul


Yes, it does take some time from Start to accepting typing. I reckon close on two seconds. I looked at it in Win7 and it's almost instantaneous.

As for multi-core usage, Win7 is no angel. I have Intel quad-cores, 3GHtz, 6GB DDR3 RAM, and Win7; and with a virus scan, video conversion, large 7zip or even USB TV running, it can get turgid.
I can't give you hard figures (although I can rule out the 30 secs you mention) but it is noticeably slowed.

I'm still with Firefox on the Win7. I don't know why; it is very memory-grabbing; but I'm sticking with IE11 on the Win8.1. It was there preinstalled, tested ok; and why add another browser?

Ed


Well, personally, I'm not a fan of IE because:

1) It supports ActiveX. An unnecessary attack surface.
2) It receives a "Cumulative Security Update" once a month.
You can either argue with the quantity of patches, or
the delivery vehicle (once a month), as to which is worse.
It's better than say, Java, in that at least you have a
vague feeling a team is working on it. When a Java issue
comes up, "effective security" means uninstalling it.

And in my previously described "load test", IE in Win8 performed
poorly when controlling my router interface (latency between mouse
clicks in IE and IE doing something). Which is all I normally use
IE for on a day to day basis. You know, connect to 192.168.1.1,
enter username/password, click Start on the stuff controlling my
ADSL setup. I don't have ADSL set on automatic restore or anything.
It's under manual control.

On WinXP, I could rely on IE6 to give an instantaneous response.
If I needed to kill the network connection, I could click
the "disconnect" button in the IE6 window, and my connection
would be dropped instantly. With my Windows 8 setup, with a
compute load in the background, that wouldn't be a viable alternative,
and it would be faster to run over and kill the power on the "networking
stack". All the networking stuff is on its own power strip :-)

Paul

On 01/10/2014 01:32 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 7:00 PM, Big Al wrote:

Ed Cryer said on 1/9/2014 5:13 PM:
Paul wrote:
On 1/9/2014 9:19 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-09 8:47 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I've updated a PC from Win8 to Win8.1. It's brand new and came with
Win8
preinstalled.
I tried to get rid of the old folder using disk cleanup (old
installations item) but it's still there.

It's over 5GB and I want to get rid of it. I could just delete
it, but
I'd appreciate guidance from someone who might have done that.

Ed


http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ZA/w...ows-old-folder






Solved by investigation.
I'd left the item unticked for the final OK; item 5 in the list on
that webpage.

Ed


As well as a method to remove it manually, I read somewhere that
Windows 8 will remove that folder on its own, after one month has
passed.
So don't rely on windows.old like it was "some sort of backup", as
it might disappear on its own. (That shouldn't happen on Windows 7.
I think Windows 7 is still manual. It's Windows 8 that automated it.)

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-d9fac3efe9b8





"I understand the inconvenience caused you, unfortunately the
Widows
.old
folder will delete automatically after 28 days since Windows was
installed."

Hahaha. I bet the support people get a big chuckle when someone
tells them they were relying on windows.old sticking around :-(
Thank God for automation... And Nannyism.

Yet another reason to do a backup before the Upgrade, and keep
it around later as your "windows.old", for emergencies.

Paul


I think I'm still locked into old ways of thinking, getting anxious
about the odd 5GB file hanging around on the HD.

I've done all the updating, tidying (and learning a bit about Win8.1)
now, and I've taken a system image. So I can relax. :-)

I'm also acquiring a strange kind of liking for this latest 8.1,
more as
I work with it and find the shortcuts around it. I'm commissioning it
for someone else, and I'm leaving it as it is, I mean not putting
Classic Shell or the like on it.

Ed



I was dead against win8 when I saw one of the previews. I ran it on a
virtual machine where I had less than the optimum screen size and then
the tiles. But you're right, now that I have it, with 8.1 and a
similar start menu and the boot to desktop, those few items have made
it basically win7. I've even come to like some of the MUI apps.

Try loading it up with a background computing task, then
tell me what you think.

I've got a 7ZIP job running right now, 4 threads on a dual
core processor (to get more of the CPU to work on the 7ZIP
compression run), and if I try to launch any other programs,
it takes around 30 seconds before they appear on the screen.

Other OSes would reduce the cycles 7ZIP was receiving
(temporarily) until the program loader was finished.
Win8 just seems to give a tiny slice to the loader,
and then loading takes forever.

The only thing with a reasonable response time right now,
is Explorer (which is always running anyway). Explorer windows
appear in about two seconds. But a program that has been
run at least once today, still takes around 30 seconds to
launch. And with the lack of feedback onscreen while this
is going on, I can never be sure the double-click "took".

It's stuff like this, that makes me consider this OS
to be an amateur effort. It's graphically polished (in
terms of rendering with "clean lines"), but the little details
that "make an OS an OS", are sadly lacking. I've already
told my story about how poorly Windows 8 behaves when
it runs out of Pool. Task Manager is useless for doing
anything, if the OS is under stress. Which means the
OS really can't be trusted for serious work.

Here's another one for you. Click the Start button, then
immediately start typing. Then tell me, how many times,
when you type in a word, does it throw away one of the
typed letters, ****ing up the spelling ? If I type Notepad,
immediately after clicking start, it shows up as Ntepad or Notpad.
It means, I have to look up, every time I use that stupid
interface, to check whether my spelling is even remotely
close to what I typed.

Paul


Yes, it does take some time from Start to accepting typing. I reckon
close on two seconds. I looked at it in Win7 and it's almost instantaneous.

As for multi-core usage, Win7 is no angel. I have Intel quad-cores,
3GHtz, 6GB DDR3 RAM, and Win7; and with a virus scan, video conversion,
large 7zip or even USB TV running, it can get turgid.
I can't give you hard figures (although I can rule out the 30 secs you
mention) but it is noticeably slowed.

I'm still with Firefox on the Win7. I don't know why; it is very
memory-grabbing; but I'm sticking with IE11 on the Win8.1. It was there
preinstalled, tested ok; and why add another browser?

Ed

Oddly IE in the tiles MUI does not work unless its the default browser.
It launches the desktop version, I shouldn't say 'doesn't work'!

On 1/10/2014 6:48 PM, Big_Al wrote:
Oddly IE in the tiles MUI does not work unless its the default browser.
It launches the desktop version, I shouldn't say 'doesn't work'!

Yes that is somewhat annoying about Metro IE. Although I have been
playing around with Mozilla Aurora under Metro and it doesn't suffer
from that limitation.

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On 1/10/2014 2:26 PM, Paul wrote:
On 1/10/2014 1:32 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Well, personally, I'm not a fan of IE because:

1) It supports ActiveX. An unnecessary attack surface.

Oh man! If ActiveX freaks you out, just disable it. It's really no big
deal. And if ActiveX bothers you, then you better start worrying more
about Flash and Java too.

2) It receives a "Cumulative Security Update" once a month.
You can either argue with the quantity of patches, or
the delivery vehicle (once a month), as to which is worse.
It's better than say, Java, in that at least you have a
vague feeling a team is working on it. When a Java issue
comes up, "effective security" means uninstalling it.

Monthly patches generally are fixes for things that are not yet found in
the wild, so there is no big rush. For a serious threat, Microsoft
issues them right away.

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

BillW50 wrote:
Monthly patches generally are fixes for things that are not yet found in
the wild, so there is no big rush. For a serious threat, Microsoft
issues them right away.

More bad and dangerous advice from our resident braggart. They don't
call it "exploit Wednesday" for nothing, lame brain.

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Alias

On 09/01/2014 22:13, Ed Cryer wrote:
I mean not putting
Classic Shell or the like on it.

Ed





Wise decision. I have never installed any third-party tools on Windows
8/8.1. I always opt for the latest thing because that is what is
likely to be the base for the next generation of operating systems. We
just have to get used to it and sooner the better.

On 1/11/2014 2:37 PM, Good Guy wrote:
Wise decision. I have never installed any third-party tools on Windows
8/8.1. I always opt for the latest thing because that is what is likely
to be the base for the next generation of operating systems. We just
have to get used to it and sooner the better.

Don't get too used to it since the Start button will be back in Windows 9.

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Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v12
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On 11/01/2014 22:57, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/11/2014 2:37 PM, Good Guy wrote:
Wise decision. I have never installed any third-party tools on Windows
8/8.1. I always opt for the latest thing because that is what is likely
to be the base for the next generation of operating systems. We just
have to get used to it and sooner the better.

Don't get too used to it since the Start button will be back in Windows 9.



I started with Widows 8 so Start button isn't a necessity for me. I
have gotten used to windows 8/8.1 so not missing Windows 7 or Windows
XP. I still have Optiplex 760 with Windows 7 and I can't upgrade it to
windows 8/8.1 because DELL hasn't got DRIVERS for Windows 8. They have
for Optiplex 790 but not for 760.

I don't know what to do now.