Windows 8.1

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows 8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:19:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows
8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

It should be possible to make a system image of your 8.1 install using the
built in tools that come with Win8.1.

Try this. Press the winkey+c on your keyboardclick on searchtype "file
history"click on the file history folder. It should be the first one in
the list.click on "system image backup" in the lower left hand corner.

From there it should give you the option to save to an HDD or burn to disk
or even save your image to a network location.

wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:19:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows
8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

It should be possible to make a system image of your 8.1 install using the
built in tools that come with Win8.1.

Try this. Press the winkey+c on your keyboardclick on searchtype "file
history"click on the file history folder. It should be the first one in
the list.click on "system image backup" in the lower left hand corner.

From there it should give you the option to save to an HDD or burn to disk
or even save your image to a network location.

DVDs are supposed to be free for the download.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Click the Create Media button, to get mediacreationtool.exe (1,483,336 bytes)

When you run it, this is one of the dialogs.

http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclub...01-400x315.png

That should give you a 3.5GB ISO for the x64 case.

Note that, the Microsoft tools tend to have dependencies on
which machine you run that from. If you run that
from your Win8 x64 machine, chances are you'll get
the x64 DVD. If you needed the x32 DVD, maybe you'd have
to switch machines (give it the key from the actual install
machine), and then give it a go. I've never used this
tool, as I got my DVD set from a "previous adventure" at
the Microsoft Store.

*******

If the built-in Windows backup tool doesn't seem to be
present, try this from an administrator command prompt.
Or, if your user account is a member of the "backup group",
that should give sufficient rights to make a backup.

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -allCritical -quiet

That will back up C: and System Reserved partitions if they
are present, and place a new folder on the F: drive. The new
folder will contain a .vhd file per partition. If you
repeat the operation a second time, it will overright the
first backup set. If you "move" the folder out of the way,
to avoid overwrite, a second attempt can then give you a
second set of files.

And that's for cases where the GUI is missing, but the
underlying wbadmin is still available.

Paul

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows 8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

OEM or Retail version of Windows 8.0 ?



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 4/27/2015 1:53 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows
8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

OEM or Retail version of Windows 8.0 ?



Pre installed by manufacturer on Toshiba Laptop.

On 2015-04-26 8:19 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows 8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

Your laptop will allow you to restore the operating system which was
present on your machine at the time of purchase. If that was Windows 8,
that's what you'll restore. However, it should be noted that you can
essentially restore your system to a clean slate without having to
reinstall anything. You just have to navigate to the top-right corner of
your screen, click on Settings and then Change PC Settings. From there,
there's an option for Update and Recovery. Inside of its Recovery
feature, you can restore everything without affecting files or really
start from scratch. These features will allow you to keep Windows 8.1.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

Keith Nuttle wrote on 4/26/2015 8:19 PM:
Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows 8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be the original OS Window 8, and if I had to
reinstall I would have to go through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1 installation disks

My first suggestion is to just use something like Macrium Reflect Free and make an image. If the drive dies, you just
replace it an drop the image on the new drive and your back working. There are several other imaging options around.

I have the windows 8.0 version with a key for it. I've since upgraded to windows 8.1. I found a link that explains
how to take the 8.1 install DVD and if you edit one file, it allows you to load without giving a key (cause your 8.0 key
is invalid for 8.1 install) but then once you have installed 8.1 you can activate it with your 8.0 key. I've done it.
http://www.howtogeek.com/187525/how-...windows-8-key/

Other links that might help you:
http://www.eightforums.com/windows-8...tion-tool.html
http://www.howtogeek.com/167984/how-...n-windows-8.1/
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-...recovery-disk/

All of these links may be a bit long winded. The first link and the modification of the ei.cfg file is the method I
used.

On 2015-04-27 1:02 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:41:50 -0400, Slimer wrote:

On 2015-04-26 8:19 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows 8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

Your laptop will allow you to restore the operating system which was
present on your machine at the time of purchase. If that was Windows 8,
that's what you'll restore. However, it should be noted that you can
essentially restore your system to a clean slate without having to
reinstall anything. You just have to navigate to the top-right corner of
your screen, click on Settings and then Change PC Settings. From there,
there's an option for Update and Recovery. Inside of its Recovery
feature, you can restore everything without affecting files or really
start from scratch. These features will allow you to keep Windows 8.1.

If you updated to 8.1 through the Windows Store, the restore "any thing"
is broken.

The desktop I gave away required you to upgrade from the Store but this
laptop, from what I can tell, did so through Windows Update. When did
the process change?


--
Slimer
Encrypt.

On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 22:59:03 -0400, Paul wrote:

wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:19:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows
8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the
laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would
be the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to
go through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

It should be possible to make a system image of your 8.1 install using
the built in tools that come with Win8.1.

Try this. Press the winkey+c on your keyboardclick on searchtype
"file history"click on the file history folder. It should be the
first one in the list.click on "system image backup" in the lower left
hand corner.

From there it should give you the option to save to an HDD or burn to
disk or even save your image to a network location.

DVDs are supposed to be free for the download.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Click the Create Media button, to get mediacreationtool.exe (1,483,336
bytes)

When you run it, this is one of the dialogs.

http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclub...om/wp-content/
uploads/2014/11/InstallationMedia01-400x315.png

That should give you a 3.5GB ISO for the x64 case.

Note that, the Microsoft tools tend to have dependencies on which
machine you run that from. If you run that from your Win8 x64 machine,
chances are you'll get the x64 DVD. If you needed the x32 DVD, maybe
you'd have to switch machines (give it the key from the actual install
machine), and then give it a go. I've never used this tool, as I got my
DVD set from a "previous adventure" at the Microsoft Store.

*******

If the built-in Windows backup tool doesn't seem to be present, try this
from an administrator command prompt.
Or, if your user account is a member of the "backup group",
that should give sufficient rights to make a backup.

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -allCritical -quiet

That will back up C: and System Reserved partitions if they are present,
and place a new folder on the F: drive. The new folder will contain a
.vhd file per partition. If you repeat the operation a second time, it
will overright the first backup set. If you "move" the folder out of the
way,
to avoid overwrite, a second attempt can then give you a second set of
files.

And that's for cases where the GUI is missing, but the underlying
wbadmin is still available.


Paul

Yes that link does work for retail versions but I'm not sure when it comes
to OEM. I also thought that the OP was wanting to make an image after he
installed all his programs and set the OS up the way he wanted it. If
that's the case the first link you provided would only be good for a fresh
install.
Anyway it doesn't matter. It's doubtful the OP will be back or even try
any of the suggestions we provided.

wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 22:59:03 -0400, Paul wrote:

wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:19:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows
8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the
laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would
be the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to
go through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks
It should be possible to make a system image of your 8.1 install using
the built in tools that come with Win8.1.

Try this. Press the winkey+c on your keyboardclick on searchtype
"file history"click on the file history folder. It should be the
first one in the list.click on "system image backup" in the lower left
hand corner.

From there it should give you the option to save to an HDD or burn to
disk or even save your image to a network location.
DVDs are supposed to be free for the download.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Click the Create Media button, to get mediacreationtool.exe (1,483,336
bytes)

When you run it, this is one of the dialogs.

http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclub...om/wp-content/
uploads/2014/11/InstallationMedia01-400x315.png
That should give you a 3.5GB ISO for the x64 case.

Note that, the Microsoft tools tend to have dependencies on which
machine you run that from. If you run that from your Win8 x64 machine,
chances are you'll get the x64 DVD. If you needed the x32 DVD, maybe
you'd have to switch machines (give it the key from the actual install
machine), and then give it a go. I've never used this tool, as I got my
DVD set from a "previous adventure" at the Microsoft Store.

*******

If the built-in Windows backup tool doesn't seem to be present, try this
from an administrator command prompt.
Or, if your user account is a member of the "backup group",
that should give sufficient rights to make a backup.

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -allCritical -quiet

That will back up C: and System Reserved partitions if they are present,
and place a new folder on the F: drive. The new folder will contain a
.vhd file per partition. If you repeat the operation a second time, it
will overright the first backup set. If you "move" the folder out of the
way,
to avoid overwrite, a second attempt can then give you a second set of
files.

And that's for cases where the GUI is missing, but the underlying
wbadmin is still available.

Paul

Yes that link does work for retail versions but I'm not sure when it comes
to OEM.

I've used retail to replace OEM before, and it'll work
as long as you're not trying to "promote" yourself. You
need to use the same version. I did it on my Windows 7 laptop,
and had to do phone activation. But it still worked. AFAIK,
Windows 8 is smoother, for OEM to Retail (because of an actual
license key in the BIOS).

Paul

Keith Nuttle wrote:

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows 8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

you can download 8.1 from here

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/downloads

As long as you have a win8 cd key you can use that
to install win 8.1.

On 4/27/2015 9:30 PM, wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 22:59:03 -0400, Paul wrote:

wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:19:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows
8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the
laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would
be the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to
go through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

It should be possible to make a system image of your 8.1 install using
the built in tools that come with Win8.1.

Try this. Press the winkey+c on your keyboardclick on searchtype
"file history"click on the file history folder. It should be the
first one in the list.click on "system image backup" in the lower left
hand corner.

From there it should give you the option to save to an HDD or burn to
disk or even save your image to a network location.

DVDs are supposed to be free for the download.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Click the Create Media button, to get mediacreationtool.exe (1,483,336
bytes)

When you run it, this is one of the dialogs.

http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclub...om/wp-content/
uploads/2014/11/InstallationMedia01-400x315.png

That should give you a 3.5GB ISO for the x64 case.

Note that, the Microsoft tools tend to have dependencies on which
machine you run that from. If you run that from your Win8 x64 machine,
chances are you'll get the x64 DVD. If you needed the x32 DVD, maybe
you'd have to switch machines (give it the key from the actual install
machine), and then give it a go. I've never used this tool, as I got my
DVD set from a "previous adventure" at the Microsoft Store.

*******

If the built-in Windows backup tool doesn't seem to be present, try this
from an administrator command prompt.
Or, if your user account is a member of the "backup group",
that should give sufficient rights to make a backup.

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -allCritical -quiet

That will back up C: and System Reserved partitions if they are present,
and place a new folder on the F: drive. The new folder will contain a
.vhd file per partition. If you repeat the operation a second time, it
will overright the first backup set. If you "move" the folder out of the
way,
to avoid overwrite, a second attempt can then give you a second set of
files.

And that's for cases where the GUI is missing, but the underlying
wbadmin is still available.


Paul

Yes that link does work for retail versions but I'm not sure when it comes
to OEM. I also thought that the OP was wanting to make an image after he
installed all his programs and set the OS up the way he wanted it. If
that's the case the first link you provided would only be good for a fresh
install.
Anyway it doesn't matter. It's doubtful the OP will be back or even try
any of the suggestions we provided.

OP: The OP was asking if there was a way to create Windows 8.1
installation Disk from an OEM Windows 8 installation on a Toshiba laptop
that had been upgraded to Windows 8.1.

From what I am hearing I can create a disk image of the 8.1 disk, but
no there is no way to create an 8.1 installation disk from an up graded
OEM 8.1.

I realize that I can restore the computer to 8 and then upgrade to 8.1.
I have did this many times with Windows XP to get to SP3.

Keith Nuttle wrote:

OP: The OP was asking if there was a way to create Windows 8.1
installation Disk from an OEM Windows 8 installation on a Toshiba
laptop that had been upgraded to Windows 8.1.

From what I am hearing I can create a disk image of the 8.1 disk, but
no there is no way to create an 8.1 installation disk from an up
graded OEM 8.1.

Once you have upgraded from 88.1 you can make an image. Although that
image is not a stand alone install disk it will function as one when it is
restored via whatever program made it since it will overwrite whatever is on
the drive to which it is restored.

To restore it, you should have an external device which has been made
bootable by the program that was used in imaging; doing so assures you wil
have access to the non-Windows version of the program which will let you
select and restore the image. Good idea to have the image on that external
device too in case the drive to which you want to restore is FUBAR.

Once you have those things, the original Toshiba recovery partitions on your
HDD are superfluous. Personally, I'd still keep them in case I wanted to go
back to Win8.

I realize that I can restore the computer to 8 and then upgrade to
8.1. I have did this many times with Windows XP to get to SP3.

It would have been simpler to just make an XP install disk that already had
SP3 incorporated into it.

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Keith Nuttle wrote:
Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows 8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would be
the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to go
through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

MSFT provides, free of charge two methods

1. Create Refresh and Reset Media
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

2. Create Windows 8.1 Installation Media
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Number 2 works with an 8.1 or 8.0 Product key. Ensure you choose the
correct language, version and architecture.

Note: "If you’re not running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, you’ll need to
enter a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product key. You'll also need a product
key if you're running Windows 8 and trying to install Windows 8.1 Pro."

Also, if your product key is OEM which was 'married' to your firmware,
it may not be necessary to provide a product key.



--
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msft mvp consumer apps

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 4/27/2015 9:30 PM, wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 22:59:03 -0400, Paul wrote:

wg_2002 wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:19:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Has anything changed about the creation of system backups for Windows
8.1?

My laptop came with Windows 8. When 8.1 came out I upgraded the
laptop.

At that time I did not create the installation disk.

When I upgraded to Windows 8.1 I was told the installation disk would
be the original OS Window 8, and if I had to reinstall I would have to
go through the Windows 8.1 update again.

Is that still true, or has Microsoft fixed it so you make Windows 8.1
installation disks

It should be possible to make a system image of your 8.1 install using
the built in tools that come with Win8.1.

Try this. Press the winkey+c on your keyboardclick on searchtype
"file history"click on the file history folder. It should be the
first one in the list.click on "system image backup" in the lower left
hand corner.

From there it should give you the option to save to an HDD or burn to
disk or even save your image to a network location.

DVDs are supposed to be free for the download.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media

Click the Create Media button, to get mediacreationtool.exe (1,483,336
bytes)

When you run it, this is one of the dialogs.

http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclub...om/wp-content/
uploads/2014/11/InstallationMedia01-400x315.png

That should give you a 3.5GB ISO for the x64 case.

Note that, the Microsoft tools tend to have dependencies on which
machine you run that from. If you run that from your Win8 x64 machine,
chances are you'll get the x64 DVD. If you needed the x32 DVD, maybe
you'd have to switch machines (give it the key from the actual install
machine), and then give it a go. I've never used this tool, as I got my
DVD set from a "previous adventure" at the Microsoft Store.

*******

If the built-in Windows backup tool doesn't seem to be present, try this
from an administrator command prompt.
Or, if your user account is a member of the "backup group",
that should give sufficient rights to make a backup.

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:F: -allCritical -quiet

That will back up C: and System Reserved partitions if they are present,
and place a new folder on the F: drive. The new folder will contain a
.vhd file per partition. If you repeat the operation a second time, it
will overright the first backup set. If you "move" the folder out of the
way,
to avoid overwrite, a second attempt can then give you a second set of
files.

And that's for cases where the GUI is missing, but the underlying
wbadmin is still available.


Paul

Yes that link does work for retail versions but I'm not sure when it
comes
to OEM. I also thought that the OP was wanting to make an image after he
installed all his programs and set the OS up the way he wanted it. If
that's the case the first link you provided would only be good for a
fresh
install.
Anyway it doesn't matter. It's doubtful the OP will be back or even try
any of the suggestions we provided.

OP: The OP was asking if there was a way to create Windows 8.1
installation Disk from an OEM Windows 8 installation on a Toshiba laptop
that had been upgraded to Windows 8.1.

From what I am hearing I can create a disk image of the 8.1 disk, but
no there is no way to create an 8.1 installation disk from an up graded
OEM 8.1.

I realize that I can restore the computer to 8 and then upgrade to 8.1.
I have did this many times with Windows XP to get to SP3.

I keep stuff in sets here.

Say I do the following:

1) Have a Windows 8.0 laptop. Want to start over.
2) Follow the "Factory Restore" procedure, to put back OEM Windows 8.0.
3) Take my freshly downliaded 8.1 DVD, run "setup.exe" off the DVD.
Do an Upgrade Install of Windows 8.1. This brings the OS up to 8.1.
The OEM cruft would be preserved (Zynga games).
4) I keep a couple of "rollup" folders. These are major updates
(around 500MB of files). I visited the Microsoft site, entered the
KB numbers, and collected a set of installation files. I keep these
for patching without using Windows Update.

Windows8.1-KB2990532-x64__Update2.msu 1,744 KB Aug.13/2014
Windows8.1-KB2975719-x64__Update2.msu 173,350 KB


Windows8.1-KB3014442-x64.msu 12,050 KB Nov.21/2014
Windows8.1-KB3003057-x64.msu 52,700 KB
Windows8.1-KB3000850-x64.msu 728,186 KB

I also have a cryptic note in my log file, but I don't see the
files, which implies I must have done this via Windows Update
or something. Or, the files are only on the Win8 disk (not
connected at the moment).

8.1.1 update
# These KB's must be installed in the following order:
KB2919442, KB2919355, KB2932046,
KB2937592, KB2938439, and KB2934018.

# KB2919442 is a prerequisite for Windows 8.1 Update
and should be installed before attempting to install
KB2919355

5) After all that sort of stuff is run, then I go to Windows
Update for another hundred or so (small ones). Could be
another 500MB in total, who knows.

I can find some references here to rollup packages.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...r-2012-r2.aspx

Try to keep copies of the big stuff, to avoid
downloading them over and over again.

Another option would be to run WSUSoffline software,
and "collect" everything necessary. I've used my
WSUSoffline collection for WinXP, to bring a WinXP
test install up to date. As an example. The most
recent version of WSUSoffline has WinXP references
removed, so it's only for more modern OSes now.

http://wsusoffline.net/

That uses Microsoft manifest files, and all the
downloads are done from Microsoft servers. You could
probably run a tool like that from a WinXP machine
and collect updates for Windows 8 using the handy
tick boxes in the tool. I'm sure the collection
for Windows 8 would be *huge*, but I expect you knew
that :-)

HTH,
Paul