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XP Pro Upgrade or Full Version
I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems
totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. |
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You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless
you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed. Clean Install Windows XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mike" wrote: | I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems | totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and | they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk | with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to | to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I | think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my | machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. |
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"Mike" wrote:
I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. If you have an installed version of Windows on your computer (other than Windows 95) you can use the Retail Upgrade version of Windows XP Pro. Boot the computer with the XP Pro installation CD and choose either the option to install a clean copy of XP, deleting the existing installed Windows, or to upgrade your existing Windows. You might try the upgrade route first and if that fails then do the clean install route. If you want to preserve your existing data and configuration settings you can use the Files and Settings Transfer Wizard on the XP installation CD to save this data to a removable disk (e.g. CDRW), a network drive, or some other removable backup device. See the article by MVP Gary Woodruff at http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/fast.htm Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP http://aumha.org/alex.htm |
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They would still have had to provide a way to reinstall. Read the =
manual. --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------- "Mike" wrote in message = ... I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system = seems=20 totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their = stuff and=20 they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the = disk=20 with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of = going to=20 to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. = I=20 think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd = like my=20 machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. |
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Not quite true. Let me explain.
If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS. I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media laying around somewhere accessible. I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met. -- Donald L McDaniel Please reply to the original thread, so that the thread may be kept intact. ============================== "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed. Clean Install Windows XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mike" wrote: | I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems | totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and | they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk | with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to | to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I | think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my | machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. |
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In ,
Mike typed: I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) You didn't say what operating system you're currently running. Is it XP Home? Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro Why? If you currently have XP Home, let me explain that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of Home is a waste of money. and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. To use the Ugrade version, you have to own a previous qualifying version, and either have it installed or, if you want to do a clean installation of XP, have the installation CD for that previous version. If the previous version is not installed, you'll be prompted to insert the CD as proof of ownership. With a Full version, you can do either an upgrade or a clean installation, without restriction. But be aware that there's a third type available, an OEM version, which can do clean installations only and not upgrades. Many people confuse those OEM versions (which come with restrictions) with the Full version. If you do buy XP Professional, the cheapest alternative may be to buy the Upgrade version, and if necessary also a used copy of Windows 98 to qualify for the upgrade. When you say you "didn't get the disk with the computer," the OEM you brought it from was required to give you a means of reinstalling Windows, if necessary. Sometimes that's a hidden partition on your hard drive, with the installation files there. Before you buy anything, you should check with your vendor to find out how to reinstall. No purchase may be necessary. I think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. Over and above all that, before you reinstall, if I were you, I'd post the details of your problems here and give us the opportunity to troubleshoot it. Despite the opinions of the "few people locally who know their stuff," a reinstallation may not be necessary. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:37:14 -0800, Donald L McDaniel wrote:
I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met. When starting the install from the older version of Windows, even if deleting that partition for a clean install, what you've recounted is how setup will progress. On the other hand, when starting setup by booting with the XP CD - I've always had to show the required "proof" by inserting the CD for the older operating system. I think that I just said what you said but with different words? -- Sharon F MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User |
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Hi Mike
i just wanted to know what system you were using because xp home is just as good as xp pro. I had both and have stayed with xp home edition. If it was pre installed in which most a You can easily restore your computer back to factory settings and start all over either keeping all your existing files or a complete and utter restore so nothing is saved. it is not necessary to upgrade if you just want your system running the way that it use to i would just restore back to factory settings - easier and a hell of a lot cheaper!! its up to you though your the one with the computer best of luck Xp "Ken Blake" wrote: In , Mike typed: I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) You didn't say what operating system you're currently running. Is it XP Home? Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro Why? If you currently have XP Home, let me explain that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not all) home users, even those with a home network, these features aren't needed, would never be used, and buying Professional instead of Home is a waste of money. and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. To use the Ugrade version, you have to own a previous qualifying version, and either have it installed or, if you want to do a clean installation of XP, have the installation CD for that previous version. If the previous version is not installed, you'll be prompted to insert the CD as proof of ownership. With a Full version, you can do either an upgrade or a clean installation, without restriction. But be aware that there's a third type available, an OEM version, which can do clean installations only and not upgrades. Many people confuse those OEM versions (which come with restrictions) with the Full version. If you do buy XP Professional, the cheapest alternative may be to buy the Upgrade version, and if necessary also a used copy of Windows 98 to qualify for the upgrade. When you say you "didn't get the disk with the computer," the OEM you brought it from was required to give you a means of reinstalling Windows, if necessary. Sometimes that's a hidden partition on your hard drive, with the installation files there. Before you buy anything, you should check with your vendor to find out how to reinstall. No purchase may be necessary. I think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. Over and above all that, before you reinstall, if I were you, I'd post the details of your problems here and give us the opportunity to troubleshoot it. Despite the opinions of the "few people locally who know their stuff," a reinstallation may not be necessary. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Donald L McDaniel respectfully replied ;-) Not quite true. Let me explain. If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS. I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media laying around somewhere accessible. I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met. What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a qualifying Windows CD. -- Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed. Clean Install Windows XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mike" wrote: I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. |
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Michael Stevens wrote:
In , Donald L McDaniel respectfully replied ;-) Not quite true. Let me explain. If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS. I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media laying around somewhere accessible. I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met. What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a qualifying Windows CD. If I plan to reinstall again, I would keep my old installation of XP on the HD, then boot with the XP CD. At the start of the Setup program, it will search my HD, and find the current installation of XP. This is how I used my recently purchased XP Retail Upgrade CD. I was never asked for qualifying media. I WAS asked for qualifying media the one time I partitioned and formatted from DOS before beginning the Setup program. However, I would not purchase a Retail Upgrade CD UNLESS I had qualifying media, either my HD, or a previous version of Windows. I think I have been quite clear about this in my previous post. In fact, I PLAINLY STATED, with EMPHASIS "DONT DO IT if you dont have qualifying media.". I have purchased every iteration of Windows since 3.1, so I have plenty of qualifying media stored in a safe place. In the case of those who have NO qualifying media, I advise going whole-hog, and purchasing a so-called "Full Retail" of XP. It will be $130 or more than the Retail Upgrade, or $200 more than a so-called "Full OEM". I used to advise purchasing Full OEM copies of XP because of their cheapness. However, I no longer do, because of Microsoft's recent disavowal of our OEM EULA. I wouldn't want someone to shell out $130+ for a Full OEM of XP Pro, and not be able to activate their OS because of not being able to convince an Activation person that they had a legitimate copy of XP. Also, so many Full OEMs are pulls nowadays, they would not get a legitimate license to XP. -- Donald L McDaniel Please reply to the original thread, so that the thread may be kept intact. ============================== |
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Sharon F wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:37:14 -0800, Donald L McDaniel wrote: I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met. When starting the install from the older version of Windows, even if deleting that partition for a clean install, what you've recounted is how setup will progress. On the other hand, when starting setup by booting with the XP CD - I've always had to show the required "proof" by inserting the CD for the older operating system. I think that I just said what you said but with different words? Nope, we did not say the same thing. In fact, I was pretty clear on the fact that I booted with the XP CD, yet was never asked for qualifying media. IF you have ever watched the install process, the first words you will see on the screen are to the effect of "Searching your HDs for previous installations of Windows". If you have previous installation of XP on your HD when you start setup by booting from your XP CD, the Setup program will find your existing installtion of Windows, and set a flag which says "you have qualifying media." Maybe my install was a fluke, but I re-installed twice in a week, and was NEVER asked for qualifying media. Both times, I booted my machine using the XP CD. In fact I ALWAYS install XP cleanly, after booting the machine using the XP CD. -- Donald L McDaniel Please reply to the original thread, so that the thread may be kept intact. ============================== |
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Michael Stevens wrote:
In , Donald L McDaniel respectfully replied ;-) Not quite true. Let me explain. If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS. I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media laying around somewhere accessible. I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met. What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a qualifying Windows CD. "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed. Clean Install Windows XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mike" wrote: I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. You Microsoft Apologists are just too much. When I advised people to purchase Full OEM CDs, you found fault with me. Now that I no longer advise purchasing Full OEMs, and instead advise purchasing Retail Upgrade CDs, you find fault with me. I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. It's all so CONFUSING!!!. You guys are totally weird! -- Donald L McDaniel Please reply to the original thread, so that the thread may be kept intact. ============================== |
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"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message
... Not quite true. Let me explain. If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS. .... Yeah, but ... if he doesn't have a qualifying product, and the qualifying software only exists on his hard drive, what's he going to do in the future? He'll be stuck, unable to do repair installs or a reinstall, or even a reinstall in place. IMO, not good advice without clearly mentioning the caveats. Pop |
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Donald L McDaniel respectfully replied ;-) Michael Stevens wrote: In , Donald L McDaniel respectfully replied ;-) Not quite true. Let me explain. If you currently have an installation of Windows 9x/ME/NT 4.x/2k/XP Home on the HD on which you plan to install XP Pro, it is possible to use the Retail Upgrade CD to do a clean install of XP Professional. Personally, I would rather pay a $100 less for my OS. I used FULL OEM copies until Microsoft changed the OEM EULA in mid-stride. I recently purchased a Retail Upgrade copy of XP Pro, and was completely surprised when I was never asked for proof of Qualifying Media during the install process. I'm sure that I would have been asked for proof of Qualifying Media if I had used a third-party tool or fdisk/format to partition and format my HD before installing XP, so DON"T DO IT if you don't have Qualifying Media laying around somewhere accessible. I did delete all partitions (including the one holding my OEM XP Pro) during the Install process. So the conditions for Qualifying Media were met. What do you plan to do if you need to clean install again or have a catastrophic hard disk failure? The OP says they did not get any restore media, so they would be out of luck if they didn't have a qualifying Windows CD. "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... You'll need a "Full Version" of Windows XP unless you possess an old Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000 CD and that older Windows operating system is no longer installed. Clean Install Windows XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Mike" wrote: I had some problems with viruses & worms a while back and my system seems totally thrashed. I talked to a few people locally who know their stuff and they suggested I re-install my operating system, but I din't get the disk with the computer. (Great Deal! yeah right) Anyway, i'm thinking of going to to XP Pro and want to know if I need the upgrade or the full version. I think my registry has quite a few errors and missing fragments. I'd like my machine to run like it used to. Any help is appreciated. You Microsoft Apologists are just too much. When I advised people to purchase Full OEM CDs, you found fault with me. Now that I no longer advise purchasing Full OEMs, and instead advise purchasing Retail Upgrade CDs, you find fault with me. I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. It's all so CONFUSING!!!. can't You guys are totally weird! What is weird about giving all the facts? If they don't have qualifying media, not restore partitions on the hard drive, it is not the best advice to purchase the upgrade. If they have no qualifier, they can't use the upgrade CD. If they have restore disks or a qualifying Windows CD, then the upgrade is good. -- Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm |
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