Defrag Bootup Files

In alt.windows7.general Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:10:42 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 12/29/2016 4:09 PM, XPUSER wrote:
Is there a free defragger that will defrag the files used during bootup
such that during bootup I will not hear the drive being beaten to death.
It seems to take forever to boot up and is probably because windows is
hunting for all the pieces it needs to get to the desktop.
If defragged properly it should be less violent booting up.

Applies to my dual boot Win 7 Pro and Win XP Pro desktop PC.

TIA

Windows comes with its own defragger, ever since XP, why not use that?

It defrags, but does not optimize, which is why there are so
many third party defraggers out there.

http://web.archive.org/web/201406291...fragger .html
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 02:44:49 -0600, (Ant) wrote:

In alt.windows7.general Shadow wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:10:42 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:



Windows comes with its own defragger, ever since XP, why not use that?

It defrags, but does not optimize, which is why there are so
many third party defraggers out there.

http://web.archive.org/web/201406291...fragger .html
[]'s

Archive? What happened to http://mydefrag.com/?

//It's passed on. This defragger is no more! It has ceased to
be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker.This is a late defragger.
It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If you hadn't nailed
it to archive.org it would be pushing up the daisies. It's rung down
the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-defragger//
(loosely adapted from Monty Python)
It's dead, Jim !
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:53:22 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:31:57 -0600, wrote:

I got a used computer on ebay with a FRESH install of XP Pro SP3.
The seller also installed on of them free "Office Suites" and a free
Anti-Virus program, (I dont recall which one), and Chrome browser.
That's all that was on the drive. That thing took literally 4 to 5
minutes to boot. I swear that was the slowest booting computer in
history.

I know it was not the office suite, or Chrome causing the problem, and
neither of them were running upon bootup. I wiped the drive, installed
XP Pro Sp3, and that same computer booted in less than one minute.

Its obvious the problem was the anti-virus bull****....

It's also obvious that you never know what else the previous owner
installed before handing the system over to you. No matter what he/she
claims to have done, I would always recommend reformatting and starting
fresh.


A very strong ditto! He had no idea how the computer has been
maintained, what has been installed incorrectly, what is missing, what
viruses and spyware there may be, etc. I wouldn't want to live with
somebody else's mistakes and problems, possibility of kiddy p0rn,
etc., and I wouldn't recommend that anyone else do so either.

Not doing a clean operating system installation with a used computer
is playing with fire.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:25:16
-0200, Shadow wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:09:12 -0800, XPUSER wrote:

Is there a free defragger that will defrag the files used during bootup
such that during bootup I will not hear the drive being beaten to death.
It seems to take forever to boot up and is probably because windows is
hunting for all the pieces it needs to get to the desktop.
If defragged properly it should be less violent booting up.

Applies to my dual boot Win 7 Pro and Win XP Pro desktop PC.

TIA

Replying to the XP side of the discussion. And old IDE HD can
indeed cause a slow startup (Mydefrag - run the "System Disk Weekly"
script), but it's a good idea to look at what services and startups
you are running.
CodeStuff Starter is a great program for examining them. Have
a look at Black Viper's web site about what services are safe to
disable.

Thanks for these sources. I'm not the OP but I will check them out.

Do you really want Google, Adobe, Microsoft, Oracle and
others sending your data at startup to "check if there is an
appropriate update" ? Probably not.

It's amazing the arrogance of all these writers that they put in these
startup programs without even asking. I had one program that checked
if there was an update every 10 minutes. Every month would have been
more than enough.

Plus the ones that load part of themselves just in case you want to use
it later.

I found Anvir. Not sure what the name means. It does a bunch of things
but the only one I really like is that it keeps track of files in the
startup folder, and if you tell it to get rid of one, you can also tell
it to get rid of it every time it gets added. Some of these programs
will re-add themselves every session if you delete them, and this
thwarts that.

I'm no expert but everything I've read, about how fast drives are even
with fragmented files, makes it seem like fragmentation is not the OP's
problem, but since he asked, I also have Glary Utilities. It has a
lot of parts and I can't remember them and I never use them, but one
part it has is an entry in the right-click menu in your file manager for
Glary Defrag, for one program or one directory at a time. Any
directory. OOPs, I take that back. The entry is in every context menu
but I finally tried it, in the OP's honor, and it points to the whole
drive, when I thought it would just do one file. It analysed my 85gigs
in just a minute or two and said that I am 0.61% fragmented. So I'm not
going to defrag, but it has a map with 7 colors, and it has an optimize
option.

Do you want to pre-load your Office Software "so it's faster
when you eventually use it" ? No ....
Do you really want Remote Desktop activated, do you use
Scheduler, do you want M$ checking if all your private videos are DRM
compatible ?
Disable the non-essential.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mydefrag

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/S.../Starter.shtml

Black Viper is down, ATM, but there is a table he

http://www.majorgeeks.com/content/pa...iguration.html

Which might help.
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Wow !
I downloaded MyDefrag v4.3.1

I ran "System Disk Daily" on C: of my Win XP Pro partition.

The PC boots with NO disk head noise and completes boot to desktop in
about 20 seconds (that's including Log In less my typing time).

What a significant improvement !!!!

Thanks !!!

On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:39:09 -0800, XPUSER wrote:

Wow !
I downloaded MyDefrag v4.3.1

I ran "System Disk Daily" on C: of my Win XP Pro partition.

The PC boots with NO disk head noise and completes boot to desktop in
about 20 seconds (that's including Log In less my typing time).

What a significant improvement !!!!

Thanks !!!

I prefer the "System Disk Weekly"
It takes longer than the one you used, but does a better job.
The monthly script is a bit of a pain, takes too long to complete.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
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On 12/30/2016 03:08 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:39:09 -0800, XPUSER wrote:

Wow !
I downloaded MyDefrag v4.3.1

I ran "System Disk Daily" on C: of my Win XP Pro partition.

The PC boots with NO disk head noise and completes boot to desktop in
about 20 seconds (that's including Log In less my typing time).

What a significant improvement !!!!

Thanks !!!

I prefer the "System Disk Weekly"
It takes longer than the one you used, but does a better job.
The monthly script is a bit of a pain, takes too long to complete.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
[]'s

When I have a dinner for 10 to cook for, I usually run the monthly, but
that's once a year. :-) Now that I have an SSD I haven't seen that
program in a long time. Kinda liked watching it clean the little dots
as it progressed. (I know... get a life!). :-)

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:39:09
-0800, XPUSER wrote:

Wow !
I downloaded MyDefrag v4.3.1

I ran "System Disk Daily" on C: of my Win XP Pro partition.

The PC boots with NO disk head noise and completes boot to desktop in
about 20 seconds (that's including Log In less my typing time).

What a significant improvement !!!!

What you really mean is, "All you cynics who said my plan wouldn't help,
Fooey on you. You're not as smart as you think" That includes me iirc.

Thanks !!!

micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:39:09
-0800, XPUSER wrote:

Wow !
I downloaded MyDefrag v4.3.1

I ran "System Disk Daily" on C: of my Win XP Pro partition.

The PC boots with NO disk head noise and completes boot to desktop in
about 20 seconds (that's including Log In less my typing time).

What a significant improvement !!!!

What you really mean is, "All you cynics who said my plan wouldn't help,
Fooey on you. You're not as smart as you think" That includes me iirc.

I'd want to understand why it did make a difference.

To start with, you'd run your defragmenter tool
in analysis mode, and see the "percentage fragmentation"
claimed in the analysis.

But just as important, you'd probably also want to
check the disk health (SMART), because it's not
a good idea to run any stressful processes on
a sick hard drive. Examples of things where you
should check health, are before using CHKDSK
or before using a defragmenter.

The defragmenter may offer an improvement in performance,
in the same way that running a copy of Spinrite might, by
re-writing flaky sectors and reducing or removing read
timeouts on bad sectors.

As for how the OS treats the disk, WinXP does actually work
behind the scenes, but I think it only works on .pf files.
It actually does some optimization on its own. I know this,
because the process failed one day, and was writing to the same
sector over and over again. And making a noise come from the
hard drive. That's how I discovered WinXP was being sneaky.

Later OSes can have regularly scheduled defragmentation. Or
in the case of an SSD on such systems, instead of a defrag,
the OS can run a re-TRIM on the SSD, to inform the SSD what
clusters aren't in usage.

There's lots you can learn from these little events,
if you plan ahead.

Another metric, would be how long it took MyDefrag to
finish the job.

Paul

On 12/29/2016 8:23 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:10:42 -0500, Yousuf Khan
wrote:
Windows comes with its own defragger, ever since XP, why not use that?

The Defrag in Win98 was a lot better.... I liked to watch it too. The
one in XP is boring.... And it always leaves gaps. I dont want gaps....

The gaps are kept there for a purpose, that's what's better for an NTFS
filesystem. No gaps is the best solution for old-fashioned FAT, but not
in NTFS. NTFS's extents are spread throughout the disk in constant-sized
segments, and the files that are placed immediately after each extent.

Yousuf Khan