Using Partiton Magic 8.0

Salut/Hi Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-),

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:49:36 -0500, tu disais/you said:-

Disk management software, which you said is causing problems, is a type of
disk overlay program. Different manufacturers call it by different names.

Three weeks ago I installed a new 160 gig hard drive in a clients computer.
I figured I would use the software that came with the WD drive.

WD????

In UK speak that's War Department.

In computer speak... err. Could you translate into something human readable
please.

Word document?

Wonderful Disk?


--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Salut/Hi Ken Blake,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:36:13 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

In ,
BAR typed:

For the simple minded, yes XP can manage a single large volume
disk.

If one wants to manage and prepare for disaster recovery using
only one hard drive, then partitioning is essential.

If you are suggesting using an image file to a second partition
for backup, I would strongly urge you to reconsider that backup
startegy. I don't recommend backup to a second partition because
it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original
and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes,
severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks,
even theft of the computer.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I can think of very few catastrophes which
would render one partition unavailable without doing the same to the entire
disk.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not
kept in the computer.

Agreed. Which is why I made the idiotic mistake of buying the 2 Gig Iomega
SCSI Jaz drive. That managed to eat 3 removable drives and render them
unusable before I finally gave up on it. I now have a little Freecom USB2 30
gig drive.

For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you
should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site.

Agreed again, though Bruce might well call an emergency off site backup copy
of software "Piracy" (GD&R Yes I know there's a difference between "data"
and "applications", but quite a number of my applications were downloaded).

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Western Digital

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Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
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"Ian Hoare" wrote in message
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Salut/Hi Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-),

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:49:36 -0500, tu disais/you said:-

Disk management software, which you said is causing problems, is a type of
disk overlay program. Different manufacturers call it by different names.

Three weeks ago I installed a new 160 gig hard drive in a clients
computer.
I figured I would use the software that came with the WD drive.

WD????

In UK speak that's War Department.

In computer speak... err. Could you translate into something human
readable
please.

Word document?

Wonderful Disk?


--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

In ,
Ian Hoare typed:

Salut/Hi Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-),

le/on Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:49:36 -0500, tu disais/you said:-

Disk management software, which you said is causing problems,
is a
type of disk overlay program. Different manufacturers call it
by
different names.

Three weeks ago I installed a new 160 gig hard drive in a
clients
computer. I figured I would use the software that came with
the WD
drive.

WD????

In UK speak that's War Department.

In computer speak... err. Could you translate into something
human
readable please.


he means Western Digital, a well-known manufacturer of hard
drives.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Salut/Hi Ken Blake,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:25:13 -0700, tu disais/you said:-


Three weeks ago I installed a new 160 gig hard drive in a
clients computer. I figured I would use the software that came with
the WD drive.

WD????

In UK speak that's War Department.

In computer speak... err. Could you translate into something
human readable please.

he means Western Digital, a well-known manufacturer of hard
drives.

Thanks very much Ken. Although I've heard (obviously) of them, their name
simply didn't come to mind, although I was racking what's left of my brain.

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

It is not piracy since the backup cannot be run in its backup form.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Ian Hoare" wrote in message
...
Salut/Hi Ken Blake,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:36:13 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

In ,
BAR typed:

For the simple minded, yes XP can manage a single large volume
disk.

If one wants to manage and prepare for disaster recovery using
only one hard drive, then partitioning is essential.

If you are suggesting using an image file to a second partition
for backup, I would strongly urge you to reconsider that backup
startegy. I don't recommend backup to a second partition because
it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original
and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes,
severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks,
even theft of the computer.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I can think of very few catastrophes which
would render one partition unavailable without doing the same to the
entire
disk.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not
kept in the computer.

Agreed. Which is why I made the idiotic mistake of buying the 2 Gig Iomega
SCSI Jaz drive. That managed to eat 3 removable drives and render them
unusable before I finally gave up on it. I now have a little Freecom USB2
30
gig drive.

For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your
business depends on your data) you
should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those
generations should be stored off-site.

Agreed again, though Bruce might well call an emergency off site backup
copy
of software "Piracy" (GD&R Yes I know there's a difference between "data"
and "applications", but quite a number of my applications were
downloaded).

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

In ,
Ian Hoare typed:

Salut/Hi Ken Blake,

WD????

In UK speak that's War Department.

In computer speak... err. Could you translate into something
human readable please.

he means Western Digital, a well-known manufacturer of hard
drives.

Thanks very much Ken. Although I've heard (obviously) of them,
their
name simply didn't come to mind, although I was racking what's
left
of my brain.


You're welcome, Ian.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

In ,
Colin Barnhorst typed:

It is not piracy since the backup cannot be run in its backup
form.


It depends on what form that backup drive is. It *could* be a
complete clone of the original drive.

But regardless of what form it's in, it's not piracy because what
I recommended is not installing it on a second computer or even
on a second drive or partition on the same computer; it's making
a copy on a drive not installed in any computer.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup




Salut/Hi Ken Blake,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:36:13 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

In ,
BAR typed:

For the simple minded, yes XP can manage a single large
volume
disk.

If one wants to manage and prepare for disaster recovery
using
only one hard drive, then partitioning is essential.

If you are suggesting using an image file to a second
partition
for backup, I would strongly urge you to reconsider that
backup
startegy. I don't recommend backup to a second partition
because
it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the
original
and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes,
severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus
attacks,
even theft of the computer.

Couldn't agree more. In fact, I can think of very few
catastrophes
which would render one partition unavailable without doing the
same
to the entire
disk.

In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and
not
kept in the computer.

Agreed. Which is why I made the idiotic mistake of buying the
2 Gig
Iomega SCSI Jaz drive. That managed to eat 3 removable drives
and
render them unusable before I finally gave up on it. I now
have a
little Freecom USB2 30
gig drive.

For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of
your
business depends on your data) you
should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one
of
those generations should be stored off-site.

Agreed again, though Bruce might well call an emergency off
site
backup copy
of software "Piracy" (GD&R Yes I know there's a difference
between
"data" and "applications", but quite a number of my
applications were
downloaded).

--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

Ken Blake wrote:
In ,
BAR typed:


For the simple minded, yes XP can manage a single large volume
disk.

If one wants to manage and prepare for disaster recovery using
only
one hard drive, then partitioning is essential.

Let me explain: once you have spent hours and hours configuring
your
PC with XP and the dozen or so applications and / or games:
then it
is most advantages to use an application such as Ghost to IMAGE
the
drive. The image file can be used to recreate the hard drive
in case
of a catastrophe.

One cannot take an image file and 'restore' it to the same hard
drive
or partition on which it is located. Thus partitioning the
Hard
Drive is VERY BENEFICIAL andmost useful.



If you are suggesting using an image file to a second partition
for backup, I would strongly urge you to reconsider that backup
startegy. I don't recommend backup to a second partition because
it leaves you susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original
and backup to many of the most common dangers: head crashes,
severe power glitches, nearby lightning strikes, virus attacks,
even theft of the computer.


In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not
kept in the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for
example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you
should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of
those generations should be stored off-site.



My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup
scheme uses two identical removable hard drives, which fit into a
sleeve installed in the computer. I alternate between the two,
and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive.


I echo what Ken says above. For those who have followed my trials
and woes in past months, I can say that, with good help in this
group (and a few barbs and arrows), I have a working procedure that
involves Partition Magic 8 in conjunction with Drive Image 7.

I have two hard drives. Both need only be in the computer, as
a Master and a Slave, periodically when I make a drive image of my
Master drive, on the Slave drive. Should anything go bad with the
Master, I use Drive Image 7 to restore to the master, what it
contained when the drive image was made.

Partition Magic, in this simplified system, is almost superfluous,
except that it is a handy tool for increasing and decreasing the sizes
of partitions.
--
William B. Lurie

Salut/Hi "Colin Barnhorst" ,

le/on Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:40:58 -0700, tu disais/you said:-

It is not piracy since the backup cannot be run in its backup form.

With respect, Colin, BAR's comments (which we could have preserved had you
not top posted and then used a sig delimiter which makes properly configured
newsreaders remove anything below the --) talked about using - I quote:-

an application such as Ghost to IMAGE the drive. The image
file can be used to recreate the hard drive in case of a catastrophe.

Such an image file could well be run.

I'm not disputing for the sake of it, but I'd have hoped you might have
recognised that I was very gently mocking Bruce Chambers' somewhat eccentric
view of life. Sadly it seems that I was mistaken. You do understand the
abbreviation "GD&R" don't you? Because if you did, the comment was obviously
not to be taken seriously.


--
All the Best
Ian Hoare
http://www.souvigne.com
mailbox full to avoid spam. try me at website

wrote in message
...
Ken Blake wrote:
In ,
BAR typed:


For the simple minded, yes XP can manage a single large volume disk.

If one wants to manage and prepare for disaster recovery using only
one hard drive, then partitioning is essential.

Let me explain: once you have spent hours and hours configuring your
PC with XP and the dozen or so applications and / or games: then it
is most advantages to use an application such as Ghost to IMAGE the
drive. The image file can be used to recreate the hard drive in case
of a catastrophe.

One cannot take an image file and 'restore' it to the same hard drive
or partition on which it is located. Thus partitioning the Hard
Drive is VERY BENEFICIAL andmost useful.



If you are suggesting using an image file to a second partition for
backup, I would strongly urge you to reconsider that backup startegy. I
don't recommend backup to a second partition because it leaves you
susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of
the most common dangers: head crashes, severe power glitches, nearby
lightning strikes, virus attacks, even theft of the computer.


In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in
the computer. For really secure backup (needed, for example, if the life
of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple
generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be
stored off-site.



My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses
two identical removable hard drives, which fit into a sleeve installed in
the computer. I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a
complete copy of the primary drive.


I echo what Ken says above. For those who have followed my trials
and woes in past months, I can say that, with good help in this
group (and a few barbs and arrows), I have a working procedure that
involves Partition Magic 8 in conjunction with Drive Image 7.

I have two hard drives. Both need only be in the computer, as
a Master and a Slave, periodically when I make a drive image of my
Master drive, on the Slave drive. Should anything go bad with the
Master, I use Drive Image 7 to restore to the master, what it
contained when the drive image was made.

Partition Magic, in this simplified system, is almost superfluous, except
that it is a handy tool for increasing and decreasing the sizes
of partitions.
--
William B. Lurie

Bill,

It is wonderful to hear that at long last you are actually Drive Image 7
to make backup images which you can later restore if and when necessary.
This is a great leap forward from your previous grinding determination to
produce " Clones" of your master drive and the consequent booting
difficulties that you suffered.

You now only need one further small step to take you to Backup Nirvana. Get
yourself an external USB2 hard drive enclosure or a removable hard drive
sleeve for your e-machine. Backups images can then be made as often as you
like and, by using Incrementals, could be on a daily basis. It is common
sense to keep several days worth of backups. The only time that you would
then have to open the computer case would be to replace a failed internal
drive or other equipment.

Whole system backups may seem a bit over the top for the casual computer
user but the peace of mind and the ability to recover in under an hour from
most conceivable disasters is well worth the small extra expense. Not having
to decide what to backup is a bonus, one just backs up the whole system.

Good Luck.

Richard.