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Old December 18th 15, 02:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I have two old but fast Win XP pro laptops that have a MMC (or whatever
you call it port.) looks like you can slide in a small deck of cards.
Two connectors internally. Two ejector buttons.

Anybody have any experience finding and installing a module that will
actually do USB3? Yes looking for speed increase read/write to USB3 pen
drives. Any speed increase would be nice if not full USB3 speed.

Whatdayaknow?



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Old December 18th 15, 02:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Two slots
Supports Type I and Type II PC Cards and ExpressCardsTM
NOT MMC.


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Old December 18th 15, 03:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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wrote:
Two slots
Supports Type I and Type II PC Cards and ExpressCardsTM
NOT MMC.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card

For the PC Card, an adapter would
have to be bridged. It's possible the
connector may not be able to carry enough
current to handle the full USB3 spec for
VBUS power. Such a card would likely
be limited to 110MB/sec or so, best case.
I don't know my Cardbus standard all that
well, so the rates may actually be lower than
that.

+------+ +----+
Cardbus --- bridge --- PCI_Express_x1 --- USB3 --- USB3 port
chip chip
+------+ +----+

There might only have been a couple desktop
cards of this bridged-design variety. So
even on the desktop, the idea is not popular,
and costs about double what a USB3 card might.

On Expresscard, it would look like this.
The card is more likely to be missing the
correct VBUS voltage, and putting a power
converter on the card wouldn't be all that
clever (it would get warm).

+----+
PCI_Express_x1 --- USB3 --- USB3 port
chip
+----+

Such a design, may top out at around 200MB/sec,
depending on the standards version of PCI Express.
On modern laptops, I haven't seen an ExpressCard
slot in a while, but I'm sure someone still incorporates
them.

Of the latter type, I see a narrow ExpressCard USB3,
with an external adapter for more VBUS power. I could
also find a double-width design.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16839139004

The following one is ExpressCard 54. Another poorly
documented product, that looks a little too small
for proper connectors on the external interface end.
You want good mechanical properties on a USB3
connector, so it can withstand 5000 connector insertion
cycles.

http://images10.newegg.com/productim...sFVKAYe5QH.jpg

( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA4B41UZ4489 )

*******

The Cardbus version appears to be made by Munchkins.
No proper specs. Mentions a power cable, has a hole on
the side for a barrel connector, but the power cable
is not shown, there is no +5V wall adapter, and so on.
Still, it's interesting that a bridged design exists at all.
Not a lot of room for two chips, especially if bus power
needs have to be handled. No idea how fast it goes,
as it has absolutely nothing technical in the description.
No evidence it comes with a driver CD, for those
OSes where the XHCI driver is not native. So if you want
to buy this one, it's a gamble. For small electronics,
I recommend locating the drivers first, so you
won't be left with hardware that has no driver.
Even some products on Ebay have more information
than this one does.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA4SR1PN4833

Paul
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Old December 18th 15, 09:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
mike[_10_]
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On 12/17/2015 6:26 PM, Paul wrote:
wrote:
Two slots
Supports Type I and Type II PC Cards and ExpressCardsTM
NOT MMC.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_Card

For the PC Card, an adapter would
have to be bridged. It's possible the
connector may not be able to carry enough
current to handle the full USB3 spec for
VBUS power. Such a card would likely
be limited to 110MB/sec or so, best case.
I don't know my Cardbus standard all that
well, so the rates may actually be lower than
that.

+------+ +----+
Cardbus --- bridge --- PCI_Express_x1 --- USB3 --- USB3 port
chip chip
+------+ +----+

There might only have been a couple desktop
cards of this bridged-design variety. So
even on the desktop, the idea is not popular,
and costs about double what a USB3 card might.

On Expresscard, it would look like this.
The card is more likely to be missing the
correct VBUS voltage, and putting a power
converter on the card wouldn't be all that
clever (it would get warm).

+----+
PCI_Express_x1 --- USB3 --- USB3 port
chip
+----+

Such a design, may top out at around 200MB/sec,
depending on the standards version of PCI Express.
On modern laptops, I haven't seen an ExpressCard
slot in a while, but I'm sure someone still incorporates
them.

Of the latter type, I see a narrow ExpressCard USB3,
with an external adapter for more VBUS power. I could
also find a double-width design.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16839139004

The following one is ExpressCard 54. Another poorly
documented product, that looks a little too small
for proper connectors on the external interface end.
You want good mechanical properties on a USB3
connector, so it can withstand 5000 connector insertion
cycles.

http://images10.newegg.com/productim...sFVKAYe5QH.jpg


( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA4B41UZ4489 )

*******

The Cardbus version appears to be made by Munchkins.
No proper specs. Mentions a power cable, has a hole on
the side for a barrel connector, but the power cable
is not shown, there is no +5V wall adapter, and so on.
Still, it's interesting that a bridged design exists at all.
Not a lot of room for two chips, especially if bus power
needs have to be handled. No idea how fast it goes,
as it has absolutely nothing technical in the description.
No evidence it comes with a driver CD, for those
OSes where the XHCI driver is not native. So if you want
to buy this one, it's a gamble. For small electronics,
I recommend locating the drivers first, so you
won't be left with hardware that has no driver.
Even some products on Ebay have more information
than this one does.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA4SR1PN4833

Paul

I have one that looks exactly like that picture.
It's a Patriot PCUSB3EXP. No driver info anywhere.
IIRC, Patriot won't even admit that they ever sold it.
The USB connectors seem to be rugged enough. I worry more
about torquing the narrow card sideways in the wide slot
and breaking the motherboard.

Took me a LONG time to find a driver for it.

USB3-200-200A-DR-WIN-20110218\ZIP\RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-20340-Setup-x86-x64-Binary.zip

Works in windows 7.
I stuck it into a Dell Inspiron E1705 2GHz. Dual-Core.
It worked OK with a USB3 flash drive.
Don't remember the numbers, but my reaction was ho-hum.
More hassle than speed improvement. Stuck it back in the drawer.
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Old December 18th 15, 09:59 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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mike wrote:

I have one that looks exactly like that picture.
It's a Patriot PCUSB3EXP. No driver info anywhere.
IIRC, Patriot won't even admit that they ever sold it.
The USB connectors seem to be rugged enough. I worry more
about torquing the narrow card sideways in the wide slot
and breaking the motherboard.

Took me a LONG time to find a driver for it.

USB3-200-200A-DR-WIN-20110218\ZIP\RENESAS-USB3-Host-Driver-20340-Setup-x86-x64-Binary.zip


Works in windows 7.
I stuck it into a Dell Inspiron E1705 2GHz. Dual-Core.
It worked OK with a USB3 flash drive.
Don't remember the numbers, but my reaction was ho-hum.
More hassle than speed improvement. Stuck it back in the drawer.


Sometimes, it is the USB3 flash stick which is the limiting factor.
My first one would only do around 45MB/sec. It was barely better
than USB2 rates.

Paul
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Old December 18th 15, 05:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default USB3 thingy

Thanks all for the replies.

There is an mechanical adapter for some types of cards to hold them aligned.

I see that the one with external black protrusion has a hole for power
and the newegg says a power module is included.

On Amazon there is a mixed bag of customer feedback ranging from it
being junk to it works to there are no drivers provided.

Probably because laptops do not have this slot any more the mfrs just
don't want to spend the time advertising correctly and even supporting
these things.

At least on Amazon the prices are very low and maybe I will take a
chance and try.

 




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