Single file web pages?

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:36:18 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-04-10 11:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
[...]
I'm not familiar with the terms you're using. Local node means the fibre cabinet? The phone exchange? Mine is far from overloaded, I've never seen less than full bandwidth on a speed test or downloading a file.

A box that connects a group of subscribers to the local server. Our
local node is in the building that houses the telephone exchange. It's
been covered in metal to make a Faraday cage to prevent drive-by 'net
scavenging. It also prevents interference. If everybody in our town used
DSL, there would have to be additional nodes. In cities, my ISP now
offers "Fibe", optical fibre connections in place of copper. I'd love to
have fibre here.

Nobody connects all the way to the exchange anymore do they? There are little green cabinets about a metre or so across that terminate the fibre and connect to copper phone lines to each house.

What is "local server"?

The nearest actual server, the one to which you have a direct physical
connection. I happen to know where ours is. The internet is a web of
servers.

Er.... no. Surely if I view a BBC web page, the only server is at BBC HQ. Inbetween that and me are **routers** owned by the BBC, my ISP, and BT.

Most of the connection is optical fibre, but locally it's
usually copper, and in sparsely settled regions it's often microwave.

I'm copper for a few hundred yards, then it's fibre.

Elon Musk wants to set up a blanket of satellites to replace fibre and
copper as much as possible. Each of these would be a server.

Way too much ping time. I used to have a satellite broadband connection. Ping of 250ms.

--
Why is there only one Monopolies Commission?

Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-04-10 11:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
[...]
I'm not familiar with the terms you're using. Local node means the
fibre cabinet? The phone exchange? Mine is far from overloaded,
I've never seen less than full bandwidth on a speed test or
downloading a file.

A box that connects a group of subscribers to the local server. Our
local node is in the building that houses the telephone exchange. It's
been covered in metal to make a Faraday cage to prevent drive-by 'net
scavenging. It also prevents interference. If everybody in our town
used DSL, there would have to be additional nodes. In cities, my ISP now
offers "Fibe", optical fibre connections in place of copper. I'd love
to have fibre here.

What is "local server"?

The nearest actual server, the one to which you have a direct physical
connection. I happen to know where ours is. The internet is a web of
servers. Most of the connection is optical fibre, but locally it's
usually copper, and in sparsely settled regions it's often microwave.
Elon Musk wants to set up a blanket of satellites to replace fibre and
copper as much as possible. Each of these would be a server.

You are all replying to a very well known troll and sociopath.
Peter Hucker.
AKA:
Gefreiter Kruger
PHucker
Uncle Peter
Tough Guy no 1265
Lieutenant Scot
Mr Macaw
James Wilkinson
James Wilkinson Sword

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:58:48 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-04-10 13:49, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
[...]
Nobody connects all the way to the exchange anymore do they? There are little green cabinets about a metre or so across that terminate the fibre and connect to copper phone lines to each house.
[...]

Depends on where you are.

AFAIK 95% of the UK now has it.

--
Lord of the undone flies - the island of reluctant but inevitable homosexuality.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:50:44 +0100, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

You are all replying to a very well known troll and sociopath.
Peter Hucker.
AKA:
Gefreiter Kruger PHucker Uncle Peter Tough Guy no 1265 Lieutenant Scot
Mr Macaw James Wilkinson James Wilkinson Sword

Wasn't he also "Ian Field" in there, before the "Wilkinsons?"

On 11/04/2017 1:46 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Chicken.


Duck? Goose? Pigeons?

--
@~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!!
/ v \ Simplicity is Beauty!
/( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you!
^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3
�借貸! ��騙! ��交! �打交! �打劫! �自殺! 請考慮綜� (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa

On 11/04/2017 3:57 AM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Most people do walk away from this psychopath.
Some Peter Hucker quotes:
Still claiming tax credits are you?

Do you know how some countries manufacture and collect psychopaths into
hospitals to justify huge medical expenses and extra headcounts? These
patients, because losing the ability to communicate, could also be used
to test drugs, therapies, surgeries sometimes dark magic.

It's big business!

--
@~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!!
/ v \ Simplicity is Beauty!
/( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you!
^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3
�借貸! ��騙! ��交! �打交! �打劫! �自殺! 請考慮綜� (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa

On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:36:10 +0100, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 11/04/2017 1:46 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Chicken.


Duck? Goose? Pigeons?

Not sure why we use the word chicken - cats are the most scared things.

--
Why does the law society prohibit sex between lawyers and their clients?
To prevent clients from being billed twice for essentially the same service.

We are going way off-topic. Let's end here, not to waste your time.

See you!

--
@~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!!
/ v \ Simplicity is Beauty!
/( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you!
^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3
�借貸! ��騙! ��交! �打交! �打劫! �自殺! 請考慮綜� (CSSA):
http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:36:18 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-04-10 11:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
[...]
I'm not familiar with the terms you're using. Local node means the fibre cabinet? The phone exchange? Mine is far from overloaded, I've never seen less than full bandwidth on a speed test or downloading a file.

What is "local server"?

The nearest actual server, the one to which you have a direct physical
connection.

Gee, that didn't help to clear things up at all. :-) Are you describing
something specific to DSL? Local server? Actual server? Direct physical
connection? Are you describing something within your home? The terms
you're using are exceedingly vague.

I happen to know where ours is.

It's probably in your house, then, right? Is it your gateway router?

The internet is a web of servers.

Well, no, but many of the Internet-connected nodes are servers of some
sort. I wouldn't want to put any percentages on it, but probably a
quarter or so?

I would have said the Internet is a network of interconnected networks.
It's particularly important to leave 'web' out of the description, lest
people think the WWW *is* the Internet, and vice versa. Don't laugh,
I've run into people who already think that.

Most of the connection is optical fibre, but locally it's
usually copper, and in sparsely settled regions it's often microwave.
Elon Musk wants to set up a blanket of satellites to replace fibre and
copper as much as possible. Each of these would be a server.

The satellites would be servers? In what way? I probably should have
started off with this, but what's your definition of a server?

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 10:03:35 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-04-18 01:58, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:36:18 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

On 2017-04-10 11:11, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
[...]
I'm not familiar with the terms you're using. Local node means the fibre cabinet? The phone exchange? Mine is far from overloaded, I've never seen less than full bandwidth on a speed test or downloading a file.

What is "local server"?

The nearest actual server, the one to which you have a direct physical
connection.

Gee, that didn't help to clear things up at all. :-)

After reading your questions and comments, I agree there's a fuzzy
terminology problem. I know there's a DSL node about 400 meters from me.
There's a server as I understand the term about 10km down the highway.
Three different ISPs use it to service half a dozen communities. I call
it a server because I was told that's what it was.

I'm not super familiar with DSL architectures, but the node sounds like
it may be a DSLAM (DSL Access Multiplexer), and the "server" down the
road might be a type of bridge or router. I checked a couple of diagrams
and some called it a Node Route Processor, which sounds on the surface
as if it's a router, but they described it as running in bridged mode,
which sounds more like a bridge.

I understand "server"
to mean a computer that connects parts of a network to each other and
arbitrates traffic between those parts.

Parts of a network, or multiple networks, are rarely connected to each
other with a server. Much more often, different networks are connected
to each other by routers, but different parts of a single network can be
connected to each other by switches, bridges, or if the calendar shows
20 years ago, hubs. If you were to join two parts of a network with a
router, you'd end up with two networks.

Those parts may of course be
networks. It may also provide access to stored data and software, but I
don't think of those as essential services of a server any more,
although that was so when networks were first devised.

That's pretty much the primary definition of a server: a computer being
used to provide access to services and/or stored data.

By contrast, a router merely connects devices into a network. It doesn't
arbitrate the traffic, each device recognises data intended for it and
ignores the rest.

That's a switch. A router doesn't connect devices into a network; it
connects two or more networks to each other so that traffic can
intelligently flow between the two networks. The Internet is a series of
these interconnected networks, all connected to each other by routers.
The routers advertise the networks to which they are connected, so that
other routers know if they can use them to get one step closer to a
specific destination; i.e., a hop.

Terms used: hub, switch, bridge, router, server