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  #16  
Old February 13th 05, 07:46 PM
Rush
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:22:38 -0500, Tom wrote:

Yea, now check your system out for tons of spyware that Ares placed on
your PC.

"johnf" wrote in message
...
I've always used Kazaa Destop running through DietKaza, but it's been
hacked I think & now completely unusable.
Just tried the alternative mentioned (ARES) & it works fine.


--

johnf

What do people think about downloading software and other stuff from a
peer to peer networker like Kazaa? They assure you on their site that
it's totally legal. How can this be?




Odd... After installing Ares, I didn't see anything come up in Ad-Aware or
HijackThis scans. If 'tons of spyware' was installed, one would think
something would show up?

Rush
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Old February 13th 05, 09:45 PM
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If Something's Too Good to be true, it probably is...

http://home.comcast.net/~BDTRusnak/r...s_spyware.html
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  #18  
Old February 13th 05, 10:21 PM
Tom
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Did you use the free version? If so, check out your system for NavExcel, =
which is spywa
http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/NavExcel.html

"johnf" wrote in message =
...
For example?
That's the first thing I did on my 2nd. PC (which is for that =

purpose).=20
Nothing! AdAware, Spybot, cwsheddder - completely clean.
=20
=20
--
=20
johnf
=20
Yea, now check your system out for tons of spyware that Ares placed =

on
your PC.

"johnf" wrote in message
...
I've always used Kazaa Destop running through DietKaza, but it's =

been
hacked I think & now completely unusable.
Just tried the alternative mentioned (ARES) & it works fine.


--

johnf

What do people think about downloading software and other stuff =

from a
peer to peer networker like Kazaa? They assure you on their site =

that
it's totally legal. How can this be?=20

=20

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Old February 13th 05, 10:54 PM
Rush
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(top post fixed)

"johnf" wrote in message
...
For example?
That's the first thing I did on my 2nd. PC (which is for that purpose).
Nothing! AdAware, Spybot, cwsheddder - completely clean.



On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:21:00 -0500, Tom wrote:

Did you use the free version? If so, check out your system for NavExcel,
which is spywa http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/NavExcel.html


Freeware version:
It warns you about NavExcel under the support section of the website
and you can also opt out when installing Ares.

Given that, it would be hard to define it as spyware.

Rush
http://www.bythedrop.com


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Old February 14th 05, 05:10 AM
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Spybot 1.3 pulled out 7 NavExcel zipfiles immediately - therefore, no
problems!


--

johnf

Did you use the free version? If so, check out your system for
NavExcel, which is spywa
http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/NavExcel.html

"johnf" wrote in message
...
For example?
That's the first thing I did on my 2nd. PC (which is for that purpose).
Nothing! AdAware, Spybot, cwsheddder - completely clean.


--

johnf

Yea, now check your system out for tons of spyware that Ares placed on
your PC.

"johnf" wrote in message
...
I've always used Kazaa Destop running through DietKaza, but it's been
hacked I think & now completely unusable.
Just tried the alternative mentioned (ARES) & it works fine.


--

johnf

What do people think about downloading software and other stuff
from a peer to peer networker like Kazaa? They assure you on their
site that it's totally legal. How can this be?



  #21  
Old February 14th 05, 01:18 PM
Ian Hoare
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Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

It's claimed to be, but I'm skeptical. It may lack most of the
built-in spyware, but it's still a huge security whole. You'll still be
giving everyone else with Kazaa direct access to your hard drive. Are
you really that willing to trust the whole world with the contents of
your hard drive?


What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has
never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in
your use of language?

Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to
facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The
people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely
without integrity,


Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view.

I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as
being entirely different from snooping through private papers.

In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have
no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material
etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not
regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly
obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show
you that your view is somewhat eccentric.

and so cannot be trusted not to include viruses,
worms, Trojans, and more with anything they "share."


If they did, it would be more likely that they did so in ignorance rather
than malice. There are many differing views of what is honest and what is
dishonest.

That said, I've no intention of using or having anything to do with Kazaa.
--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website
  #22  
Old February 14th 05, 05:58 PM
Colin Barnhorst
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Then why the comment?

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(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Ian Hoare" wrote in message
...
Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

It's claimed to be, but I'm skeptical. It may lack most of the
built-in spyware, but it's still a huge security whole. You'll still be
giving everyone else with Kazaa direct access to your hard drive. Are
you really that willing to trust the whole world with the contents of
your hard drive?


What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has
never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless
in
your use of language?

Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to
facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The
people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely
without integrity,


Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view.

I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally
as
being entirely different from snooping through private papers.

In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have
no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material
etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not
regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly
obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to
show
you that your view is somewhat eccentric.

and so cannot be trusted not to include viruses,
worms, Trojans, and more with anything they "share."


If they did, it would be more likely that they did so in ignorance rather
than malice. There are many differing views of what is honest and what is
dishonest.

That said, I've no intention of using or having anything to do with Kazaa.
--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website



  #23  
Old February 14th 05, 10:02 PM
Ian Hoare
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Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" ,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:51 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

Then why the comment?


Why not? Or is one not supposed to query the revealed truth according to a
MVP. I don't agree with Bruce's black and white vision of honesty and I feel
I'm entitled to say so.
--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website
  #24  
Old February 14th 05, 10:53 PM
Tom
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Bruce is among two MVPs here that preclude guilt before innocence, and =
are software police as well. Too much time on their hands really!

"Ian Hoare" wrote in message =
...
Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" ,=20
=20
le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:51 -0700, tu disais/you said:-
=20
Then why the comment?

=20
Why not? Or is one not supposed to query the revealed truth according =

to a
MVP. I don't agree with Bruce's black and white vision of honesty and =

I feel
I'm entitled to say so.
--=20
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

  #25  
Old February 14th 05, 10:57 PM
BBUNNY
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Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

It's claimed to be, but I'm skeptical. It may lack most of the
built-in spyware, but it's still a huge security whole. You'll still
be giving everyone else with Kazaa direct access to your hard drive.
Are you really that willing to trust the whole world with the
contents of your hard drive?

What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and
has never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_
careless in
your use of language?

Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to
facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The
people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely
without integrity,

Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view.

I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record
illegally as
being entirely different from snooping through private papers.

In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees
have no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing
material etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company
time. They do not regard such as theft (in the case of office
material) or dishonestly obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree
with them, merely trying to show
you that your view is somewhat eccentric.

and so cannot be trusted not to include viruses,
worms, Trojans, and more with anything they "share."

If they did, it would be more likely that they did so in ignorance
rather than malice. There are many differing views of what is honest
and what is dishonest.

That said, I've no intention of using or having anything to do with
Kazaa. --
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website


Colin Barnhorst wrote:
Then why the comment?


The post could very easily been answerd without the pontificating. IMHO


  #26  
Old February 15th 05, 03:45 AM
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Ian Hoare wrote:
Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:-





What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has
never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in
your use of language?



It's called "exaggeration for affect," and usually requires no explanation.


Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to
facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The
people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely
without integrity,



Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view.

I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as
being entirely different from snooping through private papers.

In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have
no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material
etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not
regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly
obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show
you that your view is somewhat eccentric.




So you're saying that 90% of the world lacks integrity? And you're
calling my view-point extreme?





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  #27  
Old February 15th 05, 04:11 AM
Colin Barnhorst
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Agreed.

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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Ian Hoare wrote:
Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers, le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu
disais/you said:-





What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has
never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless
in
your use of language?



It's called "exaggeration for affect," and usually requires no
explanation.


Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to
facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The
people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely
without integrity,



Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view.

I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally
as
being entirely different from snooping through private papers. In fact I
believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have
no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing
material
etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do
not
regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly
obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to
show
you that your view is somewhat eccentric.




So you're saying that 90% of the world lacks integrity? And you're
calling my view-point extreme?





--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH



  #28  
Old February 15th 05, 10:16 AM
Ian Hoare
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Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,


What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has
never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in
your use of language?


It's called "exaggeration for affect," and usually requires no explanation.


If I may be thoroughly pedantic to match your stuffiness.

It's called hyperbole, and as such it's always worthy of adverse comment.
Furthermore it's not "affect", but "effect." (Just because I don't know much
about XP doesn't make my illiterate, and just because you usually give
_excellent_ advice about technical matters doesn't put you above criticism.)

Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view.

I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as
being entirely different from snooping through private papers.

In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have
no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material
etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not
regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly
obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show
you that your view is somewhat eccentric.


So you're saying that 90% of the world lacks integrity? And you're
calling my view-point extreme?


No. I'm saying that I have read surveys that have shown what I quoted. I've
differentiated between what I suspect to be true (downloading legally or
illegally) and in quoting what I've read, sought to give my reasons for a
more nuanced view of the world. You're the one tying that to integrity, I'm
merely saying that I feel your view of what is and isn't honest is too black
and white.

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website
 




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