Please stop calling them apps!

On 5/18/19 9:06 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

And anyway, how you get the tan is critical. You have to get it slowly,
avoiding burning.

Depends what you mean by burning.* I go in the shade when my skin starts
going red.* One or two days later it's fully recovered.* Works for me.

It really is absurd that anyone would think a natural thing (the sun)
which has been there ever since mankind appeared could possibly be
harmful to us.

Plutonium is believed to have existed at the time Earth formed,
therefore it isn't harmful either. Milk is a relative latecomer, stay
away from that.

:-)

--
"To be a Christian, you must "pluck out the eye of reason." [Martin
Luther]

On 18/05/2019 16.05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 14:37:49 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 18/05/2019 15.31, Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/18/19 6:14 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 23:59:29 +0100, T wrote:

On 5/17/19 6:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't know anyone who calls their browser google.* They say
"chrome".

I get it all-the-time.

q.* what browser are you using?
a.* I don't have one

q.* how do you surf the Internet
a.* Google

q.* what does the icon look like that you click on
a.* Its Google (annoyed voice)

q. describe the google icon
a. look like an orange fox chasing his tail


You get the picture

:'(

I know some computer illiterate people, but I've never heard of anyone
that stupid.* Perhaps they don't know the name of the browser, but
they call it "the internet icon".

Sadly, they do exist.* :-(

I don't think a person is stupid for not knowing what the bendix drive
is, or firefox, or the law of gravity.

Not knowing the law of gravity is monumentally stupid.* I assume you
don't mean knowing the precise formula.

Nope, I mean the law. They are simply people that do not understand
physics, or mechanics, or computers. There are dyslexics people that
have great difficulty at reading, and do badly at school. It is an
illness. Another is discalculia, they can't learn mathematics, even
trivial things. And some of them have a higher than normal IQ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 18/05/2019 16.06, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 13:38:02 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 17/05/2019 23.57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 21:38:36 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 17/05/2019 22.08, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 02:04:04 +0100, Eric Stevens
wrote:


Maybe you are excused in this case as you live in Scotland. However,
you should be aware tha in places closer to the equator skin
cancer is
is a scourge, particularly (but not exclusively) in fair skinned
people.

Only because they use suncream.* Your body naturally protects
itself.Take two people, one who goes out in the sun a fair bit, and
one who is
pasty white.* Take them both to a hot country.* The white one will
burn
way more.

This is not correct. Even if you get a tan you are at high risk of
cancer.

********.* If you have no tan you have a way higher risk.* The tan is a
protection.

Not as good as you think. I know, I have seen tanned people with skin
cancer. Any doctor here (Spain) will tell you that. The tan stops the
burning, that's all.

And anyway, how you get the tan is critical. You have to get it slowly,
avoiding burning.

Depends what you mean by burning.* I go in the shade when my skin starts
going red.* One or two days later it's fully recovered.* Works for me.

That doing may provoke cancer in you many years later.


It really is absurd that anyone would think a natural thing (the sun)
which has been there ever since mankind appeared could possibly be
harmful to us.

LOL.

We simply did not live long enough to develop cancer, we died from other
things before that.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


Tell a mac user to right click and they screw their face up in absolute
confusion. Do they still only have one button?

macs have supported multiple buttons since the mid-80s.

On 18/05/2019 16.09, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 13:30:21 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 17/05/2019 23.54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 21:53:03 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 17/05/2019 22.22, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 14:54:09 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 16/05/2019 23.26, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 20:35:21 +0100, Carlos E. wrote:
On 16/05/2019 20.29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 18:19:15 +0100, hah wrote:
On 5/16/19 9:20 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

Well it's not used that way now. If Mr Smith is
executed, he's gone to the electric chair.

"Gas kills best." -- this message brought to you by your gas
company
:-)

I liked gas when it was used in the dentist instead of those
****ing needles!

They don't use gas here. I have never seen it. Only
recently heard a commercial on the radio of a site that
might be using it because of what they described. Or
maybe it is a strong sedative in advance.

Here dentists use a touch anaesthetic before driving in
the needle, so we don't feel it.

I'm 43 in the UK. I got gas when I was a kid, knocked
me unconscious in seconds, next thing I knew the work was
complete with no pain. But apparently it killed a few
weak people so they stopped it and ruined it for the rest
of us. Nowadays they use a needle in the gum, it
hurts!In America they use some weird psychadelic ****,
see Youtube for videos of loads of kids off their ****ing
skulls on it.

Apparently, gas has not been used here in my fifty
something years. But the thing is, the needle doesn't hurt
if the dentists knows how.

It's not actually that painful, it's the thought that counts.
Most people subconsciously object to a long piece of thin
metal going inside their body. Just like most people hate
spiders.

Well, there is that. I get impatient and nervous but stay still.

I lose consciousness unless I have a cold flannel on my head, the chair
is tilted so my head is lower than my body, and a fan is blowing across
my face.* My body strongly objects to a needle inside me.* My dentist
actually has this in my notes.

Oh :-(

It seems a sensible reaction to me.* My body is trying to persuade me to
get the hell out of the dentist room before long unnatural sharp objects
containing god know what chemicals are put inside me.

And, as we are conscious during the procedure,

Well it always worked fine when I was unconscious as a kid on gas.

Maybe they used it on kids because they would not cooperate. I
didn't. I was not strong enough to run away :-(

You don't need to run, just move enough to impede the operation.

They held me...

Assistant with hands firmly grasping your head?* It's quite difficult to
hold someone's head perfectly still if they don't want to.

"I will harm you much more unless you stay still". Works wonders at 12
years. I could still kick her on the belly, which I did. She was an ass,
I have no tusks due to her and the specialist that ordered my milk tusks
removed.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 18/05/2019 16.34, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

You know what else I hate?

truth

Self opening menus on websites. Reminds me of
macs. I pass my mouse over a menu title, and the ****ing thing opens in
the
way of where I was moving the cursor to. Nothing should respond until
clicked!

macs don't do that.

Your front door doesn't open when you look at it, you have to turn the
handle!

actually, it does, and that's a good thing.

*many* stores, office buildings, airports and other places have doors
that open when someone approaches, which is particularly convenient
when the person's hands are full carrying bags.

some garage door openers use proximity sensors so that the garage door
goes up as the person's vehicle approaches.

Very nice for thieves.

no. thieves will have to break in the usual way.

the garage door won't open for any random vehicle. it opens only for
*your* vehicle. the only difference is you don't need to stop, reach
for the remote and press the button. the correct code is sent, just
automatically.

Ah. No, I have not seen that over here.


But it has been known for thieves to capture the radio exchange and
replicate it.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 18/05/2019 16.34, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least. But
then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower.

that's the point.

the term *was* used in the 80s and even the 70s, but relatively few
people had computers then.

I agree. As I remember, the original "killer app" that persuaded many
to buy computers was spreadsheets - specifically VisCalc. That was
early 80's.

i had some time today to dig this up - an early use of the term app was
back in 1985 with framework ii from ashton tate, which was a dos app
that had an 'apps' menu:
https://www.osnews.com/img/24882/apps.PNG

Ah, but those seem "internal" apps to a suite.

still called apps.

Yes, but you probably could not call them independently, outside of the
suite.



--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 18/05/2019 20.29, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 5/17/19 7:54 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

[snip]

I can't remember the date but I can remember the circumstances which
caused me to first use the Internet. I have checked and it would have
been in 1995.

I got an internet connection in 1995. It was then because the phone
company had just made it a local call to call places with Compuserve
access numbers. As to why Compuserve, I had a way to find local numbers
for that service. The internet connection was better when I changed to a
new local ISP.


Here Compuserve meant doing a provincial or national phone call at
least. Ie, long distance (not international). Trunk call in UK parlance,
I believe.

So unless you lived at the capital city or one of the other few lucky
cities, it was out of the question unless you needed it for
investigation or business. And in those fields, they could contract
other types of connections.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 5/16/2019 7:20 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2019 07:01:11 +0100, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 00:30:35 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 16 May 2019 00:06:47 +0100, Apd wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
I don't go into my gar to mow the lawn, so why would I use an app on
my computer?* Why are people too ****ing lazy to use the whole word
anymore?* If "application" is too difficult, what about "program"?

When I started programming in the 70s we wrote computer programs. I
don't remember when or why "application" became popular. It sounds
like a poultice you apply to an infected wound. So, yes, I prefer
"program".

I also laugh at "execute" the program.* It sounds like you want it
killed.* And an "executive" in a business should be the one that
chops off people's heads when they misbehave.

"executing" a program dates back to before you were born and has a
very good reason for it's usage. In those early days one loaded a
program into the computer and it sat there, fat and happy, doing
absolutely nothing. Then when you had the courage to try it, you
issued the command "execute", whereupon it leaped into life (or death)
and did whatever you had actually asked it to do (not necassarily what
you had though you had asked it to do).

The term has a naval background. In the days of ail the officer in
charge of the deck would issue a command e.g. 'Prepare to luff", where
upon members of the crew would leap to various ropes, lines, sheets
and haliards, getting ready to do whatever had to be done. At the
appropriate moment (maybe in the midst of a close tacking duel) the
officer would issue the command 'Execute!' whereupon sheaves would
whir, ropes would run, and yards and booms would swing round to their
new position.

If you go to the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary you will find
the word 'execute' has various threads of meaning all dataing from
Middle English and having something to do with the performance of
something or other.

Well it's not used that way now.* If Mr Smith is executed, he's gone to
the electric chair.

You just documented otherwise.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Your front door doesn't open when you look at it, you have to turn the
handle!

actually, it does, and that's a good thing.

*many* stores, office buildings, airports and other places have doors
that open when someone approaches, which is particularly convenient
when the person's hands are full carrying bags.

some garage door openers use proximity sensors so that the garage door
goes up as the person's vehicle approaches.

Very nice for thieves.

no. thieves will have to break in the usual way.

the garage door won't open for any random vehicle. it opens only for
*your* vehicle. the only difference is you don't need to stop, reach
for the remote and press the button. the correct code is sent, just
automatically.

Ah. No, I have not seen that over here.

sometimes there are optical or magnetic sensors *inside* of larger
garages to automatically open the gate when exiting, common in
apartment buildings. entering the garage still requires a remote
control, tapping a card or some other method.

But it has been known for thieves to capture the radio exchange and
replicate it.

it has been known that thieves pick locks, smash windows, etc. which is
much easier than trying to spoof a remote, something which is not as
easy as it used to be.

In article , Pat
wrote:

I remember that "killer app" thing, but not till the 90's at least.
But then there was no internet, so terms travelled slower.

that's the point.

the term *was* used in the 80s and even the 70s, but relatively few
people had computers then.

I agree. As I remember, the original "killer app" that persuaded many
to buy computers was spreadsheets - specifically VisCalc. That was
early 80's.

i had some time today to dig this up - an early use of the term app was
back in 1985 with framework ii from ashton tate, which was a dos app
that had an 'apps' menu:
https://www.osnews.com/img/24882/apps.PNG

Ah, but those seem "internal" apps to a suite.

still called apps.

I've read many of the posts to this thread, but not all. In the ones
I've read, no one has mentioned that saying "apps" is not just a lazy
shortening of "applications".

that's all it is.

many words are shortened, especially in computing and also medicine.

To me, an application is a program like
Excel, Lotus 123, or MS Paint. But, Apps are the programs you buy at
the Apple App Store, Google Play, or the place Microsoft sells Windows
8 thru 10 metro apps. IMHO, the two terms are not interchangeable.

to you, perhaps, but to the rest of the world, they are interchangeable
and used that way.

microsoft uses apps for both the store and outside the sto
https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content..._58e7e4ea93ee2.
png

On Sat, 18 May 2019 20:47:46 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 18/05/2019 16.05, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 May 2019 14:37:49 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 18/05/2019 15.31, Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/18/19 6:14 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 23:59:29 +0100, T wrote:

On 5/17/19 6:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don't know anyone who calls their browser google.Â* They say
"chrome".

I get it all-the-time.

q.Â* what browser are you using?
a.Â* I don't have one

q.Â* how do you surf the Internet
a.Â* Google

q.Â* what does the icon look like that you click on
a.Â* Its Google (annoyed voice)

q. describe the google icon
a. look like an orange fox chasing his tail


You get the picture

:'(

I know some computer illiterate people, but I've never heard of anyone
that stupid.Â* Perhaps they don't know the name of the browser, but
they call it "the internet icon".

Sadly, they do exist.Â* :-(

I don't think a person is stupid for not knowing what the bendix drive
is, or firefox, or the law of gravity.

Not knowing the law of gravity is monumentally stupid.Â* I assume you
don't mean knowing the precise formula.

Nope, I mean the law. They are simply people that do not understand
physics, or mechanics, or computers. There are dyslexics people that
have great difficulty at reading, and do badly at school. It is an
illness. Another is discalculia, they can't learn mathematics, even
trivial things. And some of them have a higher than normal IQ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

I know a woman who is dyslexic. At the age of 10 she was classed as a
retarded child. Now she has a B.Sc in mathematics and an M.A. in
education.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:06:55 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 18 May 2019 13:38:02 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 17/05/2019 23.57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 21:38:36 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 17/05/2019 22.08, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 17 May 2019 02:04:04 +0100, Eric Stevens
wrote:


Maybe you are excused in this case as you live in Scotland. However,
you should be aware tha in places closer to the equator skin cancer is
is a scourge, particularly (but not exclusively) in fair skinned
people.

Only because they use suncream. Your body naturally protects
itself.Take two people, one who goes out in the sun a fair bit, and
one who is
pasty white. Take them both to a hot country. The white one will burn
way more.

This is not correct. Even if you get a tan you are at high risk of
cancer.

********. If you have no tan you have a way higher risk. The tan is a
protection.

Not as good as you think. I know, I have seen tanned people with skin
cancer. Any doctor here (Spain) will tell you that. The tan stops the
burning, that's all.

And anyway, how you get the tan is critical. You have to get it slowly,
avoiding burning.

Depends what you mean by burning. I go in the shade when my skin starts going red. One or two days later it's fully recovered. Works for me.

It really is absurd that anyone would think a natural thing (the sun) which has been there ever since mankind appeared could possibly be harmful to us.

All that evolution requires is that you survive skin cancers long
enough to breed.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:10:17 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 18 May 2019 11:31:22 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote:

On Fri, 17 May 2019 19:17:42 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 5/17/19 3:08 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]

I continue to be astonished at the small size of the you inhabit.

That was terrible English. I can't even work out what you meant to write.

I think I did, although the statement would make more sense with the
right word before "you".

Maybe you are excused in this case as you live in Scotland. However,
you should be aware tha in places closer to the equator skin cancer is
is a scourge, particularly (but not exclusively) in fair skinned
people.

Only because they use suncream. Your body naturally protects itself.
Take two people, one who goes out in the sun a fair bit, and one who is
pasty white. Take them both to a hot country. The white one will burn
way more.

In the same way "killing germs" is inappropriate for most people.

A different problem. Skin cancers are not infectious.

Irrelevant. We have an immune system which medicine is ****ing up.

You are confused. Never mind.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Sat, 18 May 2019 13:31:52 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 5/18/19 5:31 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:

[snip]

Only because they use suncream.Â* Your body naturally protects itself.
Take two people, one who goes out in the sun a fair bit, and one who is
pasty white.Â* Take them both to a hot country.Â* The white one will burn
way more.

In the same way "killing germs" is inappropriate for most people.

A different problem. Skin cancers are not infectious.

Not everyone is unable to see the connection between sunscreen (as you
stated) and killing germs (which, of course, has nothing to do with
infections).

Whether or not one has white or dark skin and your skin's response to
sun exposure is not the same thing as maintaining the ability of your
immune system to deal with infections. There is nothing that any of us
can do to affect the inherent responses of our skin to sun exposure.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens