Wasted day

This morning Win-10 came up but with no desktop icons. I have had this
before and the usual assumptions didn't work then or now.

I checked that al the updates had installed properly. I had previously
tried to find ways to prevent them installing but it only worked for a
time. Anyway it did some checking and then decided to install update
1904. It started at 11:00 and finished at 17:27.

After rebooting there was no improvement. I am going to have to restore
from a backup - again.

I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.
I have been operating microcomputers since 1977 so I am used to teething
troubles but this should not be happening in the 21st century.



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pinnerite wrote:

This morning Win-10 came up but with no desktop icons.

Could you have accidentally clicked into 'tablet mode'?

On 20/06/2019 17:59, pinnerite wrote:


I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

You have been saying this for the past 3 years and you are still using
it. Are you mentally deranged that you keep using it when you don't
have "any confidence in Windows 10". Only an idiot would continue using
a product when the confidence in that product is almost zero. Just get
rid of it and look for alternatives. Your local supermarket will have
something that is palatable to your taste. If you buy Tescos products
then switch to Sainsbury's or M&S. I prefer M&S products but it is just
me!!!

Windows 10 is clearly not meant for people like you who can't pick up a
plate without dropping it.






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On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:27:42 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 20/06/2019 17:59, pinnerite wrote:


I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

You have been saying this for the past 3 years and you are still using
it. Are you mentally deranged that you keep using it when you don't
have "any confidence in Windows 10". Only an idiot would continue using
a product when the confidence in that product is almost zero. Just get
rid of it and look for alternatives. Your local supermarket will have
something that is palatable to your taste. If you buy Tescos products
then switch to Sainsbury's or M&S. I prefer M&S products but it is just
me!!!

Windows 10 is clearly not meant for people like you who can't pick up a
plate without dropping it.

You missed the bit about having to use it because the application
suppliers insist upon compiling against it.

Three years? Is it that long? Boy have I suffered!

Fortunately restoring from the backup was very quick and the restored
image is running well.

I may run the updates overnight to confirm that this copy is resilient.

If not I can restore again.

(No I wasn't in tablet mode.)

Actually I didn't expect help, I was just trying to find out if others
had also experienced this problem.


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Mint 19.1, kernel 4.15.0-51-generic, Cinnamon 4.0.9
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On 6/20/19 3:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:27:42 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 20/06/2019 17:59, pinnerite wrote:


I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

You have been saying this for the past 3 years and you are still using
it. Are you mentally deranged that you keep using it when you don't
have "any confidence in Windows 10". Only an idiot would continue using
a product when the confidence in that product is almost zero. Just get
rid of it and look for alternatives. Your local supermarket will have
something that is palatable to your taste. If you buy Tescos products
then switch to Sainsbury's or M&S. I prefer M&S products but it is just
me!!!

Windows 10 is clearly not meant for people like you who can't pick up a
plate without dropping it.

You missed the bit about having to use it because the application
suppliers insist upon compiling against it.

Three years? Is it that long? Boy have I suffered!

Fortunately restoring from the backup was very quick and the restored
image is running well.

I may run the updates overnight to confirm that this copy is resilient.

If not I can restore again.

(No I wasn't in tablet mode.)

Actually I didn't expect help, I was just trying to find out if others
had also experienced this problem.


If it happens again, if you can open explorer, browse to
/users/name/Desktop and see if there's a load of .lnk files.

If there are, then it's not that they are gone, they just are not being
displayed. I think at the far right end of the taskbar there used to be
a kinda of a unseen little spacer about 1/16" wide. It's supposed to be
a show/hide desktop toggle. See if 1) that is there and 2) if it does
anything.

I'm not in windows right now so I can't double check at the moment, just
taking it from memory.

Al

Big Al wrote:
On 6/20/19 3:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:27:42 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 20/06/2019 17:59, pinnerite wrote:


I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

You have been saying this for the past 3 years and you are still using
it. Are you mentally deranged that you keep using it when you don't
have "any confidence in Windows 10". Only an idiot would continue using
a product when the confidence in that product is almost zero. Just get
rid of it and look for alternatives. Your local supermarket will have
something that is palatable to your taste. If you buy Tescos products
then switch to Sainsbury's or M&S. I prefer M&S products but it is just
me!!!

Windows 10 is clearly not meant for people like you who can't pick up a
plate without dropping it.

You missed the bit about having to use it because the application
suppliers insist upon compiling against it.

Three years? Is it that long? Boy have I suffered!

Fortunately restoring from the backup was very quick and the restored
image is running well.

I may run the updates overnight to confirm that this copy is resilient.

If not I can restore again.

(No I wasn't in tablet mode.)

Actually I didn't expect help, I was just trying to find out if others
had also experienced this problem.


If it happens again, if you can open explorer, browse to
/users/name/Desktop and see if there's a load of .lnk files.

If there are, then it's not that they are gone, they just are not being
displayed. I think at the far right end of the taskbar there used to be
a kinda of a unseen little spacer about 1/16" wide. It's supposed to be
a show/hide desktop toggle. See if 1) that is there and 2) if it does
anything.

I'm not in windows right now so I can't double check at the moment, just
taking it from memory.

Al

So you're thinking maybe he had a damaged profile and
some alternate profile started ? (The alternate profile
not having the same set of desktop links.)

Desktop icons means "on the desktop", not the Taskbar icons.
And the Taskbar icons can be affected by the Apps Database
or the Tile Cache. And the churning of Windows Defender
might delay things. Or, if the .NET assemblies haven't
recompiled yet (after an update), that might be a small
factor in delayed start. (You can notice the Firewall
holds up the networking stack, until the Firewall .NET
assemblies finish compiling.)

If my OS was this unstable, I'd probably turn on System Protection
(System control panel) and do a restore point once a day. The
automation only does it once per week.

And if it seems the system shows signs of "acquiring a lot of
damage at shutdown", if could be the SSD isn't really all
that good about cleanup before lights out. There's two layers
of journaling in Windows, and that's supposed to roll back
most all of the damage.

Paul

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:30:34 -0400, Paul wrote:

Big Al wrote:
On 6/20/19 3:26 PM, pinnerite wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:27:42 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 20/06/2019 17:59, pinnerite wrote:


I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

You have been saying this for the past 3 years and you are still
using it. Are you mentally deranged that you keep using it when you
don't have "any confidence in Windows 10". Only an idiot would
continue using a product when the confidence in that product is
almost zero. Just get rid of it and look for alternatives. Your
local supermarket will have something that is palatable to your
taste. If you buy Tescos products then switch to Sainsbury's or M&S.
I prefer M&S products but it is just me!!!

Windows 10 is clearly not meant for people like you who can't pick up
a plate without dropping it.

You missed the bit about having to use it because the application
suppliers insist upon compiling against it.

Three years? Is it that long? Boy have I suffered!

Fortunately restoring from the backup was very quick and the restored
image is running well.

I may run the updates overnight to confirm that this copy is
resilient.

If not I can restore again.

(No I wasn't in tablet mode.)

Actually I didn't expect help, I was just trying to find out if others
had also experienced this problem.


If it happens again, if you can open explorer, browse to
/users/name/Desktop and see if there's a load of .lnk files.

If there are, then it's not that they are gone, they just are not being
displayed. I think at the far right end of the taskbar there used to
be a kinda of a unseen little spacer about 1/16" wide. It's supposed
to be a show/hide desktop toggle. See if 1) that is there and 2) if
it does anything.

I'm not in windows right now so I can't double check at the moment,
just taking it from memory.

Al

So you're thinking maybe he had a damaged profile and some alternate
profile started ? (The alternate profile not having the same set of
desktop links.)

Desktop icons means "on the desktop", not the Taskbar icons.
And the Taskbar icons can be affected by the Apps Database or the Tile
Cache. And the churning of Windows Defender might delay things. Or, if
the .NET assemblies haven't recompiled yet (after an update), that might
be a small factor in delayed start. (You can notice the Firewall holds
up the networking stack, until the Firewall .NET assemblies finish
compiling.)

If my OS was this unstable, I'd probably turn on System Protection
(System control panel) and do a restore point once a day. The automation
only does it once per week.

And if it seems the system shows signs of "acquiring a lot of damage at
shutdown", if could be the SSD isn't really all that good about cleanup
before lights out. There's two layers of journaling in Windows, and
that's supposed to roll back most all of the damage.

Paul

I have documented all suggestions for the future. The restored version
says that incorporates update 1903 and says it is up to date. I am
keeping my fingers crossed.

Thank you Al and Paul.

Regards, Alan



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Mint 19.1, kernel 4.15.0-51-generic, Cinnamon 4.0.9
running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition.

"pinnerite" wrote

| You missed the bit about having to use it because the application
| suppliers insist upon compiling against it.
|
You use software not supported on Win7? That
seems odd.

| Actually I didn't expect help, I was just trying to find out if others
| had also experienced this problem.
|

No. You can count your blessings that your computer
is so much fun. I'm bored to tears. Every day I boot XP.
Every day it's fast, dependable, and needs no updates.
I forget that computer problems are even possible for
months at a time.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 09:46:40 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

"pinnerite" wrote

| You missed the bit about having to use it because the application |
suppliers insist upon compiling against it.
|
You use software not supported on Win7? That
seems odd.

| Actually I didn't expect help, I was just trying to find out if others
| had also experienced this problem.
|

No. You can count your blessings that your computer
is so much fun. I'm bored to tears. Every day I boot XP.
Every day it's fast, dependable, and needs no updates.
I forget that computer problems are even possible for months at a time.


I couldn't agree more. I always felt that had Microsoft changed their
business model to update XP in an ongoing way, charging a modest annual
service charge, it would have enhanced their reputation and satisfied
their existing customers.

Now they are adding a Linux kernel to Win-10 or its successor as I
understand it. I cannot see where this is going.


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running on an AMD Phenom II X4 Black edition.

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:59:29 -0000 (UTC), pinnerite
wrote in

I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

Seems like lots of people feel the same way.

"pinnerite" wrote

|
| Now they are adding a Linux kernel to Win-10 or its successor as I
| understand it. I cannot see where this is going.
|

I wonder if they can. It used to be I'd see the dastardly
plot when they came out with new announcements. These
days they seem to be grasping at straws, as lost as the
days when Bill G was trying to take over the world with
SPOT watches. But they seem to be making the most money
these days with Azure, so maybe they're where they want
to be -- business services, with or without control of the client.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 15:49:26 -0500, VinnyB
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:59:29 -0000 (UTC), pinnerite
wrote in

I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

Seems like lots of people feel the same way.



I think that's not at all true. If you get that "lots of people"
feeling from this newsgroup or other Windows 10 forums, remember that
Windows 10 forums are where people with problems come for help with
it. They don't come here to say "Windows 10 is great." Hang around a
transmission shop and you'll think all cars have transmission
problems.

As far as I'm concerned, Windows 10 is fine. It's fine on my computer,
my wife's computer, and the computers of many other people I know.

On 2019-06-21 5:19 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 15:49:26 -0500, VinnyB
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:59:29 -0000 (UTC), pinnerite
wrote in

I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

Seems like lots of people feel the same way.



I think that's not at all true. If you get that "lots of people"
feeling from this newsgroup or other Windows 10 forums, remember that
Windows 10 forums are where people with problems come for help with
it. They don't come here to say "Windows 10 is great." Hang around a
transmission shop and you'll think all cars have transmission
problems.

As far as I'm concerned, Windows 10 is fine. It's fine on my computer,
my wife's computer, and the computers of many other people I know.


Works great for me. :-)

Rene

On 2019-06-21 6:51 p.m., KenW wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:50:25 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-06-21 5:19 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 15:49:26 -0500, VinnyB
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:59:29 -0000 (UTC), pinnerite
wrote in

I have absolutely no confidence in Window 10.

Seems like lots of people feel the same way.



I think that's not at all true. If you get that "lots of people"
feeling from this newsgroup or other Windows 10 forums, remember that
Windows 10 forums are where people with problems come for help with
it. They don't come here to say "Windows 10 is great." Hang around a
transmission shop and you'll think all cars have transmission
problems.

As far as I'm concerned, Windows 10 is fine. It's fine on my computer,
my wife's computer, and the computers of many other people I know.


Works great for me. :-)

Rene

Works great on my four machines. I just wish my laptops did the same.


KenW


Yes, laptops seem to be a little more Finicky, From what I see in these
NGs, No actual hands on experience, as I don't own one. just my opinion.

Rene

On 21/06/2019 23:19, Ken Blake wrote:



They don't come here to say "Windows 10 is great."

What about html troll? He has nothing bad to say about Windows 10.