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Testing motherboard Sata sockets.
It's true, one/some of my motherboards sockets is/are faulty, trashing
the booting ability of a newly installed Win10. Is there any way to test the sockets? Would plugging in a Optical drive & testing this be good enough? |
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Testing motherboard Sata sockets.
On 6/23/19 5:46 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
It's true, one/some of my motherboards sockets is/are faulty, trashing the booting ability of a newly installed Win10. Is there any way to test the sockets? Would plugging in a Optical drive & testing this be good enough? You could but my opinion is the old adage "the proof is in the pudding" and I'd find a spare drive a move it around from slot to slot. Load a quick and dirty win 10 on it, you don't need to license it, pull the nic cable, and move it around. Al |
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Big Al wrote:
On 6/23/19 5:46 PM, Peter Jason wrote: It's true, one/some of my motherboards sockets is/are faulty, trashing the booting ability of a newly installed Win10. Is there any way to test the sockets? Would plugging in a Optical drive & testing this be good enough? You could but my opinion is the old adage "the proof is in the pudding" and I'd find a spare drive a move it around from slot to slot. Load a quick and dirty win 10 on it, you don't need to license it, pull the nic cable, and move it around. Al You can install a separate PCI Express SATA card, install the driver for it, then move the Win10 disk over to it. This gives a chance to see if "problem follows drive" or "problem follows port". Select your card carefully. There might be more than one Asmedia chip for this, and usually the chip you don't want, is the one everyone sells :-) In the lab, I would use a super-expensive sampling scope with the ~$1500 software kit that does an eye diagram for the SATA. That's the closest thing to some sort of "compliance" test. I don't know if I would consider a functional test to be all that meaningful. The SATA drive should have one "CRC counter" which counts packet errors on the cable. This counter is never reset, and accumulates errors (mainly as a result of pinched or bent cabling). Always observe the minimum bend radius of the cables, and don't wrap bread ties around them, scrunching them up as a form of cable management. This crushes the dielectric and upsets the cable impedance (creating a reflection on the cable). Sometimes the Chinese cables packed in bags, are a little bit too tight for my tastes. As long as I can see through the bag at my computer store, I can see how the cables have been treated. You can see the white dielectric around the TX pair and RX pair here. You don't want that white part crushed if you can help it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinax...winAxCable.jpg You want *at least* 1TB of data transfers. Think how long it would take an optical drive to do that... Paul |
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On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 18:44:59 -0400, Paul
wrote: Big Al wrote: On 6/23/19 5:46 PM, Peter Jason wrote: It's true, one/some of my motherboards sockets is/are faulty, trashing the booting ability of a newly installed Win10. Is there any way to test the sockets? Would plugging in a Optical drive & testing this be good enough? You could but my opinion is the old adage "the proof is in the pudding" and I'd find a spare drive a move it around from slot to slot. Load a quick and dirty win 10 on it, you don't need to license it, pull the nic cable, and move it around. Al You can install a separate PCI Express SATA card, install the driver for it, then move the Win10 disk over to it. Can I do this for the OS? I have about 3 such cards each with 4 Sata3 sockets. I thought the OS required direct connection to the MB. The Cards.... https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1GqtAK...pg_350x350.jpg Can I use these for the OS; if so I can dispense with the MB Sata socket bank altogether! This gives a chance to see if "problem follows drive" or "problem follows port". Select your card carefully. There might be more than one Asmedia chip for this, and usually the chip you don't want, is the one everyone sells :-) In the lab, I would use a super-expensive sampling scope with the ~$1500 software kit that does an eye diagram for the SATA. That's the closest thing to some sort of "compliance" test. I don't know if I would consider a functional test to be all that meaningful. The SATA drive should have one "CRC counter" which counts packet errors on the cable. This counter is never reset, and accumulates errors (mainly as a result of pinched or bent cabling). Always observe the minimum bend radius of the cables, and don't wrap bread ties around them, scrunching them up as a form of cable management. This crushes the dielectric and upsets the cable impedance (creating a reflection on the cable). Sometimes the Chinese cables packed in bags, are a little bit too tight for my tastes. As long as I can see through the bag at my computer store, I can see how the cables have been treated. You can see the white dielectric around the TX pair and RX pair here. You don't want that white part crushed if you can help it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinax...winAxCable.jpg You want *at least* 1TB of data transfers. Think how long it would take an optical drive to do that... Paul |
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Peter Jason wrote:
You can install a separate PCI Express SATA card, install the driver for it, then move the Win10 disk over to it. Can I do this for the OS? I have about 3 such cards each with 4 Sata3 sockets. I thought the OS required direct connection to the MB. The Cards.... https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1GqtAK...pg_350x350.jpg Can I use these for the OS; if so I can dispense with the MB Sata socket bank altogether! The one in the picture is USB3 I think. Those don't have a boot ROM. ******* Bootable SATA card. https://www.newegg.com/syba-sy-pex40...82E16816124045 Supports Communication Speeds of 6.0Gbps, 3.0Gbps, and 1.5Gbps Supports 2 Ports Serial ATA Supports Native Command Queue (NCQ) Supports Port Multiplier This card is bootable. This one has a Marvell 9215. https://www.newegg.com/syba-si-pex40...82E16816124064 Additionally, this card is bootable You can see what looks like an eight pin serial EEPROM on those cards, and the boot code is in there. When the BIOS scans the bus, it loads the Config ROM from cards like that. In the BIOS, you "enable INT 19 capture" and there's one other setting, and that should be sufficient. In some cases, there might be a conflict between the ROM code on your motherboard for an Aux storage controller and the chip on the plugin card. Review the chips on your motherboard carefully, and try to select something different so they all use their own ROM and there are no "tricks". An ASM1062 would be a better chip than the ASM1061, because it has a PCI Express x2 interface on it, and gives a bit more breathing room for SSDs. The "bargain" cards are more likely to have the ASM1061. Every time I go to the computer store and "impulse buy" something, I get screwed on issues like this. http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...cate_index=166 Just make sure the word "bootable" is in the advert. ******* It *is* possible to boot Windows 10 from a USB flash stick. It's called Windows-To-Go, and it's possibly already deprecated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_To_Go Paul |
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"Peter Jason" wrote in message
... It's true, one/some of my motherboards sockets is/are faulty, trashing the booting ability of a newly installed Win10. Is there any way to test the sockets? Would plugging in a Optical drive & testing this be good enough? Some thoughts: 1. Have you tried a different SATA cable? 2. Was the system setup to run multiple operating systems (dual-boot) and the boot menu got corrupted? Use EasyBCD to check/rebuild. 3. Have you tested the drive on another system or you can get a USB to SATA adapter and see the drive in Device Manager Disk Management 4. Look closely at the SATA connector on the motherboard and see if the connector is cracked or deformed. Some SATA cables come with clamp/locks on them and people don't see the metal retaining clip and try pulling the cable out and damage the cable and/or the SATA connector. 5. I'm surprised someone didn't recommend trying to boot from a Linux distro (USB or DVD/CD) and look at the drive. 6. Finally - a corrupted BIOS/UEFI or a CMOS battery died are other possibilities to look at. Is the BIOS setup to boot from the SATA ports - and not from USB or DVD device? Stuff happens.... Also, how about some info about the system and drive in question if none of the above helps. -- BobS |
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 01:29:37 -0400, "n/a" wrote:
"Peter Jason" wrote in message .. . It's true, one/some of my motherboards sockets is/are faulty, trashing the booting ability of a newly installed Win10. Is there any way to test the sockets? Would plugging in a Optical drive & testing this be good enough? Some thoughts: 1. Have you tried a different SATA cable? Yes, no trouble there. 2. Was the system setup to run multiple operating systems (dual-boot) and the boot menu got corrupted? Use EasyBCD to check/rebuild Yes always dual boot.. 3. Have you tested the drive on another system or you can get a USB to SATA adapter and see the drive in Device Manager Disk Management 4. Look closely at the SATA connector on the motherboard and see if the connector is cracked or deformed. Some SATA cables come with clamp/locks on them and people don't see the metal retaining clip and try pulling the cable out and damage the cable and/or the SATA connector. They have had a lot of use, especially when they get stuck in the sockets. Some have a "lock-in" mechanism that requires a knitting needle to extract. 5. I'm surprised someone didn't recommend trying to boot from a Linux distro (USB or DVD/CD) and look at the drive. 6. Finally - a corrupted BIOS/UEFI or a CMOS battery died are other possibilities to look at. Is the BIOS setup to boot from the SATA ports - and not from USB or DVD device? Stuff happens.... Also, how about some info about the system and drive in question if none of the above helps. |
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Testing motherboard Sata sockets.
"Peter Jason" wrote in message
... On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 01:29:37 -0400, "n/a" wrote: "Peter Jason" wrote in message . .. It's true, one/some of my motherboards sockets is/are faulty, trashing the booting ability of a newly installed Win10. Is there any way to test the sockets? Would plugging in a Optical drive & testing this be good enough? Some thoughts: 1. Have you tried a different SATA cable? Yes, no trouble there. 2. Was the system setup to run multiple operating systems (dual-boot) and the boot menu got corrupted? Use EasyBCD to check/rebuild Yes always dual boot.. 3. Have you tested the drive on another system or you can get a USB to SATA adapter and see the drive in Device Manager Disk Management 4. Look closely at the SATA connector on the motherboard and see if the connector is cracked or deformed. Some SATA cables come with clamp/locks on them and people don't see the metal retaining clip and try pulling the cable out and damage the cable and/or the SATA connector. They have had a lot of use, especially when they get stuck in the sockets. Some have a "lock-in" mechanism that requires a knitting needle to extract. 5. I'm surprised someone didn't recommend trying to boot from a Linux distro (USB or DVD/CD) and look at the drive. 6. Finally - a corrupted BIOS/UEFI or a CMOS battery died are other possibilities to look at. Is the BIOS setup to boot from the SATA ports - and not from USB or DVD device? Stuff happens.... Also, how about some info about the system and drive in question if none of the above helps. Peter, I'm betting the boot record or BIOS got borked. https://neosmart.net/wiki/repair-dua...configuration/ NeoSmart EasyBCD https://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/ Boot into BIOS and verify system setting are correct. Try Win10 recovery -- BobS |
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Peter,
Just to make sure that I'm understanding the problem: 1. You can boot the hard drive if it's in a different SATA port? 2. Or does it fail in every SATA port? If it's #1 then EasyBCD (free version) should work. If it's #2 then perhaps EasyRE ($20) would be a solution or use other recovery methods. BobS |
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