Upgrade ?

I have one Win7 32bit machine that I use to run some legacy hardware.
(Slide scanner)

Since I have a few newer scanners, I do not really need this but for now
am keeping it as a spare.


Though it's non critical and I don't have to put the machine on-line, I
thought I might as well upgrade it to Win10.

I did a test install of win10 on a separate HD and it ran very poorly so
I decided not to do the upgrade.


Just for the heck of it, I thought I should just upgrade to Win8.1

Once I started the upgrade there was an option to perform a fresh
install or to only keep data. There was no option to keep programs, so I
cancelled.


Just out of curiosity, what would have happened if I upgraded to Win8
and from there to win8.1 ?

philo wrote:
I have one Win7 32bit machine that I use to run some legacy hardware.
(Slide scanner)

Since I have a few newer scanners, I do not really need this but for now
am keeping it as a spare.


Though it's non critical and I don't have to put the machine on-line, I
thought I might as well upgrade it to Win10.

I did a test install of win10 on a separate HD and it ran very poorly so
I decided not to do the upgrade.


Just for the heck of it, I thought I should just upgrade to Win8.1

Once I started the upgrade there was an option to perform a fresh
install or to only keep data. There was no option to keep programs, so I
cancelled.


Just out of curiosity, what would have happened if I upgraded to Win8
and from there to win8.1 ?

This is a simplified diagram.

W7 and W8 "aren't supported", because there are transitions
available for them to SP1 and W8.1 respectively. There is
no need for the Win10 installer to offer the unsupported
OSes any service.

WinXP -- Vista -- Windows7 SP1 -- W8 -- W8.1 -- W10
\ \ ^
\_____________________\____/

Windows 10 is the first installer to support "double jumping"
and handle migrations involving more than just the previous
OS version.

Saving your Data is easy.

Saving your Programs requires "migration" and is a
lengthy process. Lists of blocked stuff would need
to be generated for each from-to combination.

So in the old days, a person could install Vista over
WinXP, and expect both Programs and Data to be kept.
And if you wanted to make multiple advances, you
would do them sequentially, one OS install at a time.
WinXP to Vista to finally Win7 say. And keep your
WinXP era Programs as a result.

Whereas the Windows 10 has more than one from-to combination
stored in it. And I haven't seen any of the checkerboard
diagrams for Windows 10, which MS used to make for the
older OSes. So I can't really provide any evidence of
capability using that as an information source.

The above diagram is "Supported" rather than "Tested By Me" :-)
So that diagram is "the minimum of what should work" to
keep both Programs and Data.

Paul

On 6/22/2019 12:12 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
I have one Win7 32bitÂ* machineÂ* that I use to run some legacy
hardware. (Slide scanner)

Since I have a few newer scanners, I do not really need this but for
now am keeping it as a spare.


Though it's non critical and I don't have to put the machine on-line,
I thought I might as well upgrade it to Win10.

I did a test install of win10 on a separate HD and it ran very poorly
so I decided not to do the upgrade.


Just for the heck of it, I thought I should just upgrade to Win8.1

Once I started the upgrade there was an option to perform a fresh
install or to only keep data. There was no option to keep programs, so
I cancelled.


Just out of curiosity, what would have happened if I upgraded to Win8
and from there to win8.1 ?

This is a simplified diagram.

W7 and W8 "aren't supported", because there are transitions
available for them to SP1 and W8.1 respectively. There is
no need for the Win10 installer to offer the unsupported
OSes any service.

Â* WinXP -- Vista -- Windows7 SP1 -- W8 -- W8.1 -- W10
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ^
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \_____________________\____/

Windows 10 is the first installer to support "double jumping"
and handle migrations involving more than just the previous
OS version.

Saving your Data is easy.

Saving your Programs requires "migration" and is a
lengthy process. Lists of blocked stuff would need
to be generated for each from-to combination.

So in the old days, a person could install Vista over
WinXP, and expect both Programs and Data to be kept.
And if you wanted to make multiple advances, you
would do them sequentially, one OS install at a time.
WinXP to Vista to finally Win7 say. And keep your
WinXP era Programs as a result.

Whereas the Windows 10 has more than one from-to combination
stored in it. And I haven't seen any of the checkerboard
diagrams for Windows 10, which MS used to make for the
older OSes. So I can't really provide any evidence of
capability using that as an information source.

The above diagram is "Supported" rather than "Tested By Me" :-)
So that diagram is "the minimum of what should work" to
keep both Programs and Data.

Â*Â* Paul



Thanks.

I have a few machines here with removable drive caddies so might run an
experiment and see what happens

On 22/06/2019 16:12, philo wrote:



Just out of curiosity, what would have happened if I upgraded to Win8
and from there to win8.1 ?

One thing is for sure that your wouldn't see an explosion when
upgrading. Also, there is no need to upgrade to 8 if your aim is to go
to 8.1. You can do it directly and your windows 8 key will work in
8.1. 8.1 was a free upgrade for everybody who were using 8. Initially
it was available via the store (yes Windows 8 did have a store app!!!)
download but now you can download the ISO directly if you know how.

Your question is pretty much ambiguous but this must be because of
your age and level of intelligence.


--
With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 6/22/2019 1:09 PM, philo wrote:
On 6/22/2019 12:12 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
I have one Win7 32bitÂ* machineÂ* that I use to run some legacy
hardware. (Slide scanner)

Since I have a few newer scanners, I do not really need this but for
now am keeping it as a spare.


Though it's non critical and I don't have to put the machine on-line,
I thought I might as well upgrade it to Win10.

I did a test install of win10 on a separate HD and it ran very poorly
so I decided not to do the upgrade.


Just for the heck of it, I thought I should just upgrade to Win8.1

Once I started the upgrade there was an option to perform a fresh
install or to only keep data. There was no option to keep programs,
so I cancelled.


Just out of curiosity, what would have happened if I upgraded to Win8
and from there to win8.1 ?

This is a simplified diagram.

W7 and W8 "aren't supported", because there are transitions
available for them to SP1 and W8.1 respectively. There is
no need for the Win10 installer to offer the unsupported
OSes any service.

Â*Â* WinXP -- Vista -- Windows7 SP1 -- W8 -- W8.1 -- W10
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* \Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ^
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â* \_____________________\____/

Windows 10 is the first installer to support "double jumping"
and handle migrations involving more than just the previous
OS version.

Saving your Data is easy.

Saving your Programs requires "migration" and is a
lengthy process. Lists of blocked stuff would need
to be generated for each from-to combination.

So in the old days, a person could install Vista over
WinXP, and expect both Programs and Data to be kept.
And if you wanted to make multiple advances, you
would do them sequentially, one OS install at a time.
WinXP to Vista to finally Win7 say. And keep your
WinXP era Programs as a result.

Whereas the Windows 10 has more than one from-to combination
stored in it. And I haven't seen any of the checkerboard
diagrams for Windows 10, which MS used to make for the
older OSes. So I can't really provide any evidence of
capability using that as an information source.

The above diagram is "Supported" rather than "Tested By Me" :-)
So that diagram is "the minimum of what should work" to
keep both Programs and Data.

Â*Â*Â* Paul



Thanks.

I have a few machines here with removable drive caddies so might run an
experiment and see what happens



Now doing an upgrade to Win8 and it does give an option to keep
applications.

Tomorrow will try taking it to 8.1

On 6/22/2019 11:19 PM, philo wrote:


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Â*Â*Â* Paul



Thanks.

I have a few machines here with removable drive caddies so might run
an experiment and see what happens



Now doing an upgrade to Win8 and it does give an option to keep
applications.

Tomorrow will try taking it to 8.1




8 to 8.1 allowed programs to stay.

Do not think I will upgrade my win7 machine though.

1) At the end of the 8 - 8.1 upgrade it said " upgrade failed" but after
a reboot the system was in fact upgraded

2) Will let the update process run again but thus far only found and
installed some five year old updates