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Kazaa
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:22:38 -0500, Tom wrote:
Yea, now check your system out for tons of spyware that Ares placed on your PC. "johnf" wrote in message ... I've always used Kazaa Destop running through DietKaza, but it's been hacked I think & now completely unusable. Just tried the alternative mentioned (ARES) & it works fine. -- johnf What do people think about downloading software and other stuff from a peer to peer networker like Kazaa? They assure you on their site that it's totally legal. How can this be? Odd... After installing Ares, I didn't see anything come up in Ad-Aware or HijackThis scans. If 'tons of spyware' was installed, one would think something would show up? Rush http://www.bythedrop.com |
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Kazaa
If Something's Too Good to be true, it probably is...
http://home.comcast.net/~BDTRusnak/r...s_spyware.html BMR777 www.rusnakweb.com |
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Kazaa
Did you use the free version? If so, check out your system for NavExcel, =
which is spywa http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/NavExcel.html "johnf" wrote in message = ... For example? That's the first thing I did on my 2nd. PC (which is for that = purpose).=20 Nothing! AdAware, Spybot, cwsheddder - completely clean. =20 =20 -- =20 johnf =20 Yea, now check your system out for tons of spyware that Ares placed = on your PC. "johnf" wrote in message ... I've always used Kazaa Destop running through DietKaza, but it's = been hacked I think & now completely unusable. Just tried the alternative mentioned (ARES) & it works fine. -- johnf What do people think about downloading software and other stuff = from a peer to peer networker like Kazaa? They assure you on their site = that it's totally legal. How can this be?=20 =20 |
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Kazaa
(top post fixed) "johnf" wrote in message ... For example? That's the first thing I did on my 2nd. PC (which is for that purpose). Nothing! AdAware, Spybot, cwsheddder - completely clean. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:21:00 -0500, Tom wrote: Did you use the free version? If so, check out your system for NavExcel, which is spywa http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/NavExcel.html Freeware version: It warns you about NavExcel under the support section of the website and you can also opt out when installing Ares. Given that, it would be hard to define it as spyware. Rush http://www.bythedrop.com |
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Kazaa
Spybot 1.3 pulled out 7 NavExcel zipfiles immediately - therefore, no
problems! -- johnf Did you use the free version? If so, check out your system for NavExcel, which is spywa http://www.doxdesk.com/parasite/NavExcel.html "johnf" wrote in message ... For example? That's the first thing I did on my 2nd. PC (which is for that purpose). Nothing! AdAware, Spybot, cwsheddder - completely clean. -- johnf Yea, now check your system out for tons of spyware that Ares placed on your PC. "johnf" wrote in message ... I've always used Kazaa Destop running through DietKaza, but it's been hacked I think & now completely unusable. Just tried the alternative mentioned (ARES) & it works fine. -- johnf What do people think about downloading software and other stuff from a peer to peer networker like Kazaa? They assure you on their site that it's totally legal. How can this be? |
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Kazaa
Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,
le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:- It's claimed to be, but I'm skeptical. It may lack most of the built-in spyware, but it's still a huge security whole. You'll still be giving everyone else with Kazaa direct access to your hard drive. Are you really that willing to trust the whole world with the contents of your hard drive? What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in your use of language? Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely without integrity, Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view. I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as being entirely different from snooping through private papers. In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show you that your view is somewhat eccentric. and so cannot be trusted not to include viruses, worms, Trojans, and more with anything they "share." If they did, it would be more likely that they did so in ignorance rather than malice. There are many differing views of what is honest and what is dishonest. That said, I've no intention of using or having anything to do with Kazaa. -- All the Best Ian Hoare http://www.souvigne.com mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website |
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Kazaa
Then why the comment?
-- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Ian Hoare" wrote in message ... Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers, le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:- It's claimed to be, but I'm skeptical. It may lack most of the built-in spyware, but it's still a huge security whole. You'll still be giving everyone else with Kazaa direct access to your hard drive. Are you really that willing to trust the whole world with the contents of your hard drive? What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in your use of language? Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely without integrity, Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view. I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as being entirely different from snooping through private papers. In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show you that your view is somewhat eccentric. and so cannot be trusted not to include viruses, worms, Trojans, and more with anything they "share." If they did, it would be more likely that they did so in ignorance rather than malice. There are many differing views of what is honest and what is dishonest. That said, I've no intention of using or having anything to do with Kazaa. -- All the Best Ian Hoare http://www.souvigne.com mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website |
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Kazaa
Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" ,
le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:51 -0700, tu disais/you said:- Then why the comment? Why not? Or is one not supposed to query the revealed truth according to a MVP. I don't agree with Bruce's black and white vision of honesty and I feel I'm entitled to say so. -- All the Best Ian Hoare http://www.souvigne.com mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website |
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Kazaa
Bruce is among two MVPs here that preclude guilt before innocence, and =
are software police as well. Too much time on their hands really! "Ian Hoare" wrote in message = ... Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" ,=20 =20 le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:58:51 -0700, tu disais/you said:- =20 Then why the comment? =20 Why not? Or is one not supposed to query the revealed truth according = to a MVP. I don't agree with Bruce's black and white vision of honesty and = I feel I'm entitled to say so. --=20 All the Best Ian Hoare http://www.souvigne.com mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website |
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Kazaa
Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,
le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:- It's claimed to be, but I'm skeptical. It may lack most of the built-in spyware, but it's still a huge security whole. You'll still be giving everyone else with Kazaa direct access to your hard drive. Are you really that willing to trust the whole world with the contents of your hard drive? What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in your use of language? Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely without integrity, Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view. I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as being entirely different from snooping through private papers. In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show you that your view is somewhat eccentric. and so cannot be trusted not to include viruses, worms, Trojans, and more with anything they "share." If they did, it would be more likely that they did so in ignorance rather than malice. There are many differing views of what is honest and what is dishonest. That said, I've no intention of using or having anything to do with Kazaa. -- All the Best Ian Hoare http://www.souvigne.com mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website Colin Barnhorst wrote: Then why the comment? The post could very easily been answerd without the pontificating. IMHO |
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Kazaa
Ian Hoare wrote:
Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers, le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:- What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in your use of language? It's called "exaggeration for affect," and usually requires no explanation. Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely without integrity, Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view. I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as being entirely different from snooping through private papers. In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show you that your view is somewhat eccentric. So you're saying that 90% of the world lacks integrity? And you're calling my view-point extreme? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH |
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Kazaa
Agreed.
-- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Ian Hoare wrote: Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers, le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:38:55 -0700, tu disais/you said:- What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in your use of language? It's called "exaggeration for affect," and usually requires no explanation. Also remember, the primary purpose of both Kazaa and Kazaa Lite is to facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted materials. The people who are in the habit of such distribution would be completely without integrity, Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view. I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as being entirely different from snooping through private papers. In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show you that your view is somewhat eccentric. So you're saying that 90% of the world lacks integrity? And you're calling my view-point extreme? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH |
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Kazaa
Salut/Hi Bruce Chambers,
What? Including Mbongo Mbongo in Uganda, who has no electricity, and has never heard of computers. Don't you think you're being a _touch_ careless in your use of language? It's called "exaggeration for affect," and usually requires no explanation. If I may be thoroughly pedantic to match your stuffiness. It's called hyperbole, and as such it's always worthy of adverse comment. Furthermore it's not "affect", but "effect." (Just because I don't know much about XP doesn't make my illiterate, and just because you usually give _excellent_ advice about technical matters doesn't put you above criticism.) Hmm, Bruce, that's rather an extreme view. I guess 90% of the population would regard copying a pop record illegally as being entirely different from snooping through private papers. In fact I believe that statistically, something like 90% of employees have no sense of wrong in "relieving" their employer of paper, writing material etc, nor in making private phone calls/emails on company time. They do not regard such as theft (in the case of office material) or dishonestly obtaining services. I'm not saying I agree with them, merely trying to show you that your view is somewhat eccentric. So you're saying that 90% of the world lacks integrity? And you're calling my view-point extreme? No. I'm saying that I have read surveys that have shown what I quoted. I've differentiated between what I suspect to be true (downloading legally or illegally) and in quoting what I've read, sought to give my reasons for a more nuanced view of the world. You're the one tying that to integrity, I'm merely saying that I feel your view of what is and isn't honest is too black and white. -- All the Best Ian Hoare http://www.souvigne.com mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website |
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