How to connect to a wireless device (a video camera's memory card)from windows 10?

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:29:39 -0000, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 05/01/2019 20:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a video camera with WiFi. I can switch its WiFi on, and the
camera displays its WiFi SSID and password on its own screen.

Did it not come with a cable to connect it via your laptop's USB port?
Most cameras I have bought have a cable. I have never bought a camera
with wifi facility but I am not a keen photographer so this is not in
point here.

You are a new boy on the block here so this suggests to me that you are
a nym-shifter expecting to generate useless posts by posting this crap here.

Actually you must be the same pedo we have filtered out but since you
have changed your nym your post managed to come to my inbox!!! I have
now updated by filter list!!.

PKB. You're most likely in everyone's filters because of your silly pointless bright gay colours. Everyone else posts in plain text.

Yes I know you won't see this, but no doubt someone will reply to me, then you'll see it, as you've not got enough clue to filter replies to me.

On 1/5/2019 6:09 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 02:02:43 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 06/01/2019 01:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:32:55 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 05/01/2019 21:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:


It does have a USB socket, but the
computer doesn't see it.
The manual sort of (if I understand Chinglish
correctly) indicates you should be able to transfer files by USB.
Try, connecting the USB cable, then look at the camera's screen.
Does it
not show two options, the likes of; 'Connect to computer' or 'Use as
Webcam'?

It behaves as if I'd plugged it into a USB power supply.* It charges the
battery and nothing more.

Are you sure that you are using a Data-Cable rather than just a
Charging-cable?

No I'm not sure.* I didn't realise there were non-data cables.* How do I
tell?
Suggest you back up and follow the instructions in the manual.
Most of the cameras I have REQUIRE you do download some app. If the app is
only in smartphone format, you gotta do that.
Some also allow a USB connection, but you still need the app that is
compatible
with your host and your camera.

Once you have that app installed, the app knows how to look for the camera
and allow you to configure it.
Often, there is a way to have it connect to your router as a client.
You do that entering the credentials and passwords that your router
requires.
AFTER you do that, you might be able to access the camera by pointing your
web browser at the IP address that the router gave the camera and the port
that the camera uses.

Summary, follow the instructions, download the damn phone app and see
what it can do.

"Jason" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
On some modern routers there is a button that when pressed will connect
any device to the network. I am not sure how it works but I know it is
there on my Motorola router.

I don't know details, but the WPS function is regarded as
a huge security hole and should be disabled. (Too bad, it
works well as I found with a couple of wireless
printers...)

My understanding is that WPS is only a security problem for the minute or so
that it's active.

--
Regards
wasbit

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 01:25:47 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a video camera with WiFi. I can switch its WiFi on, and the
camera displays its WiFi SSID and password on its own screen.

How do I connect to this using Windows 10? My Windows 10 PC does not
have WiFi, but it's connected by ethernet cable to a wireless router,
which is where it gets its internet connection from. Why can I not see
the camera from the PC? The wireless router is functional, as laptops
can get onto the internet through it.

Can we know the make and model of the camera ?

Craphy V3 4K Ultra HD 16MP WIFI Sports Camera Waterproof
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192763473318
He's put it up to £17, but I got it for £10. Not sure why.
It's bloody good for a tenner I can tell you!

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/thread...amdroid.20507/

https://www.goprawn.com/forum/lens-a...179-vs-imx179s

Almost like it's an access point or something.

https://www.goprawn.com/forum/action...v3-android-app

In this example, somebody "bootstraps" the camera with an Android.
Then, once the camera is "running", switches to using a Wifi dongle
on a PC and a copy of VLC in streaming mode to "record" the camera.
A poster in the comment section, claims to have made connections
once the SSID and password step are completed, using only VLC.

http://www.whatimade.today/ekenh9-4k...fi-on-your-pc/

"Simply use this URL in VLC:

rtsp://192.168.1.1/MJPG?W=640&H=360&Q=50&BR=3000000
"

The "AllWinner V3" term and "Android" and the like, may allow you
to dig up more examples.

This looks like a popular product sold under many different
names. (The manufacturers are probably not all modifying the
firmware themselves, and just using standard firmware images.)
The sensor is mounted on a kind of Kapton film, perhaps
because of the difficulty of soldering the thing or something.
And the sensor doesn't have to be a Sony, it can also be substituted
by an Ovonics sensor (for that "ultimate cheapness").

The image quality is quite variable between sensor choices.
One of the original sensors for this design gives nicely
saturated pictures (I've seen these Sony sensors used in
some other stuff I was researching). It's hard to believe
Sony would dabble in this stuff, because Sony was
always "satisfied" to sell "up-scale" sensors at a hundred
bucks a crack. It's not like them to "race to the bottom"
and compete against an Ovonics. It almost looks like
the Sony operation is "under new management" :-)

Paul

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 10:13:44 -0000, Mike wrote:

On 1/5/2019 6:09 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 02:02:43 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 06/01/2019 01:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:32:55 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 05/01/2019 21:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:


It does have a USB socket, but the
computer doesn't see it.
The manual sort of (if I understand Chinglish
correctly) indicates you should be able to transfer files by USB.
Try, connecting the USB cable, then look at the camera's screen.
Does it
not show two options, the likes of; 'Connect to computer' or 'Use as
Webcam'?

It behaves as if I'd plugged it into a USB power supply. It charges the
battery and nothing more.

Are you sure that you are using a Data-Cable rather than just a
Charging-cable?

No I'm not sure. I didn't realise there were non-data cables. How do I
tell?
Suggest you back up and follow the instructions in the manual.

Not easy when it's in Chinglish and very brief.

Most of the cameras I have REQUIRE you do download some app. If the app is
only in smartphone format, you gotta do that.

Yes it says to download an app, but from what I've read bluestacks emulator ion a PC should work.

Some also allow a USB connection, but you still need the app that is
compatible
with your host and your camera.

It didn't mention any program in the manual for a computer connecting with USB, it sounded as though it should work like any stills camera - the PC sees it as a USB drive to get the files from. Maybe I'm using the wrong cable - I didn't realise there were charging only cables - cheapskates!

Once you have that app installed, the app knows how to look for the camera
and allow you to configure it.
Often, there is a way to have it connect to your router as a client.
You do that entering the credentials and passwords that your router
requires.
AFTER you do that, you might be able to access the camera by pointing your
web browser at the IP address that the router gave the camera and the port
that the camera uses.

Summary, follow the instructions, download the damn phone app and see
what it can do.

I'm not really interested in doing the fancy stuff like getting a live feed, I just wanted to easily transfer files off it without constantly removing the memory card, and even without wearing out its USB socket - mind you I need to use that for charging anyway, as the internal battery, although removable, is non-standard - I'd have to rig something up to charge the battery externally.

I'll just be lazy and slot its memory card into my PC.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 11:54:35 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 01:25:47 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a video camera with WiFi. I can switch its WiFi on, and the
camera displays its WiFi SSID and password on its own screen.

How do I connect to this using Windows 10? My Windows 10 PC does not
have WiFi, but it's connected by ethernet cable to a wireless router,
which is where it gets its internet connection from. Why can I not see
the camera from the PC? The wireless router is functional, as laptops
can get onto the internet through it.

Can we know the make and model of the camera ?

Craphy V3 4K Ultra HD 16MP WIFI Sports Camera Waterproof
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192763473318
He's put it up to £17, but I got it for £10. Not sure why.
It's bloody good for a tenner I can tell you!

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/thread...amdroid.20507/

https://www.goprawn.com/forum/lens-a...179-vs-imx179s

Almost like it's an access point or something.

I guess they thought that would be more convenient if you want to get the photos onto your phone when you're out and about somewhere and want to email them to somebody.

https://www.goprawn.com/forum/action...v3-android-app

In this example, somebody "bootstraps" the camera with an Android.
Then, once the camera is "running", switches to using a Wifi dongle
on a PC and a copy of VLC in streaming mode to "record" the camera.
A poster in the comment section, claims to have made connections
once the SSID and password step are completed, using only VLC.

http://www.whatimade.today/ekenh9-4k...fi-on-your-pc/

"Simply use this URL in VLC:

rtsp://192.168.1.1/MJPG?W=640&H=360&Q=50&BR=3000000
"

The "AllWinner V3" term and "Android" and the like, may allow you
to dig up more examples.

This looks like a popular product sold under many different
names. (The manufacturers are probably not all modifying the
firmware themselves, and just using standard firmware images.)
The sensor is mounted on a kind of Kapton film, perhaps
because of the difficulty of soldering the thing or something.
And the sensor doesn't have to be a Sony, it can also be substituted
by an Ovonics sensor (for that "ultimate cheapness").

The image quality is quite variable between sensor choices.
One of the original sensors for this design gives nicely
saturated pictures (I've seen these Sony sensors used in
some other stuff I was researching). It's hard to believe
Sony would dabble in this stuff, because Sony was
always "satisfied" to sell "up-scale" sensors at a hundred
bucks a crack. It's not like them to "race to the bottom"
and compete against an Ovonics. It almost looks like
the Sony operation is "under new management" :-)

You mean they're going to stop selling overpriced ****? Sony stuff always costs twice as much and lasts no longer than any cheaper brand.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 11:54:35 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 01:25:47 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
I have a video camera with WiFi. I can switch its WiFi on, and the
camera displays its WiFi SSID and password on its own screen.

How do I connect to this using Windows 10? My Windows 10 PC does not
have WiFi, but it's connected by ethernet cable to a wireless router,
which is where it gets its internet connection from. Why can I not see
the camera from the PC? The wireless router is functional, as laptops
can get onto the internet through it.

Can we know the make and model of the camera ?

Craphy V3 4K Ultra HD 16MP WIFI Sports Camera Waterproof
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192763473318
He's put it up to £17, but I got it for £10. Not sure why.
It's bloody good for a tenner I can tell you!

https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/thread...amdroid.20507/

https://www.goprawn.com/forum/lens-a...179-vs-imx179s

Almost like it's an access point or something.

https://www.goprawn.com/forum/action...v3-android-app

In this example, somebody "bootstraps" the camera with an Android.
Then, once the camera is "running", switches to using a Wifi dongle
on a PC and a copy of VLC in streaming mode to "record" the camera.
A poster in the comment section, claims to have made connections
once the SSID and password step are completed, using only VLC.

http://www.whatimade.today/ekenh9-4k...fi-on-your-pc/

"Simply use this URL in VLC:

rtsp://192.168.1.1/MJPG?W=640&H=360&Q=50&BR=3000000
"

The "AllWinner V3" term and "Android" and the like, may allow you
to dig up more examples.

This looks like a popular product sold under many different
names. (The manufacturers are probably not all modifying the
firmware themselves, and just using standard firmware images.)
The sensor is mounted on a kind of Kapton film, perhaps
because of the difficulty of soldering the thing or something.
And the sensor doesn't have to be a Sony, it can also be substituted
by an Ovonics sensor (for that "ultimate cheapness").

The image quality is quite variable between sensor choices.
One of the original sensors for this design gives nicely
saturated pictures (I've seen these Sony sensors used in
some other stuff I was researching). It's hard to believe
Sony would dabble in this stuff, because Sony was
always "satisfied" to sell "up-scale" sensors at a hundred
bucks a crack. It's not like them to "race to the bottom"
and compete against an Ovonics. It almost looks like
the Sony operation is "under new management" :-)

It doesn't seem to matter what camera you buy nowadays, I've looked at results from expensive and cheap cameras, and you always get 4 times less usable pixels than they claim. Basically they're all ripping us off.

For example, take a photograph with 10MP camera. Use photoshop to change that to 2.5MP (by resizing the image to 50%). Now resize it back to 10MP. If the camera was really 10MP, the adjusted image should be crap compared to the original, but it's identical. Therefore the original image only contained 2.5MP. Blocks of 4 pixels were the same and gave no extra information.

Or simply load the camera image into photoshop and gradually zoom in and out until the point where you're making it become less sharp. That will usually occur about 50% zoom. The 100% zoom image isn't clear at all by comparison.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 12:05:48 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Yes it says to download an app, but from what I've read
bluestacks emulator ion a PC should work.

Running Bluestacks4 Android 7.1.1 emulation freeware on Windows
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/JBRjZ39w4Ok/6Vzu7rtIAQAJ

PS: Doesn't _anyone_ on this ng know how to quote properly?
--
HINT: You only quote that which you are responding to. Sheesh.
(Anyone who quotes everything is only proving their lack of brains, IMHO.)

Mike wrote:
On 1/5/2019 6:09 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 02:02:43 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 06/01/2019 01:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:32:55 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 05/01/2019 21:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:


It does have a USB socket, but the
computer doesn't see it.
The manual sort of (if I understand Chinglish
correctly) indicates you should be able to transfer files by USB.
Try, connecting the USB cable, then look at the camera's screen.
Does it
not show two options, the likes of; 'Connect to computer' or 'Use
as Webcam'?

It behaves as if I'd plugged it into a USB power supply. It
charges the battery and nothing more.

Are you sure that you are using a Data-Cable rather than just a
Charging-cable?

No I'm not sure. I didn't realise there were non-data cables. How do
I tell?
Suggest you back up and follow the instructions in the manual.
Most of the cameras I have REQUIRE you do download some app. If the
app is only in smartphone format, you gotta do that.
Some also allow a USB connection, but you still need the app that is
compatible
with your host and your camera.

Once you have that app installed, the app knows how to look for the
camera and allow you to configure it.
Often, there is a way to have it connect to your router as a client.
You do that entering the credentials and passwords that your router
requires.
AFTER you do that, you might be able to access the camera by pointing
your web browser at the IP address that the router gave the camera
and the port that the camera uses.

Summary, follow the instructions, download the damn phone app and see
what it can do.

It's Hucker and he is trolling - as always.

On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 10:36:06 -0000, "wasbit"
wrote:

"Jason" wrote in message
...

I don't know details, but the WPS function is regarded as
a huge security hole and should be disabled. (Too bad, it
works well as I found with a couple of wireless
printers...)

My understanding is that WPS is only a security problem for the minute or so
that it's active.

When the WPS vulnerability was first made public several years ago, it
was a security problem for as long as the WPS feature was enabled, (not
just active), and since WPS was enabled by default, hackers could take
their time. I hacked all of my routers and several routers belonging to
my neighbors, at their request, just to show how easy it was.

Since then, router manufacturers have been releasing new firmware with
their new models and in some cases new firmware for older models, but
who upgrades router firmware? Not many people do, so the vulnerability
likely still exists, to some degree.

The primary tool for hacking WPS is still Reaver, and a quick google
shows that it's still very much alive and well in 2018, which I take to
include 2019.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 02:00:35 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

If it uses TCP/IP, why can I not access its IP address and copy files off it?

You have to connect to it first, before IP addresses can be involved.

WiFi connection = OSI Layer 2
IP addresses = OSI Layer 3

You can't do Layer 3 before Layer 2 is complete. Since the camera is
acting as an access point, you need to connect to it with a client.

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


It doesn't seem to matter what camera you buy nowadays, I've looked at
results from expensive and cheap cameras, and you always get 4 times less
usable pixels than they claim. Basically they're all ripping us off.

nonsense. there's a significant difference among different cameras,
with the number of pixels being what is claimed. lying about that is
illegal.

For example, take a photograph with 10MP camera. Use photoshop to change
that to 2.5MP (by resizing the image to 50%). Now resize it back to 10MP.
If the camera was really 10MP, the adjusted image should be crap compared to
the original, but it's identical. Therefore the original image only
contained 2.5MP. Blocks of 4 pixels were the same and gave no extra
information.

nonsense. it is in no way identical.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 15:27:35 -0000, arlen holder wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 12:05:48 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Yes it says to download an app, but from what I've read
bluestacks emulator ion a PC should work.

Running Bluestacks4 Android 7.1.1 emulation freeware on Windows
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/JBRjZ39w4Ok/6Vzu7rtIAQAJ

Er, isn't that what I just said?

PS: Doesn't _anyone_ on this ng know how to quote properly?

Clearly you don't, you left in only one level of quotation. We need context, we're not all Mr Memory Man.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 16:22:38 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Mike wrote:
On 1/5/2019 6:09 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 02:02:43 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 06/01/2019 01:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:32:55 -0000, Patrick
wrote:

On 05/01/2019 21:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:


It does have a USB socket, but the
computer doesn't see it.
The manual sort of (if I understand Chinglish
correctly) indicates you should be able to transfer files by USB.
Try, connecting the USB cable, then look at the camera's screen.
Does it
not show two options, the likes of; 'Connect to computer' or 'Use
as Webcam'?

It behaves as if I'd plugged it into a USB power supply. It
charges the battery and nothing more.

Are you sure that you are using a Data-Cable rather than just a
Charging-cable?

No I'm not sure. I didn't realise there were non-data cables. How do
I tell?
Suggest you back up and follow the instructions in the manual.
Most of the cameras I have REQUIRE you do download some app. If the
app is only in smartphone format, you gotta do that.
Some also allow a USB connection, but you still need the app that is
compatible
with your host and your camera.

Once you have that app installed, the app knows how to look for the
camera and allow you to configure it.
Often, there is a way to have it connect to your router as a client.
You do that entering the credentials and passwords that your router
requires.
AFTER you do that, you might be able to access the camera by pointing
your web browser at the IP address that the router gave the camera
and the port that the camera uses.

Summary, follow the instructions, download the damn phone app and see
what it can do.

It's Hucker and he is trolling - as always.

**** off, I was asking a perfectly normal question. I have a camera and want to know more about connecting it.

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 16:48:27 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sun, 06 Jan 2019 02:00:35 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

If it uses TCP/IP, why can I not access its IP address and copy files off it?

You have to connect to it first, before IP addresses can be involved.

WiFi connection = OSI Layer 2
IP addresses = OSI Layer 3

You can't do Layer 3 before Layer 2 is complete. Since the camera is
acting as an access point, you need to connect to it with a client.

I was assuming it would be a client to my router, then I could access its IP just as I'd access a laptop a friend brought over, to get the files from it.

I guess as it's an access point, it's my PC that gets an IP from the camera. But clearly it's not using proper standards, or Windows would just get an IP then communicate with it using file sharing.