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Hi all,
All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta |
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Fokke Nauta wrote:
Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta I've done it on two computers and it was fast, easy and no problems except Windows 10 nuked one program I never use, an Intel monitoring program. |
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Fokke Nauta wrote:
Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta In what way is a fresh install better ? The Upgrade install process creates Windows.old and puts your Windows 7 in there, plus any Program Files things that aren't compatible. It "migrates" things from the old install to the new. It will be reusing some parts of the old registry, but I don't know what exactly. It's not like you keep all the files, and it's a giant mixup. There is a process involved with it. If a program is known to not be compatible, it will be removed. Some items can be damaged a bit (my DataRAM RAMDisk needs a Repair in Programs and Features which only takes five seconds to do). If your Windows 7 was "malware-infested", by all means, nuke and pave. If the OS is in decent shape, Upgrade Install and let the owner test it out. If it stutters and halts and mis-behaves, *then* nuke and pave. Give it a chance. Since an Upgrade Install is little work, it's worth a test first. 1) Backup the drive first. Safety first! Installations can back out on failure. In one case, this threatened to take 1.5 hours, to restore Windows.old to Windows, so I just reset the machine and restored from backup, which took around 10 minutes. Backups can be worth it, even with all the automation. Microsoft has even managed to figure out how to recover a botched install which is failing on the first reboot after the install steps are done. At one time, it could die right there. Having a backup means you don't need to know this. 2) Make a note of what programs are installed, in case later you notice something is missing. A bare minimum is to take a snippingtool picture of the desktop icons, as it's annoying to notice an icon is gone, and not know which one. The installer should warn about what it is about to do, but with a bit of preparation, you can figure out what it deleted anyway. Doing a Clean Install is a lot of work. It can be worth it. But not if an Upgrade works out for you instead. On a Clean Install, you'll be sitting there trying to figure out where the old Email Database should go and so on. And wondering what you did with the Bookmarks file you were supposed to export before you started. Paul |
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On 02/01/2019 17:22, The Man in the High Castle wrote:
Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta I've done it on two computers and it was fast, easy and no problems except Windows 10 nuked one program I never use, an Intel monitoring program. Thanks. This looks good. I guess will go this way. Fokke |
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On 1/2/2019 12:50 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 02/01/2019 17:22, The Man in the High Castle wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta I've done it on two computers and it was fast, easy and no problems except Windows 10 nuked one program I never use, an Intel monitoring program. Thanks. This looks good. I guess will go this way. Fokke If this PC has never been upgraded to W10 in the past you might want to try entering in her W7 Pro license in when the upgrade/install asks for the W10 activation code. Many people have been able to still get a free upgrade to W10 using the older codes. If all else fails you can then purchase a new W10 license and activate it with that. If it had already been upgraded to W10 and then downgraded to W7 just tell the software you don't have a W10 code to give it. It should then call into Microsoft's servers and re-license the W10 that had been activated in the past. |
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On 02/01/2019 17:24, Paul wrote:
Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta In what way is a fresh install better ? I allways thought a fresh install is better than an upgrade. The Upgrade install process creates Windows.old and puts your Windows 7 in there, plus any Program Files things that aren't compatible. OK It "migrates" things from the old install to the new. It will be reusing some parts of the old registry, but I don't know what exactly. It's not like you keep all the files, and it's a giant mixup. There is a process involved with it. If a program is known to not be compatible, it will be removed. Some items can be damaged a bit (my DataRAM RAMDisk needs a Repair in Programs and Features which only takes five seconds to do). Well, I can figure that out. No problem. If your Windows 7 was "malware-infested", by all means, nuke and pave. If the OS is in decent shape, Upgrade Install and let the owner test it out. It was working OK without any problems or infections. If it stutters and halts and mis-behaves, *then* nuke and pave. Give it a chance. OK, but what is "nuke and pave"? I don't know that expression, but I have a faint idea it means "tuning it a bit". Correct? Since an Upgrade Install is little work, it's worth a test first. 1) Backup the drive first. Safety first! I allways make images of the C: drive.In case something goes wrong, one can allways place an image back. Â*Â* Installations can back out on failure. In one case, this threatened Â*Â* to take 1.5 hours, to restore Windows.old to Windows, so I just Â*Â* reset the machine and restored from backup, which took around Â*Â* 10 minutes. Â*Â* Backups can be worth it, even with all the automation. Â*Â* Microsoft has even managed to figure out how to recover a Â*Â* botched install which is failing on the first reboot after Â*Â* the install steps are done. At one time, it could die right there. Â*Â* Having a backup means you don't need to know this. 2) Make a note of what programs are installed, in case Â*Â* later you notice something is missing. A bare minimum is Â*Â* to take a snippingtool picture of the desktop icons, as it's Â*Â* annoying to notice an icon is gone, and not know which one. Yes, familiar with that. List of applications and a screenshot. The installer should warn about what it is about to do, but with a bit of preparation, you can figure out what it deleted anyway. Doing a Clean Install is a lot of work. Yes, it is. Hence my question. It can be worth it. But not if an Upgrade works out for you instead. On a Clean Install, you'll be sitting there trying to figure out where the old Email Database should go and so on. Yes, I know all about it. And wondering what you did with the Bookmarks file you were supposed to export before you started. For FF there is MozBackup. Used it many times. You know, I'll give it a try. An upgrade. First time I'll ever do this, instead of a clean installation. Thanks. Fokke |
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On 02/01/2019 20:03, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
On 1/2/2019 12:50 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 02/01/2019 17:22, The Man in the High Castle wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta I've done it on two computers and it was fast, easy and no problems except Windows 10 nuked one program I never use, an Intel monitoring program. Thanks. This looks good. I guess will go this way. Fokke If this PC has never been upgraded to W10 in the past you might want to try entering in her W7 Pro license in when the upgrade/install asks for the W10 activation code.Â* Many people have been able to still get a free upgrade to W10 using the older codes. Thanks. Haven't known this. But already purchased a W10 DVD. If all else fails you can then purchase a new W10 license and activate it with that. If it had already been upgraded to W10 and then downgraded to W7 just tell the software you don't have a W10 code to give it.Â* It should then call into Microsoft's servers and re-license the W10 that had been activated in the past. Fokke |
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Fokke Nauta wrote:
You know, I'll give it a try. An upgrade. First time I'll ever do this, instead of a clean installation. Thanks. Fokke Plug in the Win10 DVD (or mount an ISO if the OS can do that, I use ISO mounting in Win10 to do Repair installs, to install Win10 over Win10). From Explorer, execute Setup.exe on the DVD. You do the Upgrade install from a running Windows 7 OS, executing the Setup.exe. You can test your Windows 7 key first, to see if the Free Upgrade still works. The Windows 10 license you've got would come in handy if you're *changing SKUs*. You can go from Windows 7 Pro or Windows 7 Ultimate to Win10 Pro. You can go from Windows 7 Home Premium to Win10 Home. The five SKUs of Windows 7 align via a table of values, to two SKUs in Windows 10 consumer editions. If you wanted to go from Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 10 Pro, then you'll likely need your Win10 Pro purchased license key. There's no need to test the Win7 key, if your from-to combination don't match. But if you're using similar SKUs for the from and to, then the existing Windows 7 key just might work. You can then save the Win10 key for some other purpose. ******* If you want a Clean install, that is done by *booting* the DVD. Whereas the Upgrade, you leave the Windows 7 running and just execute Setup.exe off the DVD. To take advantage of the Windows 7 SP1 free upgrade though, you could try the Upgrade Install first. Once the installation is registered with the Microsoft server, you can do future Clean Install operations without typing in a key. The OS communicates the hardware details with the MS server and it figures out you are already licensed in that case. This is called a "Digital Entitlement" if you need a term for Google purposes. To determine details of your installation after it finished, you can use winver # Works even in Windows XP. Not much detail. slmgr /dlv # Indicates whether activated and # free upgrade or purchased license # key actually worked. If it says # "30 day grace" you are not activated. ******* Nuke and pave means: 1) Erase the hard drive. 2) Do a Clean install. There are a variety of ways to do (1). And only one way to do (2) is via the booted DVD. USB flash sticks are also all the rage now, and sometimes the Win10 is on a USB stick and install goes a little faster. Because the install.WIM file on the DVD is heavily compressed, the media issue doesn't hold back the installation all that much. Some Windows 10 versions have unpacked the DVD a little faster than others. Normally, the 6MB/sec read rate of the DVD would be terrible, but the decompressor doesn't run that fast. And decompressing is part of the work. Windows hardly ever agrees to go flat-out when doing these things, and the decompression task is no different. I have seen it get close to using 40% of the CPU, but when you check the Task Manager today, I would expect to see less than that. Paul |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:19:53 +0100, Fokke Nauta
wrote: On 02/01/2019 17:24, Paul wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta In what way is a fresh install better ? I allways thought a fresh install is better than an upgrade. I don't agree. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It mostly depends on how good the existing installation is. Here's my standard post on the subject: Although many people will tell you that formatting and installing cleanly is the best way to go, I disagree. Unlike with previous versions of Windows, when doing an upgrade was often a mistake, an upgrade to Windows XP or later replaces almost everything, and usually works very well. The only real exception is when you are having problems; in that situation, an upgrade often worsens problems, rather than solving them. My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall cleanly if problems develop. However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens. |
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On 02/01/2019 20:59, Paul wrote:
Fokke Nauta wrote: You know, I'll give it a try. An upgrade. First time I'll ever do this, instead of a clean installation. Thanks. Fokke Plug in the Win10 DVD (or mount an ISO if the OS can do that, I use ISO mounting in Win10 to do Repair installs, to install Win10 over Win10). From Explorer, execute Setup.exe on the DVD. You do the Upgrade install from a running Windows 7 OS, executing the Setup.exe. You can test your Windows 7 key first, to see if the Free Upgrade still works. The Windows 10 license you've got would come in handy if you're *changing SKUs*. What's an SKU? You can go from Windows 7 Pro or Windows 7 Ultimate to Win10 Pro. Yes, that's what I wanted to do. W7 Pro to W10 Pro. You can go from Windows 7 Home PremiumÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* to Win10 Home. The five SKUs of Windows 7 align via a table of values, to two SKUs in Windows 10 consumer editions. If you wanted to go from Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 10 Pro, then you'll likely need your Win10 Pro purchased license key. There's no need to test the Win7 key, if your from-to combination don't match. But if you're using similar SKUs for the from and to, then the existing Windows 7 key just might work. You can then save the Win10 key for some other purpose. ******* If you want a Clean install, that is done by *booting* the DVD. Whereas the Upgrade, you leave the Windows 7 running and just execute Setup.exe off the DVD. To take advantage of the Windows 7 SP1 free upgrade though, you could try the Upgrade Install first. Once the installation is registered with the Microsoft server, you can do future Clean Install operations without typing in a key. The OS communicates the hardware details with the MS server and it figures out you are already licensed in that case. This is called a "Digital Entitlement" if you need a term for Google purposes. Thanks! I'll give it a try. To determine details of your installation after it finished, you can use Â*Â* winverÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # Works even in Windows XP. Not much detail. Â*Â* slmgr /dlvÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # Indicates whether activated and Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # free upgrade or purchased license Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # key actually worked. If it says Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* # "30 day grace" you are not activated. ******* Nuke and pave means: 1) Erase the hard drive. 2) Do a Clean install. OK, thanks. I got it wrong. But I know how to do this. There are a variety of ways to do (1). And only one way to do (2) is via the booted DVD. USB flash sticks are also all the rage now, and sometimes the Win10 is on a USB stick and install goes a little faster. Because the install.WIM file on the DVD is heavily compressed, the media issue doesn't hold back the installation all that much. Some Windows 10 versions have unpacked the DVD a little faster than others. Normally, the 6MB/sec read rate of the DVD would be terrible, but the decompressor doesn't run that fast. And decompressing is part of the work. Windows hardly ever agrees to go flat-out when doing these things, and the decompression task is no different. I have seen it get close to using 40% of the CPU, but when you check the Task Manager today, I would expect to see less than that. Â*Â* Paul Fokke |
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On 02/01/2019 21:00, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:19:53 +0100, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 02/01/2019 17:24, Paul wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta In what way is a fresh install better ? I allways thought a fresh install is better than an upgrade. I don't agree. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It mostly depends on how good the existing installation is. Here's my standard post on the subject: Although many people will tell you that formatting and installing cleanly is the best way to go, I disagree. Unlike with previous versions of Windows, when doing an upgrade was often a mistake, an upgrade to Windows XP or later replaces almost everything, and usually works very well. OK. Allways thought a fresh install was better. The only real exception is when you are having problems; in that situation, an upgrade often worsens problems, rather than solving them. The system works fine. No problems. My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall cleanly if problems develop. However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens. Yeah, all data is on other partitions and is backed up. And there is an image of the system partition, so I can allways go back. Thanks anyway. I'll give the update a try! Fokke |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:40:44 +0100, Fokke Nauta
wrote: On 02/01/2019 21:00, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:19:53 +0100, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 02/01/2019 17:24, Paul wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta In what way is a fresh install better ? I allways thought a fresh install is better than an upgrade. I don't agree. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It mostly depends on how good the existing installation is. Here's my standard post on the subject: Although many people will tell you that formatting and installing cleanly is the best way to go, I disagree. Unlike with previous versions of Windows, when doing an upgrade was often a mistake, an upgrade to Windows XP or later replaces almost everything, and usually works very well. OK. Allways thought a fresh install was better. The only real exception is when you are having problems; in that situation, an upgrade often worsens problems, rather than solving them. The system works fine. No problems. My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall cleanly if problems develop. However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens. Yeah, all data is on other partitions and is backed up. And there is an image of the system partition, so I can allways go back. Thanks anyway. I'll give the update a try! Fokke I thought there was no need for a fresh install from Windows7 to Windows10, but over time the computer became slower and odd quirks kept appearing randomly. I had hundreds of old programs on Windows7 and was hesitant to do a fresh install. However this became the only option after some serious faults, (including a stopped updating), and I had to reinstall many old programs. I was rewarded by a faster system that so far has worked well. It's not for nothing Microsoft suggests a "fresh" "clean" install; they want to get rid of Windows7. |
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On 02/01/2019 23:34, Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 21:40:44 +0100, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 02/01/2019 21:00, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:19:53 +0100, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 02/01/2019 17:24, Paul wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, All best wishes to start with. My wife's pc is running W7 Pro 64. She likes to have W10 Pro 64 instead of W7. I have seen that I can choose between a fresh installation (after clearing the C: drive) or perform an upgrade from the current OS. I know a fresh installation is better, but it's a hell of a job installing all applications again, and create all settings like they are now. What's the result of an upgrade from 7 to 10? Does it have disadvantages? I'm curious to your opinions. Rgs, Fokke Nauta In what way is a fresh install better ? I allways thought a fresh install is better than an upgrade. I don't agree. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It mostly depends on how good the existing installation is. Here's my standard post on the subject: Although many people will tell you that formatting and installing cleanly is the best way to go, I disagree. Unlike with previous versions of Windows, when doing an upgrade was often a mistake, an upgrade to Windows XP or later replaces almost everything, and usually works very well. OK. Allways thought a fresh install was better. The only real exception is when you are having problems; in that situation, an upgrade often worsens problems, rather than solving them. The system works fine. No problems. My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall cleanly if problems develop. However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall if the worst happens. Yeah, all data is on other partitions and is backed up. And there is an image of the system partition, so I can allways go back. Thanks anyway. I'll give the update a try! Fokke I thought there was no need for a fresh install from Windows7 to Windows10, but over time the computer became slower and odd quirks kept appearing randomly. I had hundreds of old programs on Windows7 and was hesitant to do a fresh install. However this became the only option after some serious faults, (including a stopped updating), and I had to reinstall many old programs. I was rewarded by a faster system that so far has worked well. It's not for nothing Microsoft suggests a "fresh" "clean" install; they want to get rid of Windows7. Well, this is the reasson I thought a fresh install should be better. Fokke |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 15:56:29 -0500, Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-02 15:36, Fokke Nauta wrote: [...] What's an SKU? [...] The barcode on the label. It identifies the product. Stock Keeping Unit. Not a term unique to MSFT. |
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On 03/01/2019 11:24, mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 15:56:29 -0500, Wolf K wrote: On 2019-01-02 15:36, Fokke Nauta wrote: [...] What's an SKU? [...] The barcode on the label. It identifies the product. Stock Keeping Unit. Not a term unique to MSFT. Thanks. Fokke |
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