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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:33 AM, . . .winston wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 6/4/15 7:38 AM, . . .winston wrote: Jonas Klein wrote: In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially "Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and save files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..." Office 2013 and later does have a more 'cloud centric' approach than Windows 8 or 10. The cloud direction was pretty much evident as MSFT's intent way back in 2008 when Windows Live Essentials was released which had cross application integration (Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Photo Email, Instant Messaging, PhotoGallery) which used Microsoft's server and also the user's MSFT/Live account's OneDrive/SkyDrive/My Spaces cloud storage as a repository for the features cross integration and functionality. Most folks completely misunderstood WLE thinking it was only supposed to be a replacement for XP Era Outlook Express and Windows Messenger. While it met that intent to a certain extent, it provided on more benefit for MSFT by being focused on the 300,000,000 million Hotmail and Messenger user base. By targeting that group it also provided MSFT with telemetry on how that population used those applications and shared content(pictures and files) in a cloud environment. Any statistician would easily understand the benefit of having a sample size of that volume and the implications for the the probability and predictability of a much larger group of people (in this case data on 300 million is more than enough to generate usage pattern and adoption with reasonable confidence and known error for the normal distribution of the total Windows population. Office 2007/10 came into play just a shade later since it provided two cloud centric options - the ability to pull Contact and Calendar data via that same MSFT/Live account for Hotmail and Messenger and a short time later 'connector's for social media (e.g. Facebook). Second, MSFT also had a feature available for MSFT/Live accounts called Office Online which eventually migrated data storage to SkyDrive (now called OneDrive). As you should be able to see that MSFT's direction for cloud based user storage was almost a given well before Windows 8 and Office 2013 (each of which provided some of the same and more cloud integration) arrived. Windows10 and Office 2016 are just another step in that same evolution but that does not mean user lose all control, but they will have to dig a bit deeper to understand how to control how and what they wish or need to do to manage their own and customer's concerns and needs. It's not all the doom and gloom that some will claim but it does bear more ownership of the product(s) use. All of this sounds great, in a perfect world. But that's not what we live in. If you use cloud apps and storage, if your internet connection goes down, you're screwed. Plain and simple. And the US has a very aging and deteriorating infrastructure, that in many places struggles under the load. Not to mention the vagaries of mother nature and the threat of terrorist types and hackers. Essentially you're putting your data into someone else's hands, taking no responsibility yourself for the safety of your data. Personally, I don't trust any large company that has a vested interest in how you use your computer to be 100% trustworthy in respecting your rights as the owner of the property. Wasn't it Instagram that was recently caught claiming ownership of photos uploaded to their servers? Fortunately, at this stage...we still have some level of control over what we decide is worthy of cloud storage. I don't see that as changing soon since their is too much negative perception...that same perception doesn't always provide the whole picture on benefit or disadvantage. True, but how does this or Neil's comment contradict my statement? Not sure if it was Instagram or another provider. It doesn't much matter - though the important piece of any cloud pie is that use of for the most part agrees to the TOS and Privacy guidelines for those services...and since most don't read those use and agreement is universal - complaining about what one agrees to is like arguing with your mother about agreeing to take out the trash. You can complain but you still do it. You expected a contradiction ? As far as Neil's comment you have to ask him he replied 3hrs later than I replied to you. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote: Wolf K wrote: On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote: On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston escribió: Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to default to the cloud for data storage. The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files to one's machine or the cloud. Are you being deliberately dense? People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write their apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by default, rather than locally. Does that make more sense? I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option. You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result. When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud. I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to prevent theft. What's OneCloud? ;-) When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to proper attachments. Have a good day, OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to view or save the files will be present. e.g. http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2 Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture. - this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be done for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download). I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already signed in. Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link the way your link does? You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access. Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she has only two options - send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype is not in the sending equation - share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form (email, IM, sticky note, whatever) http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4 - does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to view. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 18:51:49 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: On 6/4/15 1:20 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 10:12:37 -0400, Wolf K wrote: I've never used Office. Tried it a few times, most recently when I had to edit a document for a local club about three years ago. It's awful. Main failing: no Reveal Codes, so I couldn't edit the messed up formatting left behind by the originator of the document, who had never mastered Word. I ended up Saving As plain text and reformatting the whole thing WordPerfect. Piece of cake compared to Word. I take a slightly different approach, and as a result, I don't miss WP's reveal codes feature a bit. Instead of fixing bad formatting, I simply apply the formatting that I want. It's very fast and easy that way, although purists might wonder what lies beneath the surface. For me, I'm more interested in what the final product looks like. Just curious, Char, does the editing you did in a doc always "stick" when you pass it on down the line? Yes, as far as I know. That would be weird if it didn't. |
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On 6/4/15 9:20 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 6/4/15 9:33 AM, . . .winston wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 6/4/15 7:38 AM, . . .winston wrote: Jonas Klein wrote: In the long run I'll have to use MS Office 2016, MS Office 2020 or whatever it will be called. What I read so far scares me. For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2016 and especially "Features include: built-in cloud access to create, open, edit, and save files in the cloud straight from the desktop, ..." Office 2013 and later does have a more 'cloud centric' approach than Windows 8 or 10. The cloud direction was pretty much evident as MSFT's intent way back in 2008 when Windows Live Essentials was released which had cross application integration (Mail, Contacts, Calendar, Photo Email, Instant Messaging, PhotoGallery) which used Microsoft's server and also the user's MSFT/Live account's OneDrive/SkyDrive/My Spaces cloud storage as a repository for the features cross integration and functionality. Most folks completely misunderstood WLE thinking it was only supposed to be a replacement for XP Era Outlook Express and Windows Messenger. While it met that intent to a certain extent, it provided on more benefit for MSFT by being focused on the 300,000,000 million Hotmail and Messenger user base. By targeting that group it also provided MSFT with telemetry on how that population used those applications and shared content(pictures and files) in a cloud environment. Any statistician would easily understand the benefit of having a sample size of that volume and the implications for the the probability and predictability of a much larger group of people (in this case data on 300 million is more than enough to generate usage pattern and adoption with reasonable confidence and known error for the normal distribution of the total Windows population. Office 2007/10 came into play just a shade later since it provided two cloud centric options - the ability to pull Contact and Calendar data via that same MSFT/Live account for Hotmail and Messenger and a short time later 'connector's for social media (e.g. Facebook). Second, MSFT also had a feature available for MSFT/Live accounts called Office Online which eventually migrated data storage to SkyDrive (now called OneDrive). As you should be able to see that MSFT's direction for cloud based user storage was almost a given well before Windows 8 and Office 2013 (each of which provided some of the same and more cloud integration) arrived. Windows10 and Office 2016 are just another step in that same evolution but that does not mean user lose all control, but they will have to dig a bit deeper to understand how to control how and what they wish or need to do to manage their own and customer's concerns and needs. It's not all the doom and gloom that some will claim but it does bear more ownership of the product(s) use. All of this sounds great, in a perfect world. But that's not what we live in. If you use cloud apps and storage, if your internet connection goes down, you're screwed. Plain and simple. And the US has a very aging and deteriorating infrastructure, that in many places struggles under the load. Not to mention the vagaries of mother nature and the threat of terrorist types and hackers. Essentially you're putting your data into someone else's hands, taking no responsibility yourself for the safety of your data. Personally, I don't trust any large company that has a vested interest in how you use your computer to be 100% trustworthy in respecting your rights as the owner of the property. Wasn't it Instagram that was recently caught claiming ownership of photos uploaded to their servers? Fortunately, at this stage...we still have some level of control over what we decide is worthy of cloud storage. I don't see that as changing soon since their is too much negative perception...that same perception doesn't always provide the whole picture on benefit or disadvantage. True, but how does this or Neil's comment contradict my statement? Not sure if it was Instagram or another provider. It doesn't much matter - though the important piece of any cloud pie is that use of for the most part agrees to the TOS and Privacy guidelines for those services...and since most don't read those use and agreement is universal - complaining about what one agrees to is like arguing with your mother about agreeing to take out the trash. You can complain but you still do it. You expected a contradiction ? Didn't expect one, but I took your reply as trying to be one. My bad, my apologies. As far as Neil's comment you have to ask him he replied 3hrs later than I replied to you. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 6/4/15 9:42 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote: On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote: Wolf K wrote: On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote: On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston escribió: Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to default to the cloud for data storage. The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files to one's machine or the cloud. Are you being deliberately dense? People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write their apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by default, rather than locally. Does that make more sense? I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option. You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result. When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud. I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to prevent theft. What's OneCloud? ;-) When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to proper attachments. Have a good day, OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to view or save the files will be present. e.g. http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2 Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture. - this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be done for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download). I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already signed in. Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link the way your link does? You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access. As sure as "God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summer time." LOL After it happened the 2nd time, we quit doing it. From the screen, I know I was signing into something MS related, and it asked for my Skype password. Since we don't do this anymore, it's not that important. But if you're curious, we can do an experiment, and keep track of what we do, and let you know. Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she has only two options - send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype is not in the sending equation - share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form (email, IM, sticky note, whatever) http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4 - does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to view. That's a helluva fire!!!! But this test isn't valid, as I get the link via text inside Skype. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 36.0.4 Thunderbird 31.5 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:47:46 -0400, Neil wrote:
On 6/4/2015 6:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote: On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 17:43:50 -0400, Neil wrote: On 6/4/2015 2:37 PM, Char Jackson wrote: As you've done in multiple other posts, you've got the cart before the horse. The first step should be to educate oneself about Win 10 and what it brings to the table. That doesn't have to be done now; it can be done in bits during the coming year. If, and only if, there's something compelling in Win 10 then that's the time to worry about 'system readiness'. This bit of education is by far the most important step, but you consistently skip over it and jump right to 'readiness'. I would agree with you if this was 2005, but many things have changed since then. Perhaps the most significant is that most people are not likely to be able to educate themselves about what a new OS brings to the table. snip I'm not sure I understand that perspective, and the snipped text didn't help me to see what you were getting at. What I was getting at is contained in your paragraph. You suggest that it's possible to educate oneself about what a new OS brings to the table, and I'm saying that it's not as easy as it was for a couple of decades of doing the same kind of work in the same kind of way. We're in the beginning stages of a new work model. A short few years ago, we collaborated with others around the world in relatively inefficient ways compared to what is becoming possible, due in no small part to such things as unified OS and apps across devices, cloud services and so on. To know what a new OS "brings to the table" requires a pretty deep understanding of the underlying technology, and I don't see that depth in very many places or from otherwise knowledgeable users. If anything, it's probably easier than ever to gather information, if one so chooses. Win 10 articles are trickling out from various sources, and soon there will be a flood of them, just like we've seen with every other new Windows release. The pundits will hash and rehash the good and the bad, which in its raw form may be too much for some people to digest, but over time things will rise to the surface where they can be easily picked over. Along with that, there are the Tech Previews for anyone who cares enough to get a firsthand look, although I suspect most people will simply go with the flow. If anything, the huge number of sources of information are more confusing than helpful. Too much info is far preferable to not enough. If it's overwhelming to you, choose a few sources that you personally trust. Simple. Based on the number of posts over the last year from otherwise knowledgeable folks, I'd say that few of them can evaluate the compatibility of a new OS by reading the specs or looking at screen shots. Those are never good ways to evaluate an OS. Depends on the individual, but I agree that it's seldom a useful investment of one's time. For those who can and do make use of the "new" OS functionality and are not near the end of their time as a computer user, there is a need for some way of evaluating what they own with what is coming next to know how to plan their expenditures. Thanks. We're in agreement. I'm not so sure. The "get Windows 10" tool that is the topic of this thread is one of very few ways that one can "evaluate what they own with what is coming next", and is probably the only way for those not deeply involved in the technology. How so? In what way does a readiness check help to educate a consumer about the differences between what he/she has versus what's in the next release? That's right, it doesn't. To be fair, that's not it's purpose, so let's not kid ourselves and push people to run a readiness check when what we really should be doing is evaluating the new OS. |
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:03:16 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: Char Jackson wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:34:10 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: A good reason (if using Win7SP1 or Win8.1) to install KB 3035583, Reserve Win10 which will run a system readiness check. Once they have that information available, they can then, and only then make a better informed decision...i.e. folks have to ensure their existing system doesn't create issues (software, driver, graphic, network adapter etc. issues) before even considering or pondering what possible advantages or disadvantages Win10 brings to the table. Then, and only then? :-) No, of course not. Long before that, there's an entire thought process that needs to take place to determine whether a person wants to upgrade. You've skipped over that step entirely, and not just above but in multiple posts. I know you know better. This is one of the reasons why some people are questioning your advice. It simply doesn't make sense. Imo, one should take a methodical approach to upgrading any o/s - have a backup plan for the existing, understand if the system current hardware and software set will or will not create issues, then and only then deal/learn what Win10 does or does not bring to the table. I believe you have that exactly backwards. Your last step should have been the first step. A backup plan should be the first task for any system before even considering any change in o/s thus it would be the first step for any user. Protect you own before considering or introducing something new. Close, but no. The need for a backup plan stands on its own, irrespective of any plans to do an OS upgrade, but within the confines of a major planned upgrade like this, implementing a backup plan comes after making the decision to upgrade, not before. |
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En el artículo , . . .winston
escribió: Let me know when you take advantage of the free offer. I don't believe you have the hutzbah to discount that offer and pay for it later. Which is EXACTLY the attitude that M$ is counting on to build a large installed base of Win10. Let the sheeple stampede to download and install Win10 because it's FREEEEE!!1! The sting in the tail will come later, as there is no such thing as a free lunch. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:11:23 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: Char Jackson wrote: If I change my mind and decide to do the upgrade to 10, it won't be because it's free, (nothing is free). There would have to be some value before I take that step. I don't completely rule it out, but so far I'm not seeing any value to me. If you can think of anything, please post about it and I'll consider it. Let me know when you take advantage of the free offer. I don't believe you have the hutzbah to discount that offer and pay for it later. I currently have no plans to allow myself to be taken advantage of by that offer, but I'll try to let you know if that changes. Who knows, maybe something interesting will be included in Win 10. There's no sign of it yet, but never say never. I very happily skipped Win ME and Vista, and I would have skipped Win 8 if it hadn't come with a new laptop at a time when I was too busy to downgrade it, so I'm very comfortable skipping a release that doesn't offer anything interesting. |
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Neil wrote:
I'm not so sure. The "get Windows 10" tool that is the topic of this thread is one of very few ways that one can "evaluate what they own with what is coming next", and is probably the only way for those not deeply involved in the technology. +1 There's another piece of this 'Get Windows 10' app that I've not introduced solely because I wanted to first ensure folks understood its 'system readiness check' purpose beyond what other's claim the app presence as 'nag' ware. Not only does this Windows update tool provide (after reservation) a current system Win10 readiness check it also has other benefits when it reports device issues. Integration with Windows Update and the ability to offer optional updated drivers. Now, imo, it's not been a good idea to use Windows Update for drivers and the preferred route is to obtain directly from the manufacturer's site...and that has been long standing good advice but it would be unreasonable to expect that every possible Win7Sp1/Win8.1 user will follow the manufacturer path (nor would it be possible to even considering counseling that same population to obtain drivers from the manufacturer). Bottom line, the app is the Upgrade Assistant/Advisor and capable of measuring readiness of the current state and again in the future after devices have been updated with later drivers. Microsoft has covered a bit more ground with this tool than previous Upgrade Assistants which was a stand-alone point in time, capable of running but not necessarily feedback results. What MSFT should have done, and its been suggested, is for the tool to be improved to provide more 'in-tool' information about need for updated drivers and if done re-releasing the KB with those improvements giving users a better chance of making an more thorough informed decisions. We also seen some reports of the tool reporting multiple device issue (e.g. Bluetooth, Graphics) where updating of the graphic driver resulted in rectifying both issues. It also would not be surprising that other Windows Update offerings (non-driver but compatibility and reliability) will be released to improve an existing system's readiness and subsequent 'Good to Go' for Win10 acknowledgement in the 'Get Windows 10' app. Folks around here will elaborate about this or that update isn't needed, its invasive, etc..but for those considering moving to Win10 listening to that advice could very well be the wrong thing to do. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:42 PM, . . .winston wrote: Ken Springer wrote: On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote: Wolf K wrote: On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote: On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote: On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston escribió: Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to default to the cloud for data storage. The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created files to one's machine or the cloud. Are you being deliberately dense? People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write their apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the cloud by default, rather than locally. Does that make more sense? I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option. You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result. When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud. I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to prevent theft. What's OneCloud? ;-) When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to proper attachments. Have a good day, OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to view or save the files will be present. e.g. http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2 Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture. - this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be done for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download). I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already signed in. Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link the way your link does? You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access. As sure as "God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summer time." LOL After it happened the 2nd time, we quit doing it. From the screen, I know I was signing into something MS related, and it asked for my Skype password. Since we don't do this anymore, it's not that important. But if you're curious, we can do an experiment, and keep track of what we do, and let you know. Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she has only two options - send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype is not in the sending equation - share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form (email, IM, sticky note, whatever) http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4 - does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to view. That's a helluva fire!!!! But this test isn't valid, as I get the link via text inside Skype. I sent the link via Skype to another Skype contact before posting it here. They didn't have to provide anything to view the picture and they don't have use OneDrive or have MSFT Account (which provides them OneDrive access) It is a amazing fire...I just want to know who took the picture or even painted the picture. Pretty Amazing Next time you Skype with someone send them the link in an email or a Skype conversation, have then skype it back to you and click on it...I'll leave it shared for a month so you've time to test it or until you report back your results. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 00:58:07 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: There's another piece of this 'Get Windows 10' app that I've not introduced solely because I wanted to first ensure folks understood its 'system readiness check' purpose beyond what other's claim the app presence as 'nag' ware. Not only does this Windows update tool provide (after reservation) a current system Win10 readiness check it also has other benefits when it reports device issues. Integration with Windows Update and the ability to offer optional updated drivers. Thanks, that's good to know. Unfortunately, it adds another nail to the coffin. Folks around here will elaborate about this or that update isn't needed, its invasive, etc..but for those considering moving to Win10 listening to that advice could very well be the wrong thing to do. I realize that you have to say that. -- Char Jackson |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 23:11:23 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: Char Jackson wrote: If I change my mind and decide to do the upgrade to 10, it won't be because it's free, (nothing is free). There would have to be some value before I take that step. I don't completely rule it out, but so far I'm not seeing any value to me. If you can think of anything, please post about it and I'll consider it. Let me know when you take advantage of the free offer. I don't believe you have the hutzbah to discount that offer and pay for it later. I currently have no plans to allow myself to be taken advantage of by that offer, but I'll try to let you know if that changes. Who knows, maybe something interesting will be included in Win 10. There's no sign of it yet, but never say never. I very happily skipped Win ME and Vista, and I would have skipped Win 8 if it hadn't come with a new laptop at a time when I was too busy to downgrade it, so I'm very comfortable skipping a release that doesn't offer anything interesting. ME lasted less than a week and that was only because I was out of town for the weekend. Installed on Thursday, removed/formatted on the following Tuesday. Restored a 98SE Acronis Image (or maybe it was Ghost image) made before installing ME. Vista was OK for me, even on an 2003 era XP system. It worked fine for my use but it's snail method of transferring any file larger than a few hundred MB to any device (USB, Firewire, stick, external, internal drive was pita). I did not like Vista's Windows Mail preferring Outlook and imo, even Windows Live Mail provided a better experience for me for Hotmail and Live accounts than Vista's Windows Mail....which reminds me, I've spare early Sata drive laying around here somewhere with Vista (just o/s stripped of software save one or two outdated utilities) collecting dust that can be wiped, donated or recycled. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?
Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 00:58:07 -0400, ". . .winston" wrote: There's another piece of this 'Get Windows 10' app that I've not introduced solely because I wanted to first ensure folks understood its 'system readiness check' purpose beyond what other's claim the app presence as 'nag' ware. Not only does this Windows update tool provide (after reservation) a current system Win10 readiness check it also has other benefits when it reports device issues. Integration with Windows Update and the ability to offer optional updated drivers. Thanks, that's good to know. Unfortunately, it adds another nail to the coffin. Folks around here will elaborate about this or that update isn't needed, its invasive, etc..but for those considering moving to Win10 listening to that advice could very well be the wrong thing to do. I realize that you have to say that. It's true. There have been plenty of people stopping by this group sincerely asking for information and receiving 'what they shouldn't do' replies' not necessarily in the best interest of the questioner. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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