Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?

On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:37:33 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft seems intent on tricking, if not outright forcing,
people into using Edge whether they want to or not.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 01:00:11 GMT, Tim wrote:

T wrote in news
On 12/1/18 7:35 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:37:33 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-01, Andy Burns wrote:
No, I've had occasions where Win10 announces that it has reset the
PDF association to Edge, immediately after I tell Sumatra to be my
default PDF reader.


That's not my experience at all. They may be intent on it, but
they certainly don't trick or force it. I never use it and I am
never tricked or forced to use it.


I see it setting Firefox, Thunderbird, PDF Readers, IrvanView,
VLC back to the default. I have to go into App settings,
Defaults and change them back. They do stay changed though.

All of those programs you listed are replacements for programs
Microsoft supplies as part of Windows. That is where the bug
lies. Once you install your replacement programs, the registry
entries are temporarily changed, but at next boot the changes are
thrown away and all are set back to Windows' programs. As for as
I know, as of yesterday, the bug has not been fixed, and there
has been no forcast as to when it will.

Nonsense.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 00:52:24 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Recently they started putting the Edge icon on the desktop to
trick people into using it. (The typical user just sees the "E"
icon.) This started happening even on PCs that had already been
set up to eliminate Edge from the user's view. (Of course it's
always on the quick-launch bar by default as well.) On several
PCs when searching for Internet Explorer I've seen Edge come up
instead. Then of course it's the default PDF reader. As others
have reported, it is not uncommon for Edge to be set back as
default for internet and PDFs after updates.

This is true, but the desktop icon is clearly labelled 'Edge'.

mechanic wrote:

Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft seems intent on tricking, if not outright forcing,
people into using Edge whether they want to or not.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

You say that like you expect to be taken seriously.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 00:52:24 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-01, Ken Blake wrote:
That's not my experience at all. They may be intent on it, but they
certainly don't trick or force it. I never use it and I am never
tricked or forced to use it.

Recently they started putting the Edge icon on the desktop to trick
people into using it. (The typical user just sees the "E" icon.) This
started happening even on PCs that had already been set up to eliminate
Edge from the user's view. (Of course it's always on the quick-launch
bar by default as well.)


Yes, but that's far from forcing it, and if you want to call it
trickery, hat's your choice, but to me if it's trickery, it's
extremely mild trickery. It very easy to remove both those icons.



On several PCs when searching for Internet Explorer
I've seen Edge come up instead.


I've never see that happen.


Then of course it's the default PDF
reader.


Yes, but being the default is far from being forcing or tricking. I
would always expect a Microsoft program to be default in any Microsoft
operating system.

Since it's so easy to change the defaults, I don't have any problem
with this.


As others have reported, it is not uncommon for Edge to be set
back as default for internet and PDFs after updates.


I've never see that happen.


Most businesses do not want to be using Edge.


Same with home users. Just a few minutes ago, I saw a statistic on the
number of computers using Edge as their browser. It was about 4%--a
very low number.


It has been a challenge
keeping it at bay, like an infectious bacillus.


It's not been a challenge at all, as far as I'm concerned. It's been
very easy. I think it's the worst of all browsers, so I never use it
and I never see it.



For that matter it's a
challenge keeping most of the obnoxious crap in Windows 10 turned off
for use in businesses. This stuff should be opt-in rather than having
to keep finding ways to opt out.



Your experience is very different from mine. I find it very easy. But
despite that, I agree with your last sentence above; it should be
opt-in.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:35:52 +0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 13:37:33 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

Microsoft seems intent on tricking, if not outright forcing,
people into using Edge whether they want to or not.

You say that like it's a bad thing.


Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree
with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible.

On 12/1/2018 2:57 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Your problem is with whatever is the software that you install that
decided to steal association without notifying the user. The last time
I ran into that was probably around 15-20 years ago with RealPlayer
(which they later fixed after lots of complaints). You sure the
offending program's installer has no custom setup choice where there
user can decide what, if any, associations that program will acquire?

Nope, the problem is with W10 thinking it knows better than me about
what apps should be associated with the filetypes. And everytime there
is a new upgrade, it resets the defaults again, an I have to go in and
reset them all over again.

Yousuf Khan

Yousuf Khan wrote:

On 12/1/2018 2:57 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Your problem is with whatever is the software that you install that
decided to steal association without notifying the user. The last time
I ran into that was probably around 15-20 years ago with RealPlayer
(which they later fixed after lots of complaints). You sure the
offending program's installer has no custom setup choice where there
user can decide what, if any, associations that program will acquire?

Nope, the problem is with W10 thinking it knows better than me about
what apps should be associated with the filetypes. And everytime there
is a new upgrade, it resets the defaults again, an I have to go in and
reset them all over again.

Yousuf Khan

That's your problem with the Windows 10 update. That is NOT what T
described. This is T's thread.

On Sun, 02 Dec 2018 08:38:17 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree
with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible.

Why?

"mechanic" wrote

| Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree
| with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible.
|
| Why?

I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man
marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use
it for specific pages and don't want to have to
switch around?

You've repeatedly said it's "the Windows 10 browser"
and defend its use. Yet it's actually used by a miniscule
number of people, despite the trickery. (Which is not
to defend Mozilla, Apple and Google. They all have their
share of trickery, albeit Mozilla doesn't approach the
sleaze of the other two.)

And how can you defend the trickery? Are you so
hot on Edge that you think people should be tricked
and lied to in order to get them to use it? If so, that
borders on religious zealotry -- converting people at
any cost.
Do you not remember that MS used such tricks in
the 90s to own browsing and had to be forced to
stop their tricks? ("Cutting off Netscape's air supply"
by pretending that IE was actually a part of the OS.)
They lost majority once people were actually presented
with a choice.
But Microsoft never stops. Monopoly maintenance
is their primary business model. Software is only the
medium they use to achieve it.

Do you really believe that the market should be run
on the basis of king-of-the-hill, where whoever gets
to the top first can force you to use only their product?
Why would you want to be under their foot? Because
you respect their treachery?

Mayayana wrote:

I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge

https://9to5google.com/2018/12/03/microsoft-chrome-based-browser

On 11/30/18 8:17 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

When I install a program that takes over certain defaults, IranView or
instance, W-Nein (W10) tells me tells me that an applications has taken
over certain defaults and they are being changed back.

Is there a way to tell W-Nien to bugger off and let the programs set the
defaults if I ask them to?Â* (It annoys me to no end having to go into
settings and reset them.)

Many thanks,
-T


Followup: the answer is "no". Mumble, Mumble ...

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:17:34 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

"mechanic" wrote

| Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree
| with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible.
|
| Why?

I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man
marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use
it for specific pages and don't want to have to
switch around?

Relief is at hand mate:
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/mi...-based-browser

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:27:53 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Mayayana wrote:

I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge

https://9to5google.com/2018/12/03/microsoft-chrome-based-browser

Stand by for a torrent of user posts bad-mouthing 'chrome' because
of the link to Google.

On 2018-12-04 7:45 a.m., mechanic wrote:
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 08:27:53 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

Mayayana wrote:

I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge

https://9to5google.com/2018/12/03/microsoft-chrome-based-browser

Stand by for a torrent of user posts bad-mouthing 'chrome' because
of the link to Google.

There is a difference between the Chrome browser and the underlying
engine that the browser uses. If Microsoft were to use the very good
engine, they could avoid integrating the "features" Google added
allowing the corporation to spy on its users.

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