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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
"mechanic" wrote
| I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man | marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use | it for specific pages and don't want to have to | switch around? | | Relief is at hand mate: Relief? Your posts recently seem to be very pro-Edge. You recently complained that I wasn't supporting it on my own site. So I'm just wondering what it is about Edge that you like so much, given that many people dislike it and so very few people use it. It hasn't sounded to me like you want relief from Edge. It's not a personal issue to me. I don't need relief because I haven't used a Microsoft browser online since 2000. I *love* IE. It's quick and does amazing things when used in scripting or for writing HTAs. I just recently wrote an HTA version of a Bing maps program. I marvel, every time I write an HTA, at how versatile IE is. I just wouldn't go online with it. I've never even seen Edge. Since MS won't make a version that can actually install on various OSs, I disregard it. Just as I don't know or much care about the finer points of Apple's Safari, because I'm unlikely to ever use it. Apple seem to know enough to make their private browser standards-conforming in page rendering. That's all that matters to me. (Even that doesn't matter very much. If companies want to make private browsers then it's up to them to make them work. I'm not going to buy a Mac to make sure my webpages work in Safari.) But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. |
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"SilverSlimer" wrote
| There is a difference between the Chrome browser and the underlying | engine that the browser uses. If Microsoft were to use the very good | engine, they could avoid integrating the "features" Google added | allowing the corporation to spy on its users. | I was thinking about that. According to Wikipedia, Blink is actually a group effort by several companies, a fork of Apple's WebKit, and only a part of Chromium. It sounds like Blink is the actual rendering engine. Using that wouldn't necessarily have much to do with Google. Though they could decide to cooperate with Google (and Adobe?) to take over online surveillance and advertising as one big mega-force. But knowing Microsoft, my guess is that they'd go the opposite way, adding very clever things so that they could say, "Look. Google's browser and our browser are the same. But ours has all this neat stuff that makes it much better for Windows." With Google's WebAssembly I wonder if we're at the threshold of a new trend, where the big companies each try to take over the Web directly. That's essentially what they tried to do with Silverlight and Adobe AIR. Each company was vying to base the Internet on their own software. (Which Adobe have never stopped trying to do with Flash and PDF.) Maybe Microsoft will customize Blink along those lines. I don't think I even have sufficient imagination to think of what dastardly plans they might be cooking up. Who would have ever predicted COM in webpages and Active Desktop, after all? Yet Bill Gates and his buddies came up with it and used it to nearly take over the Internet. |
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mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:17:34 -0500, Mayayana wrote: "mechanic" wrote | Even though I disagree with Roger that that's what they do, I agree | with him that it's a bad thing. I think Edge is terrible. | | Why? I'm curious as to why you've become a 1-man marketing team for Edge. Do you perhaps have to use it for specific pages and don't want to have to switch around? Relief is at hand mate: https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/mi...-based-browser Hilarious. "Prove you love me by taking my browser". Won't anyone think of the telemetry ? Thoughts and prayers for the employees. Chromium with a Bing tie-in, with packets sent to "Vortex" for all. Yum. COunt me in. You know where to reach me. "You have my number." Serial number. Paul |
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On 11/30/18 8:17 PM, T wrote: Hi All, When I install a program that takes over certain defaults, IranView or instance, W-Nein (W10) tells me tells me that an applications has taken over certain defaults and they are being changed back. Is there a way to tell W-Nien to bugger off and let the programs set the defaults if I ask them to? (It annoys me to no end having to go into settings and reset them.) Many thanks, -T Followup: the answer is "no". Mumble, Mumble ... Did you try the tools ? http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E The idea is, a properly-formulated hash for those protected associations, the OS should leave the setting alone. The only way it would screw up, is if some update procedure "tips over" the hash value by invalidating it somehow. In the same way that every time you install a video driver, it resets the screen locker to "ten minutes"... Now, if you script those tools in Task Scheduler, who knows how the story might turn out. You could certainly upset a customer, if the "normal" GUI method of changing the association, keeps getting overridden by your script. Paul |
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On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote:
But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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"mechanic" wrote
| But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good | about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. | | Twice I asked. Twice you posted a link with no explanation. I'll assume that you really haven't given it much thought and just arbitrarily "picked a team". |
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:12:59 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote: On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote: But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement. LOL! I largely agree, |
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"Roger Blake" wrote
| But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good | about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. | | Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to | imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft | hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement. I think some might say they cheated, as Edge is essentially just IE with all the IE-specific functionality broken. I have some sympathy for them, though. They spent years breaking everything else by making IE incompatible, and it worked for them. But then when they lost the monopoly due to IE security problems, they'd already dug themselves into a very deep hole. Super genius Billy Gates didn't see that one coming and just kept trying to sell IE as the ultimate browser. For maybe the past 10 years they've been trying to keep the IE quirks and problems while making a half-hearted attempt at conforming to web standards. There's a long line of IE versions that doesn't quite work. Only their "conforming" to the quirks mode option has made them tolerable. Ever since about IE7 they've been the boy who cried, "My browser works!". Now they claim total standards conformance. And they've done exactly what was needed: Maintain IE for corporate HTAs and Windows shell tie-in, while having another browser that's more secure. But they've refused to even produce a real browser, separate from Windows. And from what I hear it's *still* not conforming. Yet quirks mode is disabled and they're lying with the userAgent, spoofing it to pretend it's Firefox or Chrome. That's not a solution. I don't trust the way they're doing it. They obviously don't want to just make a good browser. They want to lock in Win10 users to MS services. If Edge succeeded I don't doubt that ActiveX redux would be just around the corner. They'd figure out a way to make even gmail and google search work better in their browser for people on Windows. |
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"Mayayana" wrote in message
news But [Microsoft] have refused to even produce a real browser, separate from Windows. I wish Microsoft would produce browsers and mail clients which were independent of Windows version. When I went from XP to Vista to Win 7, I had to get used to going from OE to Windows Mail to Windows Live Mail, because you can't run an older mail client (or new "engine" with existing "dashboard") on a version of Windows that it was not intended for. It's a shame also that there isn't an industry-standard way of porting bookmarks and mail folders between (for example) IE, Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Opera or between OE, Win Mail, Win Live Mail, Thunderbird. I'm not talking about a one-off migration, I'm talking about regularly synchronising bookmarks and mail folders between computers that use different browsers / mail clients (or even between several browsers on the same PC). I want something where I'm in control which set of bookmarks is the master copy and which browsers get a slave copy of the master, to avoid the problem with cloud-shared bookmarks where if you accidentally delete/change a bookmark on one computer, it is immediately replicated to all others that use the same cloud account; that behaviour is no use to man nor beast. At least if I have to manually export from master computer to JSON file, copy it to slave and import it from JSON (which is what I do with Firefox on various computers) I am in control and know what is happening and when. |
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Is there a way to stop W10 from resetting default applications?
On 12/4/18 7:00 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 11/30/18 8:17 PM, T wrote: Hi All, When I install a program that takes over certain defaults, IranView or instance, W-Nein (W10) tells me tells me that an applications has taken over certain defaults and they are being changed back. Is there a way to tell W-Nien to bugger off and let the programs set the defaults if I ask them to?Â* (It annoys me to no end having to go into settings and reset them.) Many thanks, -T Followup:Â* the answer is "no".Â* Mumble, Mumble ... Did you try the tools ? http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E The idea is, a properly-formulated hash for those protected associations, the OS should leave the setting alone. The only way it would screw up, is if some update procedure "tips over" the hash value by invalidating it somehow. In the same way that every time you install a video driver, it resets the screen locker to "ten minutes"... Now, if you script those tools in Task Scheduler, who knows how the story might turn out. You could certainly upset a customer, if the "normal" GUI method of changing the association, keeps getting overridden by your script. Â*Â* Paul Haven't tried it. I just install everything I want, then go into default apps and change every over at once. |
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On 2018-12-05 9:12 a.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote: But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement. Hear, hear! I completely agree. -- SilverSlimer Minds: @silverslimer |
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote: But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement. Both IE and Edge have worked perfectly for me for many years, maybe because I RTFM? -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:53:40 -0700, XS11E
wrote: Roger Blake wrote: On 2018-12-04, Mayayana wrote: But I don't recall hearing anyone say anything good about Edge, so I'm curious why you like it so much. Actually, Edge is quite an accomplishment. Previously it was hard to imagine a web browser worse than Internet Explorer, but dang if Microsoft hasn't managed to go ahead and pull it off. A stunning achievement. Both IE and Edge have worked perfectly for me for many years, maybe because I RTFM? Although I almost never use either, I've tried both many times over the years. My experience is much the same as yours. They have also worked perfectly for me (or near perfectly; I don't remember any issues, but that doesn't mean there were none). *But* working perfectly and working in ways that you like are two very different things. The 1956 VW Beetle that I had many years ago worked perfectly for me for the many years I owned it. But that doesn't mean I liked it anywhere near as much as the 2018 Toyota Camry I now own. They vary enormously in comfort, features, safety, driveability, etc. Working perfectly or not, I still consider Edge and IE (especially Edge) to be two of the worst browsers available. |
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"XS11E" wrote
| Both IE and Edge have worked perfectly for me for many years, maybe | because I RTFM? | That's a good one. A quick look in the security settings turns up options like allowing meta refresh, software channel permissions, various iframe options, "userdata" persistence.... None of those terms are in the help. Presumably one reads the manual in order to use the software properly. IE has never really had a manual. They've had a help file that scolds and coddles. Look up some of those online. You might find info but it's unlikely to be from Microsoft. The settings and options change with each version. And even Windows programmers are unlikely to know about the numerous undocumented options, like the HKLM setting that lets you override all the settings saved by all of those 15 people who "RTFM". You may be happy with IE and Edge, but the idea that it's because you read the directions and no one else did simply doesn't hold water. In fact, one of the biggest reasons I don't use IE is because I know so much about it. Though I originally stopped using it because an update went south. I still haven't even managed to install IE11 on Win7-64. Nor have I ever succeeded in getting a stable IE8 on WinXP. Microsoft makes the OS and makes the browser. That's a ridiculous state of affairs. And of course their Edge doesn't have an installer at all. I guess that's good, in a way. At least it doesn't malfunction on Win7. I could see if you like Edge because it's never crashed, never rendered badly, you don't care about spyware, and you're not much bothered by security risks. Mechanic's link lists fast starting and fast in opening settings as big factors. I expect Edge does win on that score. I use Pale Moon and Firefox. Both take several seconds to load. That's partly because they're bloated. It's also because they actually have to load. You can set them to pre-load like IE does if you want to. IE only needs to load the UI. The rest is already running. I expect Edge is pretty much the same. Personally I prefer to know how long things take to load, rather than let them all sit in memory, pretending to be zippy. In any case, I don't consider that a notable factor in choosing a browser. A lot of people seem to talk about how fast pages render, but I can't really offer any data on that. I rarely enable script and generally block external images, so just about every page I see loads pretty much instantly. |
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