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I have a XP Pro SP2 disc that is retail NOT OEM, so my question is as
follows; Right now I have it running on an old AMD 1.4 Athlon machine but this is only a back up machine and I now want to get my main machine working and of course I want to put XP Pro SP2 on that, so bearing in mind it's a retail disc am I allowed to just install it on my other machine Intel P4, I will only be using one machine at a time so I guess I'm allowed to do this but don't want to get it wrong and also what's the deal with MS validation stuff, will it make MS go mad. As far as I knew this will cause no problems just so long as I only use one machine at a time, and this I will, I want it on main one as well as a working backup on the AMD machine but of course I would only use that if the Intel one died, hope I've made myself clear. |
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"Jim" luckyjim2000_2000atyahoo.com wrote:
I have a XP Pro SP2 disc that is retail NOT OEM, so my question is as follows; Right now I have it running on an old AMD 1.4 Athlon machine but this is only a back up machine and I now want to get my main machine working and of course I want to put XP Pro SP2 on that, so bearing in mind it's a (snip) Yes. That is the advantage of the retail version - it is completely transferable from any machine to any machine as long as it is only used on one machine at a time. Malke -- MS-MVP Windows Shell/User Elephant Boy Computers www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic" |
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A Windows XP license can only be used on one (1)
computer. A second installation requires a second license. From the Windows XP EULA: 1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer. Please read your End-User License Agreement by going to Start Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter. Then click on "End-User License Agreement". Here's the easiest way to get an additional license. If you already have a copy of Windows XP and want to pick up an additional full version or version upgrade, here's how to qualify for and order your new Product Key quickly and easily. http://www.microsoft.com/products/in...6-abfee19961df -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Enjoy all the benefits of genuine Microsoft softwa http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------------------------- "Jim" wrote: | I have a XP Pro SP2 disc that is retail NOT OEM, so my question is as | follows; | | Right now I have it running on an old AMD 1.4 Athlon machine but this is | only a back up machine and I now want to get my main machine working and of | course I want to put XP Pro SP2 on that, so bearing in mind it's a retail | disc am I allowed to just install it on my other machine Intel P4, I will | only be using one machine at a time so I guess I'm allowed to do this but | don't want to get it wrong and also what's the deal with MS validation | stuff, will it make MS go mad. | | As far as I knew this will cause no problems just so long as I only use one | machine at a time, and this I will, I want it on main one as well as a | working backup on the AMD machine but of course I would only use that if the | Intel one died, hope I've made myself clear. |
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... A Windows XP license can only be used on one (1) computer. A second installation requires a second license. From the Windows XP EULA: 1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer. Please read your End-User License Agreement by going to Start Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter. Then click on "End-User License Agreement". Here's the easiest way to get an additional license. If you already have a copy of Windows XP and want to pick up an additional full version or version upgrade, here's how to qualify for and order your new Product Key quickly and easily. http://www.microsoft.com/products/in...6-abfee19961df -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Enjoy all the benefits of genuine Microsoft softwa http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------------------------- Thanks for reply Carey and fast as well, from what your saying it seems I'm OK, I may not have explained myself very well. Yes XP will be installed on 2 machines but only one will ever be used at one time, Intel (main PC) and AMD will only be used if Intel machine dies on me, that way if it does I will have a fully working machine (AMD) and the only thing I will have to do is update the OS and any AV software etc. This is a very fine line IMO, if what I'm hoping to do is still a no no, how about taking AMD (back up) machine and making an image of that then wiping the hard drive, so no os would be on the but I would have a DVD with the image on it, again that way if Intel (main PC) dies I can just restore AMD's image, I'm sure that would be OK but what about validation how does that work in this case. |
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You can use your retail Windows XP license on a second
computer only if you remove it from the first computer. If you try to install it on the second computer, it will activate and it will be authenticated with Windows Genuine Advantage. However, if you did not remove Windows XP from the first computer, the next time you use that computer, WGA will flag it as "non-genuine" since that license was now authenticated as genuine on the second computer. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Enjoy all the benefits of genuine Microsoft softwa http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*--------------------------------- "Jim" wrote: | Thanks for reply Carey and fast as well, from what your saying it seems I'm | OK, I may not have explained myself very well. | | Yes XP will be installed on 2 machines but only one will ever be used at one | time, Intel (main PC) and AMD will only be used if Intel machine dies on me, | that way if it does I will have a fully working machine (AMD) and the only | thing I will have to do is update the OS and any AV software etc. | | This is a very fine line IMO, if what I'm hoping to do is still a no no, how | about taking AMD (back up) machine and making an image of that then wiping | the hard drive, so no os would be on the but I would have a DVD with the | image on it, again that way if Intel (main PC) dies I can just restore AMD's | image, I'm sure that would be OK but what about validation how does that | work in this case. |
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Jim wrote:
I have a XP Pro SP2 disc that is retail NOT OEM, so my question is as follows; Right now I have it running on an old AMD 1.4 Athlon machine but this is only a back up machine and I now want to get my main machine working and of course I want to put XP Pro SP2 on that, so bearing in mind it's a retail disc am I allowed to just install it on my other machine Intel P4, I will only be using one machine at a time so I guess I'm allowed to do this but don't want to get it wrong and also what's the deal with MS validation stuff, will it make MS go mad. As far as I knew this will cause no problems just so long as I only use one machine at a time, .... It's not that you can only "use" one machine at a time, but that the OS can only be *installed* on one machine at a time, regardless of whether or not which machine is in use. .... and this I will, I want it on main one as well as a working backup on the AMD machine but of course I would only use that if the Intel one died, hope I've made myself clear. Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not legitimately transferable), simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on and then install it on the new computer. If it's been more than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, the you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call. Here are the facts pertaining to activation: Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/ Windows Product Activation (WPA) http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Malke wrote:
(snip) Yes. That is the advantage of the retail version - it is completely transferable from any machine to any machine as long as it is only used on one machine at a time. Malke Sorry, Malke, but you snipped the portion where the OP said the he woulds only "use" one machine at a time, but wanted to keep the license installed on both, one as a backup. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Jim wrote:
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... A Windows XP license can only be used on one (1) computer. A second installation requires a second license. From the Windows XP EULA: 1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation Computer"). The Software may not be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer. Please read your End-User License Agreement by going to Start Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter. Then click on "End-User License Agreement". Thanks for reply Carey and fast as well, from what your saying it seems I'm OK, I may not have explained myself very well. No, that's not what Carey said, at all, although I do see how his phrasing could have been misinterpreted. For the purposes of the EULA, a license is in "use" if it's installed. The computer needn't even be turned on. That's why he included the link from which you could obtain an additional license. Just as it says, right on the box, you'll need to purchase a separate WinXP license for each computer on which you *install* it. This isn't new, as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems, it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S. copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which it is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to determine final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which WinXP licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism, Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more difficult) multiple installations using a single license. If you have a retail license, you can buy additional licenses, assuming one already has a retail license. Naturally, Microsoft cannot sell additional OEM licenses. Be aware, however, that you'll probably pay more this way than you would if you were to buy a second copy of WinXP from a discount retailer; Microsoft will only offer you a 15% discount off their MSRP. Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...buy/addlic.asp Additional Licenses for Windows XP Professional http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...buy/addlic.asp Yes XP will be installed on 2 machines Which is a clear violation of the EULA. but only one will ever be used at one time, Irrelevant. You need to purchase an additional WinXP license (as well as licenses for any other software applications that you intended to duplicate). This is a very fine line IMO, if what I'm hoping to do is still a no no, how about taking AMD (back up) machine and making an image of that then wiping the hard drive, so no os would be on the but I would have a DVD with the image on it, again that way if Intel (main PC) dies I can just restore AMD's image, I'm sure that would be OK but what about validation how does that work in this case. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: I have a XP Pro SP2 disc that is retail NOT OEM, so my question is as follows; Right now I have it running on an old AMD 1.4 Athlon machine but this is only a back up machine and I now want to get my main machine working and of course I want to put XP Pro SP2 on that, so bearing in mind it's a retail disc am I allowed to just install it on my other machine Intel P4, I will only be using one machine at a time so I guess I'm allowed to do this but don't want to get it wrong and also what's the deal with MS validation stuff, will it make MS go mad. As far as I knew this will cause no problems just so long as I only use one machine at a time, .... It's not that you can only "use" one machine at a time, but that the OS can only be *installed* on one machine at a time, regardless of whether or not which machine is in use. .... and this I will, I want it on main one as well as a working backup on the AMD machine but of course I would only use that if the Intel one died, hope I've made myself clear. Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not legitimately transferable), simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on and then install it on the new computer. If it's been more than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, the you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call. Here are the facts pertaining to activation: Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/ Windows Product Activation (WPA) http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm -- Bruce Chambers OK Bruce (and others) I'm getting the drift of it, so even if PC is not switched on the fact that it is loaded onto the drive is enough to break the license. Having said that how about taking an image of the AMD (Back up pc) machine burning that to DVD, then wiping the machine so no OS is on there, then run my Intel as normal and when/if it goes bang just reload that AMD image back onto the AMD machine. I'm not trying to be smart or anything like that I just want to be able to get my back pc running as fast as possible without a full install again, I know I will have to make phone call and explain why I need to activate again but I can see no problem with that. |
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Jim wrote:
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Jim wrote: I have a XP Pro SP2 disc that is retail NOT OEM, so my question is as follows; Right now I have it running on an old AMD 1.4 Athlon machine but this is only a back up machine and I now want to get my main machine working and of course I want to put XP Pro SP2 on that, so bearing in mind it's a retail disc am I allowed to just install it on my other machine Intel P4, I will only be using one machine at a time so I guess I'm allowed to do this but don't want to get it wrong and also what's the deal with MS validation stuff, will it make MS go mad. As far as I knew this will cause no problems just so long as I only use one machine at a time, .... It's not that you can only "use" one machine at a time, but that the OS can only be *installed* on one machine at a time, regardless of whether or not which machine is in use. .... and this I will, I want it on main one as well as a working backup on the AMD machine but of course I would only use that if the Intel one died, hope I've made myself clear. Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not legitimately transferable), simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on and then install it on the new computer. If it's been more than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, the you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call. Here are the facts pertaining to activation: Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/ Windows Product Activation (WPA) http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm -- Bruce Chambers OK Bruce (and others) I'm getting the drift of it, so even if PC is not switched on the fact that it is loaded onto the drive is enough to break the license. Having said that how about taking an image of the AMD (Back up pc) machine burning that to DVD, then wiping the machine so no OS is on there, then run my Intel as normal and when/if it goes bang just reload that AMD image back onto the AMD machine. That shouldn't be a problem, as the pertinent copyright law explicitly allows one to make an archival copy of the software. I'm not trying to be smart or anything like that I just want to be able to get my back pc running as fast as possible without a full install again, I know I will have to make phone call and explain why I need to activate again but I can see no problem with that. That being the case, why not keep imaged "backups" of the primary machine, rather than the old one? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... I'm not trying to be smart or anything like that I just want to be able to get my back pc running as fast as possible without a full install again, I know I will have to make phone call and explain why I need to activate again but I can see no problem with that. That being the case, why not keep imaged "backups" of the primary machine, rather than the old one? -- Bruce Chambers I do that Bruce on main PC, it's just that I'm recovering from hardware failure and that is my main concern, I do a full image back up every 3 days (only takes about 30 mins for main OS drives) but as I say it's hardware failure that worries me. Well now I know I can take an image of the AMD (back-up) machine then that's fine for my needs, once again thanks everyone for your help in this matter |
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'Jim' wrote, in part:
| Well now I know I can take an image of the AMD (back-up) machine then that's | fine for my needs, once again thanks everyone for your help in this matter _____ You still don't get it. How would you make an image of Windows XP installed on your old system? You would have to uninstall Windows XP from your main system, install it on the old system, activate the installation, make an image of the installation, uninstall Windows XP from the old system, reinstall Windows XP on your main system, and activate it on the new system. And of course, when you need the old system, uninstall Windows XP from the main system, load the image on the old system, .... If that's your idea of a good time, have at it Phil Weldon "Jim" luckyjim2000_2000atyahoo.com wrote in message ... | | "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message | ... | I'm not trying to be smart or anything like that I just want to be able | to get my back pc running as fast as possible without a full install | again, I know I will have to make phone call and explain why I need to | activate again but I can see no problem with that. | | That being the case, why not keep imaged "backups" of the primary machine, | rather than the old one? | | | -- | | Bruce Chambers | | I do that Bruce on main PC, it's just that I'm recovering from hardware | failure and that is my main concern, I do a full image back up every 3 days | (only takes about 30 mins for main OS drives) but as I say it's hardware | failure that worries me. | | Well now I know I can take an image of the AMD (back-up) machine then that's | fine for my needs, once again thanks everyone for your help in this matter | | |
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Malke wrote:
"Jim" luckyjim2000_2000atyahoo.com wrote: I have a XP Pro SP2 disc that is retail NOT OEM, so my question is as follows; Right now I have it running on an old AMD 1.4 Athlon machine but this is only a back up machine and I now want to get my main machine working and of course I want to put XP Pro SP2 on that, so bearing in mind it's a (snip) Yes. That is the advantage of the retail version - it is completely transferable from any machine to any machine as long as it is only used on one machine at a time. Malke Actually, no, that's not right. He can not have the SAME XP installed on two different computers and keep the updates and support going. Activation will only support one machine. To get them both to run properly with the udpates et al, he'll need a second license: One for each machine. Technically at least. It -might- work if he never lets one machine connect to the 'net and doesn't mind not getting any updates etc., for it. But both machines will never be able to be up to date or pass the auth checks in support, etc, without a second license in place. HTH, and if I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't think I am. Pop` |
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