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On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:19:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , BillW50
writes:

Vista, and 7 too. I use them (hard to find a new one now). And if you
want a large screen docked tablet, I forget exactly what they are
called, but they are basically 17 inch and larger screen tablets with

I was going to say all-in-ones ...

docks. And they are generally meant to run as a desktop, with the
occasional short portable use.

... until you said that; all-in-ones seem to be basically giant laptops
(or tablets, I suppose if they have touch-screen), but in most cases
have done away with the portability altogether.


Except for someone who really needs to save the space it takes up, I
think buying an all-in-one is a terrible mistake. When components are
separated, and one fails, you can replace just the failed component.
With an all-in-one, you probably have to replace the entire computer.

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner
combos, for exactly the same reason.

In ,
Ken Blake typed:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:19:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , BillW50
writes:

Vista, and 7 too. I use them (hard to find a new one now). And if
you want a large screen docked tablet, I forget exactly what they
are called, but they are basically 17 inch and larger screen
tablets with

I was going to say all-in-ones ...

docks. And they are generally meant to run as a desktop, with the
occasional short portable use.

... until you said that; all-in-ones seem to be basically giant
laptops (or tablets, I suppose if they have touch-screen), but in
most cases have done away with the portability altogether.

Except for someone who really needs to save the space it takes up, I
think buying an all-in-one is a terrible mistake. When components are
separated, and one fails, you can replace just the failed component.
With an all-in-one, you probably have to replace the entire computer.

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner
combos, for exactly the same reason.

Oh man! I repair laptops and tablets all of the time. And I know some
shops won't even touch them or charge you an arm and a leg to repair
one. But I find many of them are very easy to repair. Take this Gateway
for example. They can run XP, Vista, 7, and 8, plus Linux. Thousands of
these are coming off of lease (some look brand new, some look like they
were dragged through the garbage dump), and no matter what the
condition, I can buy the like new ones for about 50 bucks apiece. And as
many as I want.

Sure the hard drive is probably missing, as well as the battery and
power supply for this price. But that is okay because you might just
need the motherboard, LCD screen, inverter or something. Or easier yet,
just add your hard drive, battery, and power supply and you are all well
again. Plus you have lots of other spare parts for the machine too now.

The only big limitation for laptops and tablets is the upgrading part.
Sure you could upgrade the drive, memory, and the optical drives are
easy enough. But not something like the video card (although my
Alienware laptops I can do this too). And most of mine the CPU can be
upgraded as well. But some laptops and tablets also have a dock option.
That allows lots of expansion options. And these are the ones I am most
interested in.

Printer/scanner combos? Yeah perhaps. But they practically give those
things away anyway. As once they virtually give one to you, they make
their money by selling you ink cartridges for it.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
[]
Except for someone who really needs to save the space it takes up, I
think buying an all-in-one is a terrible mistake. When components are
separated, and one fails, you can replace just the failed component.
With an all-in-one, you probably have to replace the entire computer.

On the whole, I agree with you, but the overall reliability of PC
components in general has improved greatly in the last few years. Also,
sometimes it gets the PC into a more-used room, allowing the person to
get over the threshold that actually gets them into using computers.
(And - though I've not looked - I suspect that components _are_
replaceable to a greater extent than you'd think, though you may have to
look harder to find ones of the right shape.)

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner

Well, though I use this (actually a large netbook) mostly here at home
(actually on my lap!), the fact that I _can_ carry it has its attraction
- when I visit friends I can take it with, which I couldn't really do
with a desktop, however compact.

combos, for exactly the same reason.

I'm more with you there - especially as it's the printer part that's
most likely to die. Though conversely, they tend to take up the same
amount of desk as either a printer or a scanner anyway (and cost about
the same as either), so maybe the disadvantages aren't that great.
Still, any inkjet printer is problematical IMO, unless used with a
continuous feed system.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

For this star a "night on the tiles" means winning at Scrabble - Kathy Lette
(on Kylie), RT 2014/1/11-17

On 2/17/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:19:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , BillW50
writes:

Vista, and 7 too. I use them (hard to find a new one now). And if
you want a large screen docked tablet, I forget exactly what they
are called, but they are basically 17 inch and larger screen
tablets with

I was going to say all-in-ones ...

docks. And they are generally meant to run as a desktop, with the
occasional short portable use.

... until you said that; all-in-ones seem to be basically giant
laptops (or tablets, I suppose if they have touch-screen), but in
most cases have done away with the portability altogether.


Except for someone who really needs to save the space it takes up, I
think buying an all-in-one is a terrible mistake. When components are
separated, and one fails, you can replace just the failed component.
With an all-in-one, you probably have to replace the entire computer.

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner
combos, for exactly the same reason.

One difference with all-in-ones is that you might not be able to open
it, whereas laptops are (usually) openable. But maybe not recent Apple
laptops, though, according to something I read somewhere recently;
sorry, I don't recall where.

I have an older all-in-one that I couldn't open. I wanted to change
something, but I couldn't pry it apart and I couldn't find any hidden
screws or extra little clippies. It felt like it was glued together...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , Mayayana
writes:
| Document Object Model. It's the object hierarchy for
| script in a webpage. The document object, parentWindow,
| etc. Each tag is an object with access to attributes
| as properties, allowing the page to respond dynamically
| to events like clicks, hovers, etc.
|
| Thanks. All Greek to me, but at least I know (for a brief interval) what
| it stands for!
|

I guess that's getting a bit OT, but here's a simple
example, for anyone who's curious. It shows how
[]
Thanks - kept for later study/tryout!
------------------


| Ah. I find ghostery makes short work of those. (I don't use them anyway:
| mainly because I'm not enrolled with FB, but also because I object to a
| system that has like but no dislike buttons.)

I'm not familiar with Ghostery. If it removes the
IFRAME that's good. But the point of their using
the IFRAME is that you don't need to click the Like
button for them to track you. You've visited their

Give it a look: according to https://www.ghostery.com/features, it can
work with Firefox, Chrome, one whose logo I don't recognise (I think
it's Safari), Opera, and IE. I don't know _how_ it works - I just like
that it blocks trackers, and I do believe that claim.
[]
| Ghostery puts its own little symbol for them.
|
Interesting. Sounds like a good design.

Have a look at https://www.ghostery.com/features (bottom of page).

| I block IFRAMES for the most part in FF by using the
| userContent.css file. So FF doesn't load them at all.
|
| (Do you know of a tutorial on doing that?)
|
You can look it up to get examples, but it's not
well documented in terms of syntax and options.
In your Application Data\Mozilla folder you'll find
a profile folder containing a "chrome" folder. In there
are userChrome.css and userContent.css. The former

Again, I've saved your post for study - thanks!

provides a way to add/remove menu items, adjust
the menu font, change the "throbber", etc. The latter
is like a master CSS file for all pages loaded. As a sample
of what you can do, here's what I use in Pale Moon:

IFRAME {display: none !important;}
NOSCRIPT {display: none !important;}
EMBED {display: none !important;}
VIDEO {display: none !important;}
MARQUEE {display: none !important;}
META {display: none !important;}
#divRawLinkBackRow {display: none;}
#sharebar_fixed {display: none;}
#sharebar_fixed_social {display: none;}
.footer_bar {display: none;}
IMG[width="1"] {display: none !important;}
IMG[width=1] {display: none !important;}
IMG[width="0"] {display: none !important;}
IMG[width=0] {display: none !important;}
IMG[src*="1x1"] {display: none !important;}
IMG[src*="0x0"] {display: none !important;}

I don't know whether blocking META actually works.
The rest should work fine in FF/PM. At the top
you can see I've blocked particular HTML tags.
In the middle are specific CSS classes and IDs
that are blocked. For instance, say you visit a page
daily that has an annoying header bar table with
a unique ID: TABLE ID="annoying-top-box" ....
You can add the following to userContent.css
to remove only that item:
#annoying-top-box {display: none;}

The IMG entries demonstrate some of the fine
tuning options possible. What you see above
blocks nearly all tracking beacon images by
blocking anything less than 2 px. The reason there
are 6 lines is because it's very specific. Frankly
I don't remember now what the * does. These
things are very arcane and I often forget them
between edits. The last two lines might have
been to block images that don't specify width. I'm
not sure.


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

For this star a "night on the tiles" means winning at Scrabble - Kathy Lette
(on Kylie), RT 2014/1/11-17

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:09:48 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
[]
Except for someone who really needs to save the space it takes up, I
think buying an all-in-one is a terrible mistake. When components are
separated, and one fails, you can replace just the failed component.
With an all-in-one, you probably have to replace the entire computer.

On the whole, I agree with you, but the overall reliability of PC
components in general has improved greatly in the last few years.


I was thinking particularly of things like the monitor failing.



Also,
sometimes it gets the PC into a more-used room, allowing the person to
get over the threshold that actually gets them into using computers.
(And - though I've not looked - I suspect that components _are_
replaceable to a greater extent than you'd think, though you may have to
look harder to find ones of the right shape.)

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner

Well, though I use this (actually a large netbook) mostly here at home
(actually on my lap!), the fact that I _can_ carry it has its attraction
- when I visit friends I can take it with, which I couldn't really do
with a desktop, however compact.


Whether you carry it on vacations, as I do, or to visit friends, as
you do, I agree. Its portability is what makes that format desirable.
But I know some people who use a laptop and never move it off their
desks, and that's what I think is a poor choice. A laptop is more
expensive than a desktop, harder to repair, most costly to buy parts
for, more vulnerable to damage from dropping, more vulnerable to
theft, etc. If you want to carry it around (for any reason), fine.
Otherwise it's a poor choice.



combos, for exactly the same reason.

I'm more with you there - especially as it's the printer part that's
most likely to die. Though conversely, they tend to take up the same
amount of desk as either a printer or a scanner anyway (and cost about
the same as either), so maybe the disadvantages aren't that great.
Still, any inkjet printer is problematical IMO, unless used with a
continuous feed system.



Yep, and I don't use an inkjet. I greatly prefer a laser printer.

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:09:48 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
[]
On the whole, I agree with you, but the overall reliability of PC
components in general has improved greatly in the last few years.


I was thinking particularly of things like the monitor failing.

Yes, I agree that would do for an all-in-one. Assuming it wasn't
repairable such as just the backlight.


Also,
sometimes it gets the PC into a more-used room, allowing the person to
get over the threshold that actually gets them into using computers.
(And - though I've not looked - I suspect that components _are_
replaceable to a greater extent than you'd think, though you may have to
look harder to find ones of the right shape.)

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner

Well, though I use this (actually a large netbook) mostly here at home
(actually on my lap!), the fact that I _can_ carry it has its attraction
- when I visit friends I can take it with, which I couldn't really do
with a desktop, however compact.


Whether you carry it on vacations, as I do, or to visit friends, as
you do, I agree. Its portability is what makes that format desirable.
But I know some people who use a laptop and never move it off their
desks, and that's what I think is a poor choice. A laptop is more
expensive than a desktop, harder to repair, most costly to buy parts
for, more vulnerable to damage from dropping, more vulnerable to
theft, etc. If you want to carry it around (for any reason), fine.
Otherwise it's a poor choice.

All those are true. The fact remains, though, that laptops (and all in
ones) are less "threatening" for a lot of people. Remember you and I
like playing with computers anyway, just for themselves as well as what
they can do for us (like accessing the web); for a lot of people,
especially the elderly* and other groups who might find computers
intimidating, a laptop (or AI1) is less so, to the extent that they
might use it enough to realise how useful it is. I've known too many
people who are sort of afraid of their computer - it sits in a separate
room, and using it is an occasion/performance.


combos, for exactly the same reason.

I'm more with you there - especially as it's the printer part that's
most likely to die. Though conversely, they tend to take up the same
amount of desk as either a printer or a scanner anyway (and cost about
the same as either), so maybe the disadvantages aren't that great.
Still, any inkjet printer is problematical IMO, unless used with a
continuous feed system.



Yep, and I don't use an inkjet. I greatly prefer a laser printer.

My next will probably be a laser too.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The thing that impresses me most about America is the way parents obey their
children." - Duke of Windsor

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/17/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:19:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , BillW50
writes:

Vista, and 7 too. I use them (hard to find a new one now). And if
you want a large screen docked tablet, I forget exactly what they
are called, but they are basically 17 inch and larger screen
tablets with

I was going to say all-in-ones ...

docks. And they are generally meant to run as a desktop, with the
occasional short portable use.

... until you said that; all-in-ones seem to be basically giant
laptops (or tablets, I suppose if they have touch-screen), but in
most cases have done away with the portability altogether.


Except for someone who really needs to save the space it takes up, I
think buying an all-in-one is a terrible mistake. When components are
separated, and one fails, you can replace just the failed component.
With an all-in-one, you probably have to replace the entire computer.

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner
combos, for exactly the same reason.

One difference with all-in-ones is that you might not be able to open
it, whereas laptops are (usually) openable. But maybe not recent Apple
laptops, though, according to something I read somewhere recently;
sorry, I don't recall where.

I have an older all-in-one that I couldn't open. I wanted to change
something, but I couldn't pry it apart and I couldn't find any hidden
screws or extra little clippies. It felt like it was glued together...


I worked on an all-in-one, and it used compression tabs all
around the perimeter. The trick was, not to leave marks all
over it, while easing it open. They couldn't of course, just
rely on the also-present screws, to hold it together. Not
enough "fun factor". I had to open it several times,
to remove defective RAM and add more. And also to
add a cooling fan for the poor Northbridge (surface
temperature 75C, with the unit open).

Another adventure, was my computer speakers.

My computer speakers were glued, and when I needed to
get the one open that had the amp inside, I used a saw.
Still looks good... for something with a big saw hole
in the top :-) Still works good, after all these years.
Had to fix a cold solder joint inside.

Paul

Ken Blake has written on 2/17/2014 5:36 PM:

I was thinking particularly of things like the monitor failing.

When was the last time you saw a failed monitor?

Yep, and I don't use an inkjet. I greatly prefer a laser printer.


Too expensive for me. :-) Do you have a separate scanner and fax?

Gene E. Bloch has written on 2/17/2014 5:19 PM:

One difference with all-in-ones is that you might not be able to open
it, whereas laptops are (usually) openable. But maybe not recent Apple
laptops, though, according to something I read somewhere recently;
sorry, I don't recall where.

I have an older all-in-one that I couldn't open. I wanted to change
something, but I couldn't pry it apart and I couldn't find any hidden
screws or extra little clippies. It felt like it was glued together...

Modern ones are "openable". At least the ones from HP and Lenovo are.

In ,
Paul typed:
I worked on an all-in-one, and it used compression tabs all
around the perimeter. The trick was, not to leave marks all
over it, while easing it open.

There is a special plastic tool that doesn't leave any marks to pop them
open. I forget what the technical term for them is, but I call them as
plastic pry bars, as that is what they look like. Although unlike a pry
bar, they usually have like a 45 degree hook on them. They are common
with cell phone tool kits and such.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

On 2/17/2014, Paul posted:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/17/2014, Ken Blake posted:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:19:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , BillW50
writes:

Vista, and 7 too. I use them (hard to find a new one now). And
if you want a large screen docked tablet, I forget exactly what
they are called, but they are basically 17 inch and larger
screen tablets with

I was going to say all-in-ones ...

docks. And they are generally meant to run as a desktop, with
the occasional short portable use.

... until you said that; all-in-ones seem to be basically giant
laptops (or tablets, I suppose if they have touch-screen), but
in most cases have done away with the portability altogether.


Except for someone who really needs to save the space it takes up,
I
think buying an all-in-one is a terrible mistake. When components
are
separated, and one fails, you can replace just the failed
component.
With an all-in-one, you probably have to replace the entire
computer.

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one
printer/scanner
combos, for exactly the same reason.

One difference with all-in-ones is that you might not be able to
open it, whereas laptops are (usually) openable. But maybe not
recent Apple laptops, though, according to something I read
somewhere recently; sorry, I don't recall where.

I have an older all-in-one that I couldn't open. I wanted to change
something, but I couldn't pry it apart and I couldn't find any
hidden screws or extra little clippies. It felt like it was glued
together...


I worked on an all-in-one, and it used compression tabs all
around the perimeter. The trick was, not to leave marks all
over it, while easing it open. They couldn't of course, just
rely on the also-present screws, to hold it together. Not
enough "fun factor". I had to open it several times,
to remove defective RAM and add more. And also to
add a cooling fan for the poor Northbridge (surface
temperature 75C, with the unit open).

Another adventure, was my computer speakers.

My computer speakers were glued, and when I needed to
get the one open that had the amp inside, I used a saw.
Still looks good... for something with a big saw hole
in the top :-) Still works good, after all these years.
Had to fix a cold solder joint inside.

Paul

You call them compression tabs, I call them clippies; let's Karl the
whole thing Orff. :-)

I decided not to use a saw or Dremel on the all-in-one. Or even a
solvent, for that matter.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:03:46 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:09:48 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
[]
On the whole, I agree with you, but the overall reliability of PC
components in general has improved greatly in the last few years.


I was thinking particularly of things like the monitor failing.

Yes, I agree that would do for an all-in-one. Assuming it wasn't
repairable such as just the backlight.


Also,
sometimes it gets the PC into a more-used room, allowing the person to
get over the threshold that actually gets them into using computers.
(And - though I've not looked - I suspect that components _are_
replaceable to a greater extent than you'd think, though you may have to
look harder to find ones of the right shape.)

I feel the same way about laptops, unless the laptop is used for
traveling. And I feel the same way about all-in-one printer/scanner

Well, though I use this (actually a large netbook) mostly here at home
(actually on my lap!), the fact that I _can_ carry it has its attraction
- when I visit friends I can take it with, which I couldn't really do
with a desktop, however compact.


Whether you carry it on vacations, as I do, or to visit friends, as
you do, I agree. Its portability is what makes that format desirable.
But I know some people who use a laptop and never move it off their
desks, and that's what I think is a poor choice. A laptop is more
expensive than a desktop, harder to repair, most costly to buy parts
for, more vulnerable to damage from dropping, more vulnerable to
theft, etc. If you want to carry it around (for any reason), fine.
Otherwise it's a poor choice.

All those are true. The fact remains, though, that laptops (and all in
ones) are less "threatening" for a lot of people. Remember you and I
like playing with computers anyway, just for themselves as well as what
they can do for us (like accessing the web); for a lot of people,
especially the elderly* and other groups who might find computers
intimidating, a laptop (or AI1) is less so, to the extent that they
might use it enough to realise how useful it is. I've known too many
people who are sort of afraid of their computer - it sits in a separate
room, and using it is an occasion/performance.


Yes, I know lots of people like that too. But I'm not so sure that
they like an all-in-one better than a regular desktop.

Gene E. Bloch wrote:


You call them compression tabs, I call them clippies; let's Karl the
whole thing Orff. :-)

I decided not to use a saw or Dremel on the all-in-one. Or even a
solvent, for that matter.


If you drink the solvent, you'll find that just
about any tool will "open" it :-)

Paul

On 2/17/2014, Paul posted:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:


You call them compression tabs, I call them clippies; let's Karl
the whole thing Orff. :-)

I decided not to use a saw or Dremel on the all-in-one. Or even a
solvent, for that matter.


If you drink the solvent, you'll find that just
about any tool will "open" it :-)

Paul

Gee, Paul, you make troubleshooting sound like FUN!

Which solvent do you think is best?

Thanks for the new perspective :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)