O.T. Slow Start-up

I changed the drive letter to 'M'
which is out of sequence but I have
other drives and was thinking about
them as well.

I downloaded and installed USB Safely
Remove and removed the 2TB HD.

I then tried to reconnect the 2TB HD

http://i67.tinypic.com/rqvf4g.jpg

It shows the 2TB HD not as letter 'M'
but 'generic device' and doesn't show up
in computer management.

http://i68.tinypic.com/16gdfuc.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/16gdfuc.jpg

I'll wait for your response and will still
keep the 8500 online.

Robert

Are you suggesting to use the 2TB WD and
do a Mrimg on the 8500? (not installing it)

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I changed the drive letter to 'M'
which is out of sequence but I have
other drives and was thinking about
them as well.

I downloaded and installed USB Safely
Remove and removed the 2TB HD.

I then tried to reconnect the 2TB HD

http://i67.tinypic.com/rqvf4g.jpg

It shows the 2TB HD not as letter 'M'
but 'generic device' and doesn't show up
in computer management.

http://i68.tinypic.com/16gdfuc.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/16gdfuc.jpg

I'll wait for your response and will still
keep the 8500 online.

Robert

If the file systems don't mount, you can
just unplug it and work on it. Verify the
hard drive is fully seated in the SATA
connector. Verify the adapter power is
secure.

Paul

I can do all of that but the problem is still
the 8500 connection/startup not the 2TB Seagete
HD. That came about because I tried to install
the spare to resolve the connection issue.


So how about instead we try a Mrimg on the 8500
using the 2TB WD primary backup drive. I will
also check the sitting on the 2TB Seagate but
we need to get the 8500 straightened out.

Robert

I re-set the 2TB Seagate HD then plugged
it in the USB port and crossed my fingers:

http://i68.tinypic.com/6sdocl.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/15558ox.jpg

http://i67.tinypic.com/1zq645c.jpg

It seems to be ok

So now to the 8500 connection problem,.....

Robert

I checked for updates and downloaded
and installed (7) updates on both the
8500 and the 780. They both installed
with no problem then I had to re-start
the computers. The 780 completed
configuration while the 8500 is still
configuring.

It's now been 20 minutes and it's still
in the configuration mode.

Not sure whether it will connect on it's
own or will have to use trouble shooting
again. I still don't understand why the lag
and connection problem is happening?

I also still don't understand why the 2TB
Seagate HD spare didn't work when I
installed it yet it worked with the USB
after I reset it in the case? It should
of worked internally since I had to plug
the cables to it. I don't think I could of
mixed up the cables.

When I'm online and connected there doesn't
appear to be any problems and the 780 doesn't
have any problem connecting so it's not a ISP
connection issue it's something else.

Is there not any diagnostics we can run to
find cause?

Robert

After 28 minutes it finally finished
configuration and came up normally
with malwarebytes and I didn't have
to open the troubleshooter.

Maybe it was a problem that one of
the updates corrected?

I also uninstall the USB Safely Remove
program.

Let's just hope it doesn't take 30
minutes to logon in the future.
Otherwise, the problem still exists.

Robert

I forgot to show you that malwarebytes
was normal:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2la99hs.jpg


I'll shut down the 8500 and see what
happens tomorrow.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I forgot to show you that malwarebytes
was normal:

http://i65.tinypic.com/2la99hs.jpg


I'll shut down the 8500 and see what
happens tomorrow.

Robert

I've already hinted at the problem.

My experience to date, is the networking
problems are *not* in the network stack itself.

For example, you will find all sorts of
recipes on web sites, for the networking stack.

netsh winsock reset \___ Protocol stack reset, what troubleshooter does
netsh int ip reset /
ipconfig /release \___ Get new IP address from home router
ipconfig /renew /

arp -d * deletes host inetaddr versus mac entries ?
nbtstat -R displays current netbios connections over IP
Purges remote cache name table
nbtstat -RR Sends name release packets to WINS (winsock)

ipconfig /flushdns --- Clears DNS cache in Windows

netsh interface show interface Shows network interfaces,
incl. Eth, BT, Firewire,
loopback

netsh interface set interface "Ethernet 2" DISABLED Disable an instance
netsh interface set interface "Ethernet 2" ENABLED Turn it back on again

Now, what other junk is on the computer ?

..NET framework and libraries - many system subsystems are exposed to
.NET problems, and can be delayed starting
Firewall - can upset networking
AV Firewall - takes place of Windows firewall

I had your problem on my WinXP setup, and it's
gone now, because I did a fresh install. I tried
a Repair install, and it just wasn't removing all
the accumulated problems. I used various utilities
to try to trace down the multiple problems I was having,
but made no significant progress. When I "gave up" on
that WinXP install, is when it started throwing IRQL
BSODs when reading 20GB files or so. I couldn't
leave it like that, as it would disrupt and ruin
things like VMs while they're running (tip over
the OS inside the VM). So I had to chuck that OS
and start over. At the moment, my capabilities are
still degraded (not all software reinstalled yet).
It's not a license issue - it's complicated moving
some of this stuff properly. I'm trying not to break
anything.

Paul

So what you saying is to re-install my
OS on the 8500 but as I said they did
not provide me with a install disk.


You've hinted at what could be the problem
and we've checked NET and the HDTune and if
the broadband was the problem how is it that
it just happened yet when I do connect there
is no issue. If it was the broadband it would
be constant.


Now I can't get the 8500 to even logon

Robert




All I have is the spare HD (which should
work) because I set all of them up with
you guidance and the Mrimg files.

This is why I attempted to put in the
spare 2 TB HD but it wouldn't even work
yet it does now.

I still don't understand why one day it's
fine and the next it's all messed up?.

Here's what I did;

I switched HD again with the spare since
we proved it was OK (screenshots) but it
gave me the same response as befo

Windows Boot Manager

Windows failed to start. A recent hardware
or software change might be the cause. To
fix the problem
1 insert your Windows installation disc and
restart your computer
2. choose language settings then click 'next'
3. click 'Repair your computer'

If you do not have this disk contact your
administrator or computer manufacturer for
assistance.

Trouble is, they don't give out Installation
disks anymore.

The only thing I changed was disable the Bluetooth
Device - Personal Area Network because you said
there shouldn't be two but the other is for RFCOMM
Protocol TDI so I've enabled it again.

The malwabytes popup came on again (not good) and I
had to force it to shut off (also not good) whereas
last night after the downloads it shut off normally
with no problem. So one minute I have a problem and
then I don't?

Once connected there aren't any problems, it doesn't
make any sense because it's saying there was a connection
problem now there isn't? It just popped on after I ran the
diagnostic troubleshooter half a dozen times. Whereas
the 780 connects with no issues whatsoever.

What do you think of trying to do a Mrimg backup on
the 8500 since nothing else seems to be working?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Here's what I did;

I switched HD again with the spare since
we proved it was OK (screenshots) but it
gave me the same response as befo

Windows Boot Manager

Windows failed to start. A recent hardware
or software change might be the cause. To
fix the problem
1 insert your Windows installation disc and
restart your computer
2. choose language settings then click 'next'
3. click 'Repair your computer'

If you do not have this disk contact your
administrator or computer manufacturer for
assistance.

Trouble is, they don't give out Installation
disks anymore.

The only thing I changed was disable the Bluetooth
Device - Personal Area Network because you said
there shouldn't be two but the other is for RFCOMM
Protocol TDI so I've enabled it again.

The malwabytes popup came on again (not good) and I
had to force it to shut off (also not good) whereas
last night after the downloads it shut off normally
with no problem. So one minute I have a problem and
then I don't?

Once connected there aren't any problems, it doesn't
make any sense because it's saying there was a connection
problem now there isn't? It just popped on after I ran the
diagnostic troubleshooter half a dozen times. Whereas
the 780 connects with no issues whatsoever.

What do you think of trying to do a Mrimg backup on
the 8500 since nothing else seems to be working?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert


Advanced Boot Options : Repair your computer

Note that, there is Method 1 and Method 2,
and Method 2 has a 2b option of using a Recovery CD
as a boot disc.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2674065

This one uses boot media.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...y-options.html

Making a (non-installable) boot disc is covered in the next section.

*******

Go over to the 780. It is still working.

In Start, type

recdisc

A dialog box should pop up with the optical drive letter showing.

Insert blank media in the optical drive.

Make a recovery CD.

Pop the CD out of the 780 tray.
Take the CD over to the 8500 (broken) setup.
Boot from the CD.

Follow the recipe on this link.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...y-options.html

In particular, you should have an actual Win7 partition on
the hard drive, for the rescue CD to "log into" it.

You should end up here, and be able to do Startup Repair.

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...ry_options.jpg

The media on the 780 should work on the 8500. They're
both 64 bit installs. I cannot think of a good reason for
it to fail.

*******

The recdisc program relies on the contents of

C:\Recovery

which is not accessible by the user.

This is what is inside there.

\Recovery
\Recovery\e82b217a-1d09-11e5-ab3f-9fc820abfaeb
\Recovery\e82b217a-1d09-11e5-ab3f-9fc820abfaeb\boot.sdi
\Recovery\e82b217a-1d09-11e5-ab3f-9fc820abfaeb\Winre.wim

The CD that is made, holds the following. So recdisc
seems to add a few things to the recipe.

Volume in drive J is Repair disc Windows 7 32-bit
Volume Serial Number is A221-7531

Directory of J:\

10/12/2009 10:01 AM DIR boot
10/12/2009 10:01 AM DIR sources
10/12/2009 10:01 AM 383,562 bootmgr
1 File(s) 383,866 bytes

Directory of J:\boot

10/12/2009 10:01 AM DIR .
10/12/2009 10:01 AM DIR ..
10/12/2009 10:01 AM 262,144 bcd
10/12/2009 10:01 AM 3,170,304 boot.sdi
10/12/2009 10:01 AM 1,024 bootfix.bin
3 File(s) 3,433,880 bytes

Directory of J:\sources

10/12/2009 10:01 AM DIR .
10/12/2009 10:01 AM DIR ..
10/12/2009 10:01 AM 144,838,785 boot.wim
1 File(s) 144,839,081 bytes

The 64 bit version of the disc is a bit larger
as the WIM is a bit bigger. The total files
fit easily on a regular CD.

If the materials are not present on the 780 to make
the recovery CD, this thread covers a crazy way to
do it. You won't have the materials for that, at a
guess.

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...w7itprogeneral

You have two OEM computers with COA stickers.
Neither of which will work on the Windows 7 install media
download page. I tried using my laptop key, and it would
not work. So we've really taken a giant step backwards
when it comes to repairing computers. I sure hope "recdisc"
works!!!

Recdisc can throw two errors (at least)

1) A 0x80000000 family error, caused by the optical drive
being the wrong letter. That is supposed to be fixed.

2) A 0xC0000000 family error, caused by the choice of media.
Users could insert CD-R, CD-RW, CD+RW or whatever. Not
all media types may be supported. Based on the results
of Windows Backup not being able to burn media, a disc
which fails to work, probably needs to be Formatted.
You probably have some CD-R, give that a try.

I wish Recdisc had an ISO9660 option, but I cannot find
such an option. With an ISO9660 option, the user can then
use reliable burning programs (IMGBurn) and not depend
on half-baked Microsoft software for the burning step.

Paul

I was just about to create the
boot disc on the 780 and it gave
me this:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2nw3klx.jpg

then this came on the tool bar and
I've never seen it before.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2wch5oh.jpg

Now my 780 is messing up !!! Just
like the 8500 out of the blue. This
is nuts!


Thoughts/Suggestions
Robert

So what do I do now? Should I
still try to create a boot disc?

I haven't done a thing to the 780
to cause this.

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
So what do I do now? Should I
still try to create a boot disc?

I haven't done a thing to the 780
to cause this.

Robert

If you cannot make the CD you can try downloading a dvd.

This is a 64-bit DVD. Link is valid for 24 hours.
Your machines are 64-bit, so this might be useful.

http://software-download.microsoft.c...4b 164e1712ce

This is a 32-bit DVD. Link is valid for 24 hours.

http://software-download.microsoft.c...52 58d9b41014

The tool on this page is a link generator. I'm
still testing this. It scans clean. I generated
the two links above, so you wouldn't have to run this.

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool

The above two links are microsoft.com domain.
I want to give you a chance to use the link first,
before I try downloading it.

*******

Regarding the pictures.

2nw3klx.jpg

For this one, you're going to need to scroll down and
see if the name of the launched process is listed at all.
I suspect it is related to the second picture, but I
cannot be sure of that at the moment.

2wch5oh.jpg

Now this one is related to the fact the 780 is a "business machine"
with AMT. That means, even if the 780 is sitting crashed (no OS running,
BSOD on screen), the hardware has a feature where you can communicate
with the crashed computer and reset it. You can load software remotely,
reboot it when you want to. Later versions of the capability include
remoting a picture of the screen (for interactive help with a user or
something). The chipset on business computers, usually has the letter
Q in it, like Q45 or Q77. And the Q says it supports Management Engine.

Management Engine is a processor in the PCH (Southbridge). Firmware
for the processor, is stored in the BIOS chip. The little processor
is always running as long as +5VSB is available. (i.e. Switch off at
the back, or unplug the power plug, to ensure the machine is
completely secure.)

The tool in the picture, is this.

https://software.intel.com/en-us/art...ntel-amt-9#6.6

The Std Mgt listed in the dialog, is a subset of full AMT.

https://software.intel.com/en-us/blo...manageability/

You can check in Programs and Features and see what Intel software
is installed.

But I wouldn't panic at the moment.

If you look at this archived article, fooling around with AMT involves
BIOS passwords, and I really don't want to go there right now. This article
doesn't actually describe disabling it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20121227...2IM0000R01.htm

Now, back to work on your boot repair.

This AMT stuff can be a rainy-day project for you.

Paul