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Old February 5th 18, 10:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Black Baptist
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Default slow restarting

When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the desktop. I
have no items in startup via the registry or startup items in the startup
folder(s). I'm on a i7 8 cores and 32 gigs of ram and a 500 gig ssd drive
and no issues with the drive having fragmentation.

thnx for any tips/help
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Old February 5th 18, 10:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Black Baptist wrote:

When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the desktop. I
have no items in startup via the registry or startup items in the startup
folder(s). I'm on a i7 8 cores and 32 gigs of ram and a 500 gig ssd drive
and no issues with the drive having fragmentation.


https://www.digitalcitizen.life/4-wa...ode-windows-10

Then time how long to boot in safe mode to the desktop.
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Old February 5th 18, 10:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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Default slow restarting

"Black Baptist" wrote

| When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the desktop.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns

Autoruns. The only good way to manage startup programs,
services, etc.

While you're there, you might want to check out:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...als/downloads/

There are lots of useful things there. Especially
Process Monitor and Process Explorer. The first lets
you see what's happening on disk and in the Registry,
in real time. The second is similar to task manager,
but does a much better job of telling you what's running,
what dependent files are loaded, etc.

It's a good idea to keep copies of the tools from
Sysinternals. Probably one of these days Microsoft will
just remove them from online, as they do with so
many things.

The tools were written by one Mark Russinovich
who now works for MS but originally wrote these tools
and worked as an instructor at tech workshops. He's
pretty much as expert as anyone gets.

I still use Regmon and Filemon instead of Procmon,
which incorporates both. But Procmon is slow. When
you decide to freeze the output, *it* freezes for up
to a minute, claiming that it's working on "disconnecting".
Filemon and Regmon have no such problems, but
they're no longer available.



  #4  
Old February 7th 18, 06:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Black Baptist
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Default slow restarting

"Mayayana" wrote in news5aj7l$t5m$1@dont-
email.me:

"Black Baptist" wrote

| When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the desktop.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns

Autoruns. The only good way to manage startup programs,
services, etc.

While you're there, you might want to check out:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...als/downloads/

There are lots of useful things there. Especially
Process Monitor and Process Explorer. The first lets
you see what's happening on disk and in the Registry,
in real time. The second is similar to task manager,
but does a much better job of telling you what's running,
what dependent files are loaded, etc.

It's a good idea to keep copies of the tools from
Sysinternals. Probably one of these days Microsoft will
just remove them from online, as they do with so
many things.

The tools were written by one Mark Russinovich
who now works for MS but originally wrote these tools
and worked as an instructor at tech workshops. He's
pretty much as expert as anyone gets.

I still use Regmon and Filemon instead of Procmon,
which incorporates both. But Procmon is slow. When
you decide to freeze the output, *it* freezes for up
to a minute, claiming that it's working on "disconnecting".
Filemon and Regmon have no such problems, but
they're no longer available.





Yea I've been using sysinternals apps for quite some time and they were no
help in trouble shooting the long restarting problem.
  #5  
Old February 7th 18, 07:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default slow restarting

VanguardLH wrote:

Black Baptist wrote:

When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the desktop. I
have no items in startup via the registry or startup items in the startup
folder(s). I'm on a i7 8 cores and 32 gigs of ram and a 500 gig ssd drive
and no issues with the drive having fragmentation.


https://www.digitalcitizen.life/4-wa...ode-windows-10

Then time how long to boot in safe mode to the desktop.


In addition, there are tools to profile the boot process, like:

https://helgeklein.com/blog/2013/07/...rder-analyzer/
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...mance-analyzer

Did you disable Windows 10's Fast Startup option? That sacrifices
shutdown time (to record state) to make startup faster.

https://lifehacker.com/enable-this-s...ter-1743697169

In your reply to Mayayana, you said you already know or tried various
SysInternals' tools. Did you ever try ProcMon's boot logging?

https://www.msigeek.com/6231/how-to-...s-monitor-tool
http://woshub.com/using-process-moni...boot-problems/
  #6  
Old February 7th 18, 06:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default slow restarting

Black Baptist wrote:
"Mayayana" wrote in news5aj7l$t5m$1@dont-
email.me:

"Black Baptist" wrote

| When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the desktop.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns

Autoruns. The only good way to manage startup programs,
services, etc.

While you're there, you might want to check out:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...als/downloads/

There are lots of useful things there. Especially
Process Monitor and Process Explorer. The first lets
you see what's happening on disk and in the Registry,
in real time. The second is similar to task manager,
but does a much better job of telling you what's running,
what dependent files are loaded, etc.

It's a good idea to keep copies of the tools from
Sysinternals. Probably one of these days Microsoft will
just remove them from online, as they do with so
many things.

The tools were written by one Mark Russinovich
who now works for MS but originally wrote these tools
and worked as an instructor at tech workshops. He's
pretty much as expert as anyone gets.

I still use Regmon and Filemon instead of Procmon,
which incorporates both. But Procmon is slow. When
you decide to freeze the output, *it* freezes for up
to a minute, claiming that it's working on "disconnecting".
Filemon and Regmon have no such problems, but
they're no longer available.

Yea I've been using sysinternals apps for quite some time and they were no
help in trouble shooting the long restarting problem.


You can use xbootmgr and xperf or xbootmgr and wpa to
trace startup. Here, I compare two recent OS versions.
For some reason, the one with the later patches is slower.
The SSD one is slower to start than the one with a
regular HDD hard drive.

https://s9.postimg.org/dmso6bea7/xbootmgr_and_wpa.gif

You can get a WADK kit from here.

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...deployment-kit

The thing it downloads is a stub loader.

If you check the properties of the downloaded stub loader,
it says what release it is. This might have been my 16299 one.

http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...k/adksetup.exe

Now, the whole WADK is 4GB if you download the whole thing.

But the Windows Performance Toolkit is only 150MB, and is
a single tick box in the stub downloader dialog box. It
doesn't take too long to download the CAB and friends for that.
You don't need the rest of it, for the time being.

Once installed, you'll have a new folder in your Program Files
for Windows Kits, and a folder below that which says "10".

Somewhere down there, is xbootmgr.exe .

Open an Administrator command prompt.

Create a folder to dump the output. You'll need up
to around 1GB of storage space. I use C:\TEMP in my examples.
I made my C:\TEMP from my regular account, to make it
easier to access later.

cd /d C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\10 ... === CD to where xbootmgr is

xbootmgr -trace boot -traceFlags BASE+CSWITCH+DRIVERS+POWER -resultPath C:\TEMP

The *instant* you issue the xbootmgr call, the system will
reboot. You have about five seconds warning or so.

The computer will reboot, and a trace file gets dumped into C:\TEMP.

For up to two minutes after reboot, there will be a dialog on the
screen, telling you it's still capturing the trace. If you're bored,
you can truncate the trace. Or, let it run to completion. I let my
two go to completion.

Then, you navigate to C:\TEMP. Right click the .etl
file (the only really big file), and the open options
include the new wpa.exe you have installed.

Then after the file is parsed, you get graphs to look at.

They're not useful graphs, but those are your diagnostic info.

In my case, I can't believe that SMSS is holding up the
computer, but what I notice is a "dead time" during which
the LED on the SATA port stops flashing, and the CPU is
probably railed doing something. I thought in my case,
it might be the initialization of my RAMDisk, but I doubt
that's it. Because the 16299.98 boot sequence is faster
for no apparent reason.

Paul
  #7  
Old September 11th 18, 09:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Black Baptist
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Default slow restarting

Black Baptist wrote in
:

"Mayayana" wrote in news5aj7l$t5m$1@dont-
email.me:

"Black Baptist" wrote

| When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the
| desktop.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns

Autoruns. The only good way to manage startup programs,
services, etc.

While you're there, you might want to check out:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...als/downloads/

There are lots of useful things there. Especially
Process Monitor and Process Explorer. The first lets
you see what's happening on disk and in the Registry,
in real time. The second is similar to task manager,
but does a much better job of telling you what's running,
what dependent files are loaded, etc.

It's a good idea to keep copies of the tools from
Sysinternals. Probably one of these days Microsoft will
just remove them from online, as they do with so
many things.

The tools were written by one Mark Russinovich
who now works for MS but originally wrote these tools
and worked as an instructor at tech workshops. He's
pretty much as expert as anyone gets.

I still use Regmon and Filemon instead of Procmon,
which incorporates both. But Procmon is slow. When
you decide to freeze the output, *it* freezes for up
to a minute, claiming that it's working on "disconnecting".
Filemon and Regmon have no such problems, but
they're no longer available.





Yea I've been using sysinternals apps for quite some time and they
were no help in trouble shooting the long restarting problem.


I solved it my option to clear the pagefile was set to 1 in the registry.
  #8  
Old September 12th 18, 01:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default slow restarting

Black Baptist wrote:
Black Baptist wrote in
:

"Mayayana" wrote in news5aj7l$t5m$1@dont-
email.me:

"Black Baptist" wrote

| When I select restart it takes 4-5 minutes to get back to the
| desktop.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns

Autoruns. The only good way to manage startup programs,
services, etc.

While you're there, you might want to check out:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...als/downloads/

There are lots of useful things there. Especially
Process Monitor and Process Explorer. The first lets
you see what's happening on disk and in the Registry,
in real time. The second is similar to task manager,
but does a much better job of telling you what's running,
what dependent files are loaded, etc.

It's a good idea to keep copies of the tools from
Sysinternals. Probably one of these days Microsoft will
just remove them from online, as they do with so
many things.

The tools were written by one Mark Russinovich
who now works for MS but originally wrote these tools
and worked as an instructor at tech workshops. He's
pretty much as expert as anyone gets.

I still use Regmon and Filemon instead of Procmon,
which incorporates both. But Procmon is slow. When
you decide to freeze the output, *it* freezes for up
to a minute, claiming that it's working on "disconnecting".
Filemon and Regmon have no such problems, but
they're no longer available.




Yea I've been using sysinternals apps for quite some time and they
were no help in trouble shooting the long restarting problem.


I solved it my option to clear the pagefile was set to 1 in the registry.


You could crank down the size of the pagefile. About 512MB
is as small as I'd go. My "standard" value here on all
Windows installs is 1GB. I also set the pagefile to a fixed
size, rather than let the system manage it.

It shouldn't take long to clean a 1GB pagefile.

Paul
 




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