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I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install.
Like everyone I don't want to lose anything. Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system. The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are fine. Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files. The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds. The rest move instantly. This is after the disks have spun up. Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe. Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever. Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system. But how to do that gracefully? |
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On 1/1/2019 10:02 PM, Freelance Writer wrote:
I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install. Like everyone I don't want to lose anything. Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system. The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are fine. Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files. The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds. The rest move instantly. This is after the disks have spun up. Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe. Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever. Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system. But how to do that gracefully? You're too stupid to use a computer. Go to a nursing home and sniff dirty geriatric diapers instead. |
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Freelance Writer wrote:
I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install. Like everyone I don't want to lose anything. Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system. The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are fine. Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files. The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds. The rest move instantly. This is after the disks have spun up. Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe. Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever. Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system. But how to do that gracefully? A "Repair" install is inexpensive. Mount the Win10 installer DVD ISO file, or insert the Win10 installer DVD in the drive while Win10 is running. Execute Setup.exe on the resulting DVD device in Explorer, to kick off a Repair Install. The installer will tell you that your Programs and User Data will be preserved. The old OS will be in C:\Windows.old for ten days before it is auto-deleted. Or, you can use Cleanmgr.exe after the system comes back up, to delete the old OS. Don't delete C:\Windows.old by hand, as there are a couple very nasty file system features hiding in there that Cleanmgr knows how to deal with. You can "revert" if the installation attempt fails, and the contents of Windows.old (contains both the old OS and any removed Program Files). If the installer finds Program Files which are "not compatible" it will remove them. This normally happens on a Win7 to Win10 upgrade, rather than a Win10 to Win10 Repair Install, so for this case, *nothing* should be removed. If this fixes something, great. If not, you've only wasted an hour or two of your time. You must have sufficient disk space for this. On a 32GB tablet device, that can be a problem, and doing this to a tablet, I don't know what to tell you. ******* If you're going to do a clean install, that's much more involved. And if you actually wanted your setup precisely preserved, could cost you money (~$50 per time). Alternately you can fiddle with stuff by hand, but it could take months to get all the old programs reinstalled after a clean install. A clean install removes user files and program files, and requires Windows Update to patch the OS from 17763.1 to 17753.451 or similar. Clean installs are reserved for cases where malware has thoroughly riddled the system. ******* You can use Process Monitor, Process Explorer or the like, to trace what happens on the slow cases. You can use the limited forensic materials to take a stab at it. The older OSes had the Superfetch service which I used to disable, but I think that's been removed. Windows Defender generally isn't as bad as the problem you describe so it's probably not that. Windows Defender is annoying, and definitely does harm (reduces file I/O by a factor of seven in some cases), but there should not be a huge latency issue for every little thing you try to do. When Windows 10 introduces Containers, I expect the OS to turn into Molasses, so we have something to look forward to :-/ Containers and virtualization have already been attempted by some AV products, and I tell people to turn that off if they complain about it. Paul |
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On 1/2/19 12:05 AM, Paul wrote:
Freelance Writer wrote: I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install. Like everyone I don't want to lose anything. Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system. The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are fine. Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files. The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds. The rest move instantly. This is after the disks have spun up. Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe. Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever. Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system. But how to do that gracefully? A "Repair" install is inexpensive. Mount the Win10 installer DVD ISO file, or insert the Win10 installer DVD in the drive while Win10 is running. Execute Setup.exe on the resulting DVD device in Explorer, to kick off a Repair Install. The installer will tell you that your Programs and User Data will be preserved. The old OS will be in C:\Windows.old for ten days before it is auto-deleted. Or, you can use Cleanmgr.exe after the system comes back up, to delete the old OS. Don't delete C:\Windows.old by hand, as there are a couple very nasty file system features hiding in there that Cleanmgr knows how to deal with. You can "revert" if the installation attempt fails, and the contents of Windows.old (contains both the old OS and any removed Program Files). If the installer finds Program Files which are "not compatible" it will remove them. This normally happens on a Win7 to Win10 upgrade, rather than a Win10 to Win10 Repair Install, so for this case, *nothing* should be removed. If this fixes something, great. If not, you've only wasted an hour or two of your time. You must have sufficient disk space for this. On a 32GB tablet device, that can be a problem, and doing this to a tablet, I don't know what to tell you. ******* If you're going to do a clean install, that's much more involved. And if you actually wanted your setup precisely preserved, could cost you money (~$50 per time). Alternately you can fiddle with stuff by hand, but it could take months to get all the old programs reinstalled after a clean install. A clean install removes user files and program files, and requires Windows Update to patch the OS from 17763.1 to 17753.451 or similar. Clean installs are reserved for cases where malware has thoroughly riddled the system. ******* You can use Process Monitor, Process Explorer or the like, to trace what happens on the slow cases. You can use the limited forensic materials to take a stab at it. The older OSes had the Superfetch service which I used to disable, but I think that's been removed. Windows Defender generally isn't as bad as the problem you describe so it's probably not that. Windows Defender is annoying, and definitely does harm (reduces file I/O by a factor of seven in some cases), but there should not be a huge latency issue for every little thing you try to do. When Windows 10 introduces Containers, I expect the OS to turn into Molasses, so we have something to look forward to :-/ Containers and virtualization have already been attempted by some AV products, and I tell people to turn that off if they complain about it. Â*Â* Paul Does this type of repair install remove all the vendor bloatware? Sony Vaio? Also, if done, how many of the extra partitions can be deleted and used for C: expansion.? My wife's laptop has a lot more than the 1 reserved or UEFI. I'm almost sure it's the previous win 8 image and maybe a partition for the vendor repair program, you were able to hit some key at bootup and get the OS to launch a boot diagnostic. Al |
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Big Al wrote:
Does this type of repair install remove all the vendor bloatware? Sony Vaio? Also, if done, how many of the extra partitions can be deleted and used for C: expansion.? My wife's laptop has a lot more than the 1 reserved or UEFI. I'm almost sure it's the previous win 8 image and maybe a partition for the vendor repair program, you were able to hit some key at bootup and get the OS to launch a boot diagnostic. Al For "adventuring", I recommend starting with a spare storage device and install an OS that way. Does it work ? Is there anything special about the unit (Secure Boot perhaps) ? You're not necessarily keeping this OS install, merely "scouting the situation" and "looking for bears in the woods". It would be helpful to have proof that the unit is not booby trapped in some special way. for example, if the laptop is a business machine with a Pro SKU on it, it might have more security features (i.e. you'll be doing a repair install over top of BitLocker - the BitLocker has to be decrypted first). You can certainly try a backup followed by some bashing with a hammer and a Repair Install. That will still require storage somewhere (for the backup). And you run the risk at some point in that exercise, that something jams up on you. It depends on which you trust more. Carefully tucking the original drive away, which you know works. Or attempting backup and restore and hoping that the emergency boot CD to do a restore with, actually boots the machine. With sufficient safety measures in place, go right ahead. But do one or two practice installs first, and sneak up on it. Paul |
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On 1/2/19 8:50 AM, Paul wrote:
Big Al wrote: Does this type of repair install remove all the vendor bloatware? Sony Vaio? Also, if done, how many of the extra partitions can be deleted and used for C: expansion.?Â*Â*Â* My wife's laptop has a lot more than the 1 reserved or UEFI.Â*Â* I'm almost sure it's the previous win 8 image and maybe a partition for the vendor repair program, you were able to hit some key at bootup and get the OS to launch a boot diagnostic. Al For "adventuring", I recommend starting with a spare storage device and install an OS that way. Does it work ? Is there anything special about the unit (Secure Boot perhaps) ? You're not necessarily keeping this OS install, merely "scouting the situation" and "looking for bears in the woods". It would be helpful to have proof that the unit is not booby trapped in some special way. for example, if the laptop is a business machine with a Pro SKU on it, it might have more security features (i.e. you'll be doing a repair install over top of BitLocker - the BitLocker has to be decrypted first). You can certainly try a backup followed by some bashing with a hammer and a Repair Install. That will still require storage somewhere (for the backup). And you run the risk at some point in that exercise, that something jams up on you. It depends on which you trust more. Carefully tucking the original drive away, which you know works. Or attempting backup and restore and hoping that the emergency boot CD to do a restore with, actually boots the machine. With sufficient safety measures in place, go right ahead. But do one or two practice installs first, and sneak up on it. Â*Â* Paul Well, considering that 256 and 512 SSDs are down in mear handfull of dollars range, I'm probably going to go from a spinner to an ssd at the same time and get a 2 for 1 hit on the job. If it has to be done, I might as well do it just once. So yes, this way I can tuck the trusty spinner away in case all else fails. |
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer
wrote: I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install. Like everyone I don't want to lose anything. Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system. The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes Those sentences contradict each other. If you do a clean installation, you lose *everything*. It begins by formatting the drive. |
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer
wrote: I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install. Like everyone I don't want to lose anything. Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system. The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are fine. Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files. The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds. The rest move instantly. This is after the disks have spun up. Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe. Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever. Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system. But how to do that gracefully? Insert the install disk and reboot. |
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 15:29:56 +1100, Lucifer
wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer wrote: I can't find the problem so I just want a clean install. Like everyone I don't want to lose anything. Just a new operating system on top of the old operating system. The problem is that the first couple of times I create a file, it takes long (like twenty or thirty seconds), then the rest of the creations are fine. Same with moving files. Uploading files. Copying files. The first two or three or four take ten or twenty or thirty seconds. The rest move instantly. This is after the disks have spun up. Its related only to the "movement" of files as far as I can observe. Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever. Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system. But how to do that gracefully? Insert the install disk and reboot. Those are steps 2 and 3 for booting from an installation disk. Step 1 is check to see if your BIOS boot order is set to CD/DVD first, and if not, change it to that. |
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Ken Blake wrote in
: On Thu, 03 Jan 2019 15:29:56 +1100, Lucifer wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:02:53 -0500, Freelance Writer wrote: Perhaps I got a virus or a malware scanner or a keylogger or whatever. Simplest most obvious thing to do is wipe out the old operating system. But how to do that gracefully? Insert the install disk and reboot. Those are steps 2 and 3 for booting from an installation disk. Step 1 is check to see if your BIOS boot order is set to CD/DVD first, and if not, change it to that. Something a little less drastic: Windows-Settings-Update & Security- Recovery-Reset this PC. That will reinstall Windows without deleting any of the user accounts on the PC (unless you want to). You will still have to reinstall all of your third party apps. |
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