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  #31  
Old December 4th 18, 03:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"mechanic" wrote

| I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man
| marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use
| it for specific pages and don't want to have to
| switch around?
|
| Relief is at hand mate:

Relief? Your posts recently seem to be very
pro-Edge. You recently complained that I wasn't
supporting it on my own site. So I'm just wondering
what it is about Edge that you like so much, given
that many people dislike it and so very few people
use it. It hasn't sounded to me like you want relief
from Edge.

It's not a personal issue to me. I don't need relief
because I haven't used a Microsoft browser online
since 2000. I *love* IE. It's quick and does amazing
things when used in scripting or for writing HTAs. I
just recently wrote an HTA version of a Bing maps
program. I marvel, every time I write an HTA, at how
versatile IE is. I just wouldn't go online with it.

I've never even seen Edge. Since MS won't make a
version that can actually install on various OSs, I
disregard it. Just as I don't know or much care about
the finer points of Apple's Safari, because I'm unlikely
to ever use it. Apple seem to know enough to make
their private browser standards-conforming in page
rendering. That's all that matters to me. (Even that
doesn't matter very much. If companies want to make
private browsers then it's up to them to make them
work. I'm not going to buy a Mac to make sure my
webpages work in Safari.)

But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good
about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.



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  #32  
Old December 4th 18, 03:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"SilverSlimer" wrote

| There is a difference between the Chrome browser and the underlying
| engine that the browser uses. If Microsoft were to use the very good
| engine, they could avoid integrating the "features" Google added
| allowing the corporation to spy on its users.
|

I was thinking about that. According to Wikipedia,
Blink is actually a group effort by several companies,
a fork of Apple's WebKit, and only a part of Chromium.
It sounds like Blink is the actual rendering engine. Using
that wouldn't necessarily have much to do with Google.
Though they could decide to cooperate with Google
(and Adobe?) to take over online surveillance and
advertising as one big mega-force.

But knowing Microsoft, my guess is that they'd go
the opposite way, adding very clever things so that they
could say, "Look. Google's browser and our browser are
the same. But ours has all this neat stuff that makes it
much better for Windows."

With Google's WebAssembly I wonder if we're at the
threshold of a new trend, where the big companies
each try to take over the Web directly. That's essentially
what they tried to do with Silverlight and Adobe AIR.
Each company was vying to base the Internet on their
own software. (Which Adobe have never stopped trying
to do with Flash and PDF.) Maybe Microsoft will customize
Blink along those lines. I don't think I even have sufficient
imagination to think of what dastardly plans they might be
cooking up. Who would have ever predicted COM in
webpages and Active Desktop, after all? Yet Bill Gates
and his buddies came up with it and used it to nearly
take over the Internet.


  #33  
Old December 4th 18, 03:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:17:34 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

"mechanic" wrote

| Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree
| with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible.
|
| Why?

I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man
marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use
it for specific pages and don't want to have to
switch around?


Relief is at hand mate:
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/mi...-based-browser


Hilarious.

"Prove you love me by taking my browser".

Won't anyone think of the telemetry ?
Thoughts and prayers for the employees.

Chromium with a Bing tie-in, with packets sent to "Vortex" for all.

Yum. COunt me in.

You know where to reach me. "You have my number." Serial number.

Paul
  #34  
Old December 4th 18, 04:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:
On 11/30/18 8:17 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

When I install a program that takes over certain defaults, IranView or
instance, W-Nein (W10) tells me tells me that an applications has
taken over certain defaults and they are being changed back.

Is there a way to tell W-Nien to bugger off and let the programs set
the defaults if I ask them to? (It annoys me to no end having to go
into settings and reset them.)

Many thanks,
-T



Followup: the answer is "no". Mumble, Mumble ...


Did you try the tools ?

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E

The idea is, a properly-formulated hash for those
protected associations, the OS should leave the
setting alone.

The only way it would screw up, is if some update
procedure "tips over" the hash value by invalidating
it somehow. In the same way that every time you
install a video driver, it resets the screen locker
to "ten minutes"...

Now, if you script those tools in Task Scheduler,
who knows how the story might turn out. You could
certainly upset a customer, if the "normal" GUI
method of changing the association, keeps getting
overridden by your script.

Paul
  #35  
Old December 5th 18, 01:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 09:13:34 -0500, Mayayana wrote:

But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good
about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.



  #36  
Old December 5th 18, 03:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote:
But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good
about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.


Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to
imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft
hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement.

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  #37  
Old December 5th 18, 03:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"mechanic" wrote

| But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good
| about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.
|
|


Twice I asked. Twice you posted a link with no
explanation. I'll assume that you really haven't
given it much thought and just arbitrarily "picked
a team".


  #38  
Old December 5th 18, 04:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:12:59 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote:
But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good
about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.


Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to
imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft
hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement.




LOL! I largely agree,
  #39  
Old December 5th 18, 05:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Roger Blake" wrote

| But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good
| about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.
|
| Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to
| imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft
| hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement.

I think some might say they cheated, as
Edge is essentially just IE with all the IE-specific
functionality broken.

I have some sympathy for them, though. They
spent years breaking everything else by making
IE incompatible, and it worked for them. But then
when they lost the monopoly due to IE security
problems, they'd already dug themselves into a
very deep hole. Super genius Billy Gates didn't see
that one coming and just kept trying to sell IE
as the ultimate browser.

For maybe the past 10 years they've been trying
to keep the IE quirks and problems while making a
half-hearted attempt at conforming to web standards.
There's a long line of IE versions that doesn't quite
work. Only their "conforming" to the quirks mode
option has made them tolerable.

Ever since about IE7 they've been the boy who
cried, "My browser works!". Now they claim total
standards conformance. And they've done exactly
what was needed: Maintain IE for corporate HTAs
and Windows shell tie-in, while having another browser
that's more secure. But they've refused to even produce
a real browser, separate from Windows. And from what
I hear it's *still* not conforming. Yet quirks mode is
disabled and they're lying with the userAgent, spoofing
it to pretend it's Firefox or Chrome. That's not a
solution. I don't trust the way they're doing it. They
obviously don't want to just make a good browser.
They want to lock in Win10 users to MS services. If
Edge succeeded I don't doubt that ActiveX redux
would be just around the corner. They'd figure out
a way to make even gmail and google search work
better in their browser for people on Windows.


  #40  
Old December 5th 18, 05:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mayayana" wrote in message
news
But [Microsoft] have refused to even produce
a real browser, separate from Windows.


I wish Microsoft would produce browsers and mail clients which were
independent of Windows version.

When I went from XP to Vista to Win 7, I had to get used to going from OE to
Windows Mail to Windows Live Mail, because you can't run an older mail
client (or new "engine" with existing "dashboard") on a version of Windows
that it was not intended for.

It's a shame also that there isn't an industry-standard way of porting
bookmarks and mail folders between (for example) IE, Edge, Firefox, Chrome,
Opera or between OE, Win Mail, Win Live Mail, Thunderbird.

I'm not talking about a one-off migration, I'm talking about regularly
synchronising bookmarks and mail folders between computers that use
different browsers / mail clients (or even between several browsers on the
same PC).

I want something where I'm in control which set of bookmarks is the master
copy and which browsers get a slave copy of the master, to avoid the
problem with cloud-shared bookmarks where if you accidentally delete/change
a bookmark on one computer, it is immediately replicated to all others that
use the same cloud account; that behaviour is no use to man nor beast. At
least if I have to manually export from master computer to JSON file, copy
it to slave and import it from JSON (which is what I do with Firefox on
various computers) I am in control and know what is happening and when.

  #41  
Old December 5th 18, 06:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/4/18 7:00 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 11/30/18 8:17 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

When I install a program that takes over certain defaults, IranView
or instance, W-Nein (W10) tells me tells me that an applications has
taken over certain defaults and they are being changed back.

Is there a way to tell W-Nien to bugger off and let the programs set
the defaults if I ask them to?Â* (It annoys me to no end having to go
into settings and reset them.)

Many thanks,
-T



Followup:Â* the answer is "no".Â* Mumble, Mumble ...


Did you try the tools ?

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E


The idea is, a properly-formulated hash for those
protected associations, the OS should leave the
setting alone.

The only way it would screw up, is if some update
procedure "tips over" the hash value by invalidating
it somehow. In the same way that every time you
install a video driver, it resets the screen locker
to "ten minutes"...

Now, if you script those tools in Task Scheduler,
who knows how the story might turn out. You could
certainly upset a customer, if the "normal" GUI
method of changing the association, keeps getting
overridden by your script.

Â*Â* Paul


Haven't tried it. I just install everything I want, then go
into default apps and change every over at once.



  #42  
Old December 5th 18, 06:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-05 9:12 a.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote:
But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good
about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.


Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to
imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft
hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement.


Hear, hear!

I completely agree.

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Old December 5th 18, 07:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote:
But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about
Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.


Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard
to imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if
Microsoft hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning
achievement.


Both IE and Edge have worked perfectly for me for many years, maybe
because I RTFM?

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Old December 5th 18, 09:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:53:40 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote:
But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about
Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much.


Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard
to imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if
Microsoft hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning
achievement.


Both IE and Edge have worked perfectly for me for many years, maybe
because I RTFM?




Although I almost never use either, I've tried both many times over
the years. My experience is much the same as yours. They have also
worked perfectly for me (or near perfectly; I don't remember any
issues, but that doesn't mean there were none).

*But* working perfectly and working in ways that you like are two very
different things. The 1956 VW Beetle that I had many years ago worked
perfectly for me for the many years I owned it. But that doesn't mean
I liked it anywhere near as much as the 2018 Toyota Camry I now own.
They vary enormously in comfort, features, safety, driveability, etc.

Working perfectly or not, I still consider Edge and IE (especially
Edge) to be two of the worst browsers available.
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Old December 5th 18, 09:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"XS11E" wrote

| Both IE and Edge have worked perfectly for me for many years, maybe
| because I RTFM?
|

That's a good one. A quick look in the security settings
turns up options like allowing meta refresh, software
channel permissions, various iframe options, "userdata"
persistence.... None of those terms are in the help. Presumably
one reads the manual in order to use the software properly.
IE has never really had a manual. They've had a help file
that scolds and coddles. Look up some of those online.
You might find info but it's unlikely to be from Microsoft.

The settings and options change with each version. And
even Windows programmers are unlikely to know about the
numerous undocumented options, like the HKLM setting that
lets you override all the settings saved by all of those 15
people who "RTFM".

You may be happy with IE and Edge, but the idea that
it's because you read the directions and no one else did
simply doesn't hold water. In fact, one of the biggest
reasons I don't use IE is because I know so much about it.

Though I originally stopped using it because an update
went south. I still haven't even managed to install IE11
on Win7-64. Nor have I ever succeeded in getting a
stable IE8 on WinXP. Microsoft makes the OS and makes
the browser. That's a ridiculous state of affairs. And of
course their Edge doesn't have an installer at all. I
guess that's good, in a way. At least it doesn't malfunction
on Win7.

I could see if you like Edge because it's never crashed,
never rendered badly, you don't care about spyware, and
you're not much bothered by security risks.
Mechanic's link lists fast starting and fast in opening
settings as big factors. I expect Edge does win on that
score. I use Pale Moon and Firefox. Both take several
seconds to load. That's partly because they're bloated.
It's also because they actually have to load. You can
set them to pre-load like IE does if you want to. IE only
needs to load the UI. The rest is already running. I expect
Edge is pretty much the same.

Personally I prefer to know how long things take to load,
rather than let them all sit in memory, pretending to be
zippy. In any case, I don't consider that a notable
factor in choosing a browser.

A lot of people seem to talk about how fast pages
render, but I can't really offer any data on that. I
rarely enable script and generally block external
images, so just about every page I see loads pretty
much instantly.


 




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