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Dell 8200 HD problems:
I'm on pass 69 test 4 and still OK with
no errors,. Robert |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
Mark Twain wrote:
I'm on pass 69 test 4 and still OK with no errors,. Robert Test 5 is the best test. If the test is slow, you can use the interface to force it to Test 5. But by the time you receive this message, you'll probably be on Test 5 anyway. Paul |
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On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 3:56:22 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote:
Mark Twain wrote: I'm on pass 69 test 4 and still OK with no errors,. Robert Test 5 is the best test. If the test is slow, you can use the interface to force it to Test 5. But by the time you receive this message, you'll probably be on Test 5 anyway. Paul Yes,, on test 18 pass 71 so how long does this last? just curious Robert |
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Mark Twain wrote:
On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 3:56:22 AM UTC-8, Paul wrote: Mark Twain wrote: I'm on pass 69 test 4 and still OK with no errors,. Robert Test 5 is the best test. If the test is slow, you can use the interface to force it to Test 5. But by the time you receive this message, you'll probably be on Test 5 anyway. Paul Yes,, on test 18 pass 71 so how long does this last? just curious Robert It runs forever. Or until you press escape, after which it would reboot. A complete pass (pass counter = 1) is probably enough to verify no stuck-at faults. And the purpose of this test at the moment, is to see if the BIOS-type memory operations, have any reason to be upset or not. My guess is, it's not a memory problem, and more of a "BIOS discovery DMI/ESCD" type problem. ******* That still leaves the issue of why it is hanging, after booting your "recovery" IDE drive. Even if the original drive was suffering from drive-related problems, the second drive should be able to boot OK. Something else is wrong. I hope it's not a Windows activation issue, because OEM OSes shouldn't get "tipped over" like this. They're SLIC (ACPI BIOS table) based. So you've still got some sort of hardware issue, but I don't have any hints as to what it might be. ******* If you have Seagate brand hard drives, you could run "Seatools for DOS" from Seagate (download from Seagate.com site). That doesn't work on either of my new computers, and it's probably that the tool hasn't been kept up to date for all chipsets. But it might work for the 8200. Even at the best of times, it's a rather "cranky" application, so it's not high on my list. "Seatools for DOS" is a CD (ISO9660) with a copy of FreeDOS or similar, included. The CD boots, and should then list the drives connected to the Southbridge. It's actually a clever little CD, in that during the booting process, it creates a RAMdrive in memory, and extracts Seatools into the RAMdrive. One of the Seagate Seatools versions, probably the Seatools for Windows, it erased the config information on my Cypress-based USB disk enclosure, which is yet another reason why the Seagate tools bothers me. I was able to put the config information back, using another (repair) tool. Which is basically a factory tool for programming a Cypress controller. Other brands of controllers are probably not affected. (And this would be the IC on the printed circuit board inside a USB enclosure.) I didn't know I had a Cypress chip, until the instant it got erased. And then I checked :-( So during the time I'm using the Seagate Seatools, I tend to *disconnect* my USB external drive. Just in case, to be safe while testing an internal drive. http://www.seagate.com/ca/en/support...oads/seatools/ Paul |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
Of course its always moving since its
scanning but this is whats on the 8200 screen: - Meme86 + V2,01 (green box) pass 77 Pentium 4 (0.18) 1795 MHz : Test 85% L1 Cache 8K 14709 MB/s Test #7 (Random Number Sequence) L2 Cache 256K 12549 MB/s Testing 140K-511M 511M Memory 511M 1168 MB/s Pattern: Chipset Intel i850 (ECC Disabled)/FSB: 99MHz wall time cached RsvdMem MemMap Cache ECC Test Pass Errors 511M 740K e820-Std on off Std 8 0 Robert |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
I don't know if I told you or not
but I took out the 320HD since it 'seemed' it wasn't working and put the 160GB DH back in. So that's the present HD. I rebooted out of the Linux MemTest as I thought maybe I could do a System Restore if not a Mrimg but it froze again. Then tried to go into Safe Mode with Networking and again it froze. Thoughts/Suggestions? Robert |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
Mark Twain wrote:
I don't know if I told you or not but I took out the 320HD since it 'seemed' it wasn't working and put the 160GB DH back in. So that's the present HD. I rebooted out of the Linux MemTest as I thought maybe I could do a System Restore if not a Mrimg but it froze again. Then tried to go into Safe Mode with Networking and again it froze. Thoughts/Suggestions? Robert I don't know what kind of Linux CD you have. If it's a LiveCD, you can boot to the Linux OS without installing to the hard drive. If the computer is unstable, the first thing to happen, is applications "disappear". Say you boot Linux and run Firefox. The Firefox window would be there, and maybe ten seconds later it would disappear. I've tested a system here while overclocked and unstable, and that's how it behaved. Rather than just rolling over (whole OS dies), you would see started applications disappear. Eventually, the OS will tip over too. But first you see some applications disappear. Whereas with Windows, freezing or giving a BSOD are possible symptoms. We can't really tell what is going on during a freeze - there are many possible explanations. While a BSOD is a more conventional error, like a memory error, unstable processor, bad voltage on the Northbridge (Vnb), all sorts of conventional explanations. Whereas a freeze could be a power management issue, a driver issue (frozen in kernel), stuff that it's impossible to see or guess at. Since you've used two different hard drives with the OS on it, and they're likely not exactly the same, it suggests the problem is relatively independent of the OS. They probably don't have exactly the same issue, on the hard drive itself. So it's some other hardware at fault. When you boot an entirely different OS, and see the same "spectrum of faults", that's how you narrow down that it's a hardware issue. Paul |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
This is whats on the 8200 screen with
the Linux CD" Ubuntu Install Ubuntu Server Chech CD for defects Test Memory Boot from first hard disk Rescue a broken system f1 Help f2 Language f3 Keymap f4 Modes f5 Accesibility f6 Other Options (string commend) |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
Mark Twain wrote:
This is whats on the 8200 screen with the Linux CD" Ubuntu Install Ubuntu Server Chech CD for defects Test Memory Boot from first hard disk Rescue a broken system f1 Help f2 Language f3 Keymap f4 Modes f5 Accesibility f6 Other Options (string commend) OK, you *don't* want that one. That's Ubuntu Server, which installs an OS on the hard drive it finds, but is not a LiveCD. I picked this one, as it fits on a 700MB CD. At least, when I burned it here, it did. This is a 32 bit OS, with a conventional interface. I picked a CD-sized one, in case your 8200 drive doesn't handle DVDs. http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/ http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/relea...sktop-i386.iso 718,583,808 bytes = 685.3MB There are MD5SUM and SHA256 checksums at the bottom of the web page. That one boots as a LiveCD. ******* This one is larger than a CD, and would need a blank DVD. My oldest computer cannot read a DVD. http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/li...//stable/17.3/ linuxmint-17.3-mate-32bit.iso 30-Nov-2015 10:31 1G There are checksums at the bottom of the web page. I have the 64 bit version, but not the 32 bit version. Your CPU is 32 bit only, so you'd need the 32 bit one. (The 8500 could run a 32 bit or a 64 bit version.) Paul |
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I created a CD using the first
link you gave and this is what it gave me: An error occurred during a connection to groups.google.com:443 SSL received a record with an incorrect Message Authentication Code. (Error code ssl_error_bad_mac_read) I'm able to go onto FF and type Google on the command line but when I tried to login this site or any other it says Unable to connect FF can't establish a connection to the server at www.goggle.com Thoughts/Suggetions? Robert |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
I looked up the connection information:
Auto eth0 (default) Interface: Ethernet (eth0) Hardware address xxxxxx (I wasn't sure I should publish this) driver xxxxxx (the same) driver speed 11 Mb/s security none IPV4 IP Address (I didn't think you needed these) Subnet Default Route Primary DNS IPV6 Ignored Robert |
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Dell 8200 HD problems:
I don't know how but my previous message
to you was deleted and I didn't do it! Anyways,. I download the file from the first link you gave. It did go to FF but was unable to open anything because it was unable to find the servers. Robert |
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Mark Twain wrote:
I don't know how but my previous message to you was deleted and I didn't do it! Anyways,. I download the file from the first link you gave. It did go to FF but was unable to open anything because it was unable to find the servers. Robert I have a vague idea what is happening. Google groups "wraps" the URLS in USENET messages, with their own URL. https://www.google.com/.../http://ol...sktop-i386.iso If you have any active malware on the computer, it can further modify the links. It's spelled "www.google.com" not "www.goggle.com". The links on the page you read, which are wrapped, should be connecting to google. To beat this son of a bitch, I will have to resort to coded transmission. Remove the excess space characters, in the section up to the .com part. With some luck, this won't get wrapped by the google or guggle or whatever, wrapper. This is a CD-sized release. h t t p : / / o l d - r e l e a s e s . u b u n t u . c o m /releases/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso The link of a DVD-sized release would be here. Remove the excess spaces up to the .ca/ part. h t t p : / / m i r r o r . c s c l u b . u w a t e r l o o . c a /linuxmint//stable/17.3/linuxmint-17.3-mate-32bit.iso The purpose of inserting spaces, is so the Google Groups wrapper re-write feature, cannot take hold. So this is an experiment on my part, to see whether it can recognize what I've done or not. You can copy the line of text, into a fresh Firefox browser page, remove the spaces, then hit return and start the download. I hope this works, Paul |
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Mark Twain wrote:
This is whats on the 8200 screen with the Linux CD It's possible your Google Groups account is compromised. And by now, you probably can't read this... It occurs to me, I replied to your deleted message, and Google Groups won't then show it. If you entered your Google Groups account details into a phishing site, they now own your account. ******** I have a vague idea what is happening. Google groups "wraps" the URLS in USENET messages, with their own URL. https://www.google.com/.../http://ol...sktop-i386.iso If you have any active malware on the computer, it can further modify the links. It's spelled "www.google.com" not "www.goggle.com". The links on the page you read, which are wrapped, should be connecting to google. To beat this son of a bitch, I will have to resort to coded transmission. Remove the excess space characters, in the section up to the .com part. With some luck, this won't get wrapped by the google or guggle or whatever, wrapper. This is a CD-sized release. h t t p : / / o l d - r e l e a s e s . u b u n t u . c o m /releases/11.04/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso The link of a DVD-sized release would be here. Remove the excess spaces up to the .ca/ part. h t t p : / / m i r r o r . c s c l u b . u w a t e r l o o . c a /linuxmint//stable/17.3/linuxmint-17.3-mate-32bit.iso The purpose of inserting spaces, is so the Google Groups wrapper re-write feature, cannot take hold. So this is an experiment on my part, to see whether it can recognize what I've done or not. You can copy the line of text, into a fresh Firefox browser page, remove the spaces, then hit return and start the download. I hope this works, Paul |
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Paul,
Did you respond? Because on my screen it now shows 2 messages have been deleted whereas yesterday there was only 1. Something is going on here either on the site or the 8500. Robert |
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