Sonic DLA Now Fixed?

Tell us all about DRM and why it sucks.

DSH

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:25:19 -0600, "Dale" wrote:

The whole signed driver thing for the audio and CD thing is, as I
understand
it, all part of the DRM features in Vista. DRM sucks. But Sonic knew it
was coming. The problem with Sonic incompatibility is Sonic's fault, not
Microsoft's.

How much you get paid for being a Microsoft shill Dale?

Very Helpful...

Thank You Kindly.

"Through a CLERICAL ERROR"...

I wonder what the REAL STORY is behind that gaffe... G

And WHOSE "Clerical Error" -- Sonic's/Roxio's/Microsoft's?

"Clerical Error" is another one of those weasel words and phrases like
"TYPO" and "MISTAKES WERE MADE" hiding the infamous ANONYMOUS ERROR that
inconveniences tens of thousands, sometimes millions, of people -- and hides
the crimes of a few.

DSH

"Hubert" wrote in message
...

I did not express myself clearly enough, I went to the Dell site and also
to
the Roxio site and each had a notice with instructions to eliminate the
error
message.

In the Roxio answer there is this comment un der "Cause":

"Through a clerical error. a driver is incorrectly being blocked as
incompatible with Windows Vista. In fact all Easy Media Creator 9 products
including the latest version of MyDVD and Record Now are fully compatible
with Windows Vista".
Thanks for your post,
Hubert.


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

How did you receive the notices from Dell and Roxio?

I have a Dell with Sonic DLA installed and did not receive any notices.

DSH

"Hubert" wrote in message
...

Thank you so much for the informative post, Bill, I have the notice
from
Dell and also the one from Roxio. My feeling is that it is up to Dell
to
configure the preinstalled items in such a way thet there is NO
conflict.
I
expect my brand new system to work without me, a customers, resolving
an
error. Should not Dell have checked their final hard drive image before
sending them out to customers? As to whose fault it is, I could not
care
less. I thought that by now Dell would have changed their configuration
so
that this persistent error does not happen, that was the reason for my
post.
Errors do happen, I worked in computer programming since the early 50's
until
I retired, and I have seen (and made) a fair share. Well, maybe someone
with
a new system will tell us that this error is no longer appearing.
Thanks
again for the detailed post, Bill.

Hubert.

Nah, there's enough trolling in here already. And I participate in
responding to it enough already. We all know about DRM and why it's bad.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Tell us all about DRM and why it sucks.

DSH

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:25:19 -0600, "Dale" wrote:

The whole signed driver thing for the audio and CD thing is, as I
understand
it, all part of the DRM features in Vista. DRM sucks. But Sonic knew it
was coming. The problem with Sonic incompatibility is Sonic's fault, not
Microsoft's.

How much you get paid for being a Microsoft shill Dale?

"Dale" simply doesn't understand the larger STRATEGIC and LEGAL issues
here -- and the Game of Chicken that is being played.

Because he's naïve.

DSH

"Dale" wrote in message
...

Read my comments in the thread about gadgets. Or in any thread about DRM.
Or read where the Microsoft employee who plays distracter in the Windows
Media Player groups calls me evil.

I'm not a Microsoft shill at all.

But this is not a case of each company pointing their finger and neither
taking responsibility. This is definitely Sonic's responsibility. They
new it was coming.

Dale

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:25:19 -0600, "Dale" wrote:

The whole signed driver thing for the audio and CD thing is, as I
understand
it, all part of the DRM features in Vista. DRM sucks. But Sonic knew it
was coming. The problem with Sonic incompatibility is Sonic's fault, not
Microsoft's.

How much you get paid for being a Microsoft shill Dale?

Dale is also afraid to back up his bugling and grandstanding with EVIDENCE.

So he backs off.

This is what he said:

"DRM sucks."

But he can't defend that casual, unsupported assertion with FACTS...

So, he runs for the tall grass with his tail between his legs.

No Surprises There.

DSH

"Dale" wrote in message
...

Nah, there's enough trolling in here already. And I participate in
responding to it enough already. We all know about DRM and why it's bad.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Tell us all about DRM and why it sucks.

DSH

Feel free to fill us in on the strategic and legal issues. And where you
got your law degree.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
"Dale" simply doesn't understand the larger STRATEGIC and LEGAL issues
here -- and the Game of Chicken that is being played.

Because he's naïve.

DSH

"Dale" wrote in message
...

Read my comments in the thread about gadgets. Or in any thread about
DRM. Or read where the Microsoft employee who plays distracter in the
Windows Media Player groups calls me evil.

I'm not a Microsoft shill at all.

But this is not a case of each company pointing their finger and neither
taking responsibility. This is definitely Sonic's responsibility. They
new it was coming.

Dale

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:25:19 -0600, "Dale" wrote:

The whole signed driver thing for the audio and CD thing is, as I
understand
it, all part of the DRM features in Vista. DRM sucks. But Sonic knew
it
was coming. The problem with Sonic incompatibility is Sonic's fault,
not
Microsoft's.

How much you get paid for being a Microsoft shill Dale?

Search the group for posts with Dale and DRM in them. I have voiced my
feelings about what is wrong with DRM many times. So I would only have been
jumping through your hoop to respond to your request. I don't do parlor
tricks.

If you feel my statement that DRM sucks is wrong, feel free to fill us in
with what it is you like about DRM.

Dale


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Dale is also afraid to back up his bugling and grandstanding with
EVIDENCE.

So he backs off.

This is what he said:

"DRM sucks."

But he can't defend that casual, unsupported assertion with FACTS...

So, he runs for the tall grass with his tail between his legs.

No Surprises There.

DSH

"Dale" wrote in message
...

Nah, there's enough trolling in here already. And I participate in
responding to it enough already. We all know about DRM and why it's bad.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Tell us all about DRM and why it sucks.

DSH

But this is not a case of each [sic] company [sic] pointing their [sic]
finger and neither taking responsibility. This is definitely Sonic's
responsibility. They new [sic] it was coming. -- Pogue Dale

--------------Cordon Sanitaire--------------------------------------------

1. I have no intention of interfering with Microsoft's Game Plan.

2. To do so would be quite unethical.

3. Pogue Dale is obviously quite clueless on these more complex legal and
strategic matters involving the software business and Microsoft's position
in it.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Pogue Dale has asserted:

"DRM sucks."

The Burden of PROOF for that anserine assertion is on HIM.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

That's what I thought. You have nothing to say, you're just trolling.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
But this is not a case of each [sic] company [sic] pointing their [sic]
finger and neither taking responsibility. This is definitely Sonic's
responsibility. They new [sic] it was coming. -- Pogue Dale

--------------Cordon Sanitaire--------------------------------------------

1. I have no intention of interfering with Microsoft's Game Plan.

2. To do so would be quite unethical.

3. Pogue Dale is obviously quite clueless on these more complex legal and
strategic matters involving the software business and Microsoft's position
in it.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Like I said above. You're just trolling.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Pogue Dale has asserted:

"DRM sucks."

The Burden of PROOF for that anserine assertion is on HIM.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Dale wrote:

That's what I thought. You have nothing to say, you're just trolling.


That became clear to me some months ago. He's been killfiled here ever
since.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
But this is not a case of each [sic] company [sic] pointing their
[sic] finger and neither taking responsibility. This is definitely
Sonic's responsibility. They new [sic] it was coming. -- Pogue Dale

--------------Cordon
Sanitaire--------------------------------------------

1. I have no intention of interfering with Microsoft's Game Plan.

2. To do so would be quite unethical.

3. Pogue Dale is obviously quite clueless on these more complex
legal and strategic matters involving the software business and
Microsoft's position in it.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

from my reply to post of:
wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:00 PM
This driver is blocked due to compatibility issues - Sonic Solutions

had problem with new dell vista home premium desktop.
only answering as a dell system customer, & their fix which worked for me.

first area i searched was this forum:
http://www.dellcommunity.com/support...thread.id=8536
(page six has answer)

in the forum was a link to roxio. it discusses cause:
http://kb.roxio.com/content/kb/Creator/000131CR (this page loads slowly)


the dell fix is he
http://support.dell.com/support/topi...3&l=en &s=gen

i'm offering my experience only with a new dell system, e521 model. i am not
experienced enough to offer tech advice. i come here for that. only trying
to pay back for what these microsoft newsgroups have given so freely to me!

thank you. len kiesling



"Hubert" wrote in message
...

Thank you so much for the informative post, Bill, I have the notice from
Dell and also the one from Roxio. My feeling is that it is up to Dell to
configure the preinstalled items in such a way thet there is NO conflict.
I
expect my brand new system to work without me, a customers, resolving an
error. Should not Dell have checked their final hard drive image before
sending them out to customers? As to whose fault it is, I could not care
less. I thought that by now Dell would have changed their configuration so
that this persistent error does not happen, that was the reason for my
post.
Errors do happen, I worked in computer programming since the early 50's
until
I retired, and I have seen (and made) a fair share. Well, maybe someone
with
a new system will tell us that this error is no longer appearing. Thanks
again for the detailed post, Bill.
Hubert.

"Non-entity" wrote:

Sonic has assimilated Roxio; Sonic's name appears in Roxio products since
the merger, at times.

The DLA issue has been a big mess, as there was no problem until
Microsoft
issued a day 0 "fix" that made about 20? programs more compatible with
Vista - and yet marked the DLA driver Roxio (written by Sonic) as a "bad
driver." For many it causes non-stop "bad driver" error messages, and
they
keep coming back. I don't know if this driver is used by anyone other
than
Easy Media Creator 9, but it seems particularly difficult to get rid of.
I
just installed the program and didn't see the message, though - I
deselected
via custom install a lot of items in Easy Whatever that I don't use, and
BEFORE rebooting got rid of drag to disc - I think this is where the
driver
gets installed. Fingers and toes crossed, this install won't be
problematical because I did remove drag-to-disc before rebooting after
install. Seems Roxio doesn't think much of MS doing a day 0 poatch
(1/31)
that broke their program that DID work before the patch. There is also
an
MSKB article that shows steps to remove the patch from MS, for now.

You can read up on this on the Roxio message boards, look for support for
Easy Media Creator 9 - it was supposed to be Vista compliant. Now they
are
going to evidently take their customer's good nature for granted and take
until April to release 9.1, at least that's what I saw in the support
board
at roxio.com.

If your Dell came with Roxio burning software, by all means call Dell. I
believe they have a file that will banish this troublesome driver for
you.

Roxio takes the stance that it's a "harmless" driver warning, however it
caused MSMAIL on my machine to stay resident in memory after being closed
(and so it wouldn't reopen unless the machine was rebooted). It also
caused
Forte Agent Newsreader (no, don't use it often) to download everything at
a
crawl - even just headers were slow. Removed all of Easy Whatever 9 and
both programs behaved normally.

From all I've read of this, Dell has the answer for when you're already
getting the message in the form of a file (15 megs, don't know why so
big)
that uninstalls the bad driver and other programs that were dependent on
it
(like drag to disk).

I don't have a Dell, but if you can't find this, at least check in the
message forums at roxio - the patch has been mentioned and the URL given.
It is likely Dell has Roxio s/w installed (and if Roxio is installed,
then
Sonic is as well).

Not many definitive answers around here about ANYTHING, frustrating, when
you're having problems. Calling MS support has only resulted in 4 1/2
hours
on the phone, most of them spent on hold; and their "bottom line" was to
get
rid of this driver or the whole program, or whatever, but it was NOT A
MICROSOFT PROBLEM. Makes me feel like recommending Vista to all my
friends
(not). I hate to admit they (MS) were right, but removing Easy Media
Creator 9 put my computer back to perfect working condition.

I ran out of room for my last good XP image and had to erase it, else I'd
be
going back to it for awhile. I thought this time would be different;
with
the long lead times for Vista I thought s/w houses would have their stuff
in
order THIS TIME (never has happened before, but I thought maybe THIS
TIME).
I was wrong. I'm also waiting on Hewlitt Packard to release it's
comprehensive s/w package that goes along with my 7210 all-in-one
printer.
I wonder how long it will be...


Bill Halvorsen




"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
This sounds as if it's from someone who worked on Vista -- and is
chagrined.

DSH

"Dale" wrote in message
...

If not, you should perhaps spend less time here and more time on
Sonic's
site flaming their products.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Hmmmmmmm...

Sonic DLA does NOT work in Vista?

DSH

"Hubert" wrote in message
...

Before purchasing a new Dell Vista equipped system I wonder whether
any
readers here have purchased a system in the last 6 days and did NOT
have the
incompatibility problem? Maybe people without this problem do not
read
this
post?
Well, I am trying.
Thanks,
Hubert.






"Dale" wrote in message
...
The whole signed driver thing for the audio and CD thing is, as I
understand it, all part of the DRM features in Vista. DRM sucks. But
Sonic knew it was coming. The problem with Sonic incompatibility is
Sonic's fault, not Microsoft's.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
VERY fine post.

Yes, I have a Dell XPS system, AM using Sonic drag to disc -- and I use
it often.

Well, no "upgrade" to Vista for ME for a while.

Thank you very much for your post.

Day 0 "fix"...

That's appalling.

DSH

"Non-entity" wrote in message
...

Sonic has assimilated Roxio; Sonic's name appears in Roxio products
since the merger, at times.

The DLA issue has been a big mess, as there was no problem until
Microsoft issued a day 0 "fix" that made about 20? programs more
compatible with Vista - and yet marked the DLA driver Roxio (written by
Sonic) as a "bad driver." For many it causes non-stop "bad driver"
error messages, and they keep coming back. I don't know if this driver
is used by anyone other than Easy Media Creator 9, but it seems
particularly difficult to get rid of. I just installed the program and
didn't see the message, though - I deselected via custom install a lot
of items in Easy Whatever that I don't use, and BEFORE rebooting got rid
of drag to disc - I think this is where the driver gets installed.
Fingers and toes crossed, this install won't be problematical because I
did remove drag-to-disc before rebooting after install. Seems Roxio
doesn't think much of MS doing a day 0 poatch (1/31) that broke their
program that DID work before the patch. There is also an MSKB article
that shows steps to remove the patch from MS, for now.

You can read up on this on the Roxio message boards, look for support
for Easy Media Creator 9 - it was supposed to be Vista compliant. Now
they are going to evidently take their customer's good nature for
granted and take until April to release 9.1, at least that's what I saw
in the support board at roxio.com.

If your Dell came with Roxio burning software, by all means call Dell.
I believe they have a file that will banish this troublesome driver for
you.

Roxio takes the stance that it's a "harmless" driver warning, however it
caused MSMAIL on my machine to stay resident in memory after being
closed (and so it wouldn't reopen unless the machine was rebooted). It
also caused Forte Agent Newsreader (no, don't use it often) to download
everything at a crawl - even just headers were slow. Removed all of
Easy Whatever 9 and both programs behaved normally.

From all I've read of this, Dell has the answer for when you're already
getting the message in the form of a file (15 megs, don't know why so
big) that uninstalls the bad driver and other programs that were
dependent on it (like drag to disk).

I don't have a Dell, but if you can't find this, at least check in the
message forums at roxio - the patch has been mentioned and the URL
given. It is likely Dell has Roxio s/w installed (and if Roxio is
installed, then Sonic is as well).

Not many definitive answers around here about ANYTHING, frustrating,
when you're having problems. Calling MS support has only resulted in 4
1/2 hours on the phone, most of them spent on hold; and their "bottom
line" was to get rid of this driver or the whole program, or whatever,
but it was NOT A MICROSOFT PROBLEM. Makes me feel like recommending
Vista to all my friends (not). I hate to admit they (MS) were right,
but removing Easy Media Creator 9 put my computer back to perfect
working condition.

I ran out of room for my last good XP image and had to erase it, else
I'd be going back to it for awhile. I thought this time would be
different; with the long lead times for Vista I thought s/w houses would
have their stuff in order THIS TIME (never has happened before, but I
thought maybe THIS TIME). I was wrong. I'm also waiting on Hewlitt
Packard to release it's comprehensive s/w package that goes along with
my 7210 all-in-one printer. I wonder how long it will be...


Bill Halvorsen

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

This sounds as if it's from someone who worked on Vista -- and is
chagrined.

DSH

"Dale" wrote in message
...

If not, you should perhaps spend less time here and more time on
Sonic's site flaming their products.

Dale

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Hmmmmmmm...

Sonic DLA does NOT work in Vista?

DSH

"Hubert" wrote in message
...

Before purchasing a new Dell Vista equipped system I wonder whether
any
readers here have purchased a system in the last 6 days and did NOT
have the
incompatibility problem? Maybe people without this problem do not
read this
post?
Well, I am trying.
Thanks,
Hubert.

when I just installed office 2007 enterprise on my Hp laptop with windows vista original copy on it, the roxio easy media creator 9 stopped working and gave a problem message, microsoft problem solving site didn't have any solution!
i have to do system recovery and again installed office 2007 which produced the same problem, this problem disappeared after I uninstalled Office 2007 then Roxio burner worked normally again

Any ideas or solutions from experts
thanks

EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
http://www.eggheadcafe.com

when I just installed office 2007 enterprise on my Hp laptop with windows vista original copy on it, the roxio easy media creator 9 stopped working and gave a problem message, microsoft problem solving site didn't have any solution!
i have to do system recovery and again installed office 2007 which produced the same problem, this problem disappeared after I uninstalled Office 2007 then Roxio burner worked normally again

Any ideas or solutions from experts
thanks

EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
http://www.eggheadcafe.com