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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:30:28 -0700
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:47:29 -0400, Paul wrote: Seth wrote: Windows 10 http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX". And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc. Maybe. I'm not convinced, but we'll see. It would not be the first time. DR-Dos jumped from version 3.41 to 5.0 about the same time MS released MS-Dos 5.0. DR never released a version 4. I can only think of one reason for this. Competition. You know there are sheepeople that think a higher version number means a better product. Mac at version 10 and Windows at version 8. Can't have that. -- Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453 The cow died so I don't need your bull! |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:47:29 -0400, Paul wrote:
Seth wrote: Windows 10 http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX". And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc. Maybe it's acknowledgment of a "subscription future". I would not accept a naive rationale for why it is "10". There is some evil in that choice, which we'll have to wait and see. This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has some other meaning. Maybe the next version is called "Windows 10" to avoid confusion with Windows 95 and 98. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver BC peterbb (at) telus.net Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: It's more expensive to buy It's less upgradable Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a serviceman It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped and broken It's more expensive to repair It's more easily stolen The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and harder to see Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind quickly. How long has it been since you've been in business environment ? Can't carry a desktop to a work meeting in the same or different building (neither qualify as travel). -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 13:35:37 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: On 10/1/14 1:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: It's more expensive to buy It's less upgradable Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a serviceman It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped and broken It's more expensive to repair It's more easily stolen The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and harder to see Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind quickly. Agreed with one exception... For some users, owning two computers to do the same thing simply is not justifiable from a practical and financial perspective. True, but chances are that those who can afford to travel can also afford a second computer. |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:09:48 +0200, A wrote:
Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: It's more expensive to buy It's less upgradable Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a serviceman It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped and broken It's more expensive to repair It's more easily stolen The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and harder to see Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind quickly. Also, it's not too easy to have three or four or more hard drives in a laptop. Good point. |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:19:52 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote: Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: It's more expensive to buy It's less upgradable Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a serviceman It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped and broken It's more expensive to repair It's more easily stolen The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and harder to see Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind quickly. How long has it been since you've been in business environment ? LOL! 21 years. Can't carry a desktop to a work meeting in the same or different building (neither qualify as travel). Good point, but I wasn't thinking of business users. I was thinking of home users. The same could be said of college students. For example, my grandson, who is a college student, has only a laptop, and that makes sense for him too, for the same reasons. |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 23:22:43 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:28:24 +0200, "s|b" wrote: Well, the number spoken English does sound like the German word for "no", and marketing people do take heed of things like that. To be clear, you're talking about the number "nine", which is "Neun" in German. "nein" is "no" in German. Exactly what I said. Say "nine" in English and it sounds very much like the German word for "no". I think Microsoft Windows is known as Windows in every country, so plenty of people would hear it spoken of as "Windows Nine", which to a German would sound like "Windows No", which is hardly encouraging. Wouldn't a German hear "Vindows Nein"? |
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On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. |
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On 10/1/2014 6:19 PM, John Doe wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: Besides screen size... The fundamental difference is power. If you're going to use a computer for portability, you don't have the power of a desktop. What do you mean by "power"? Computing power? If so that's not true. |
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| Good point, but I wasn't thinking of business users. I was thinking of
| home users. | | The same could be said of college students. For example, my grandson, | who is a college student, has only a laptop, and that makes sense for | him too, for the same reasons. I'm not so sure it makes so much sense in all cases. I know a number of people who have switched from Desktop to laptop, often from PC to Mac. Not all of them need it for work. One is a retired man who only uses it at home to write. The common thread seems to be a sort of restless feeling of need for mobility. They just have an irrational dislike of having a fixed appliance. They're "on the go", even if they're going nowhere. That sense actually overrides what should be an obviously reduced usability. I ask these people if they don't find it tedious to work with a tiny keypad, a mouse "pad" and a 15" or smaller screen, but they actually don't notice that it's ergonomically inferior. What does make sense to me is people who have a laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home. But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect that those are the people who *really* need their computer for business. |
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:58:53 -0300, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 01:09:48 +0200, A wrote: Also, it's not too easy to have three or four or more hard drives in a laptop. Good point. USB3 and new externals are making that a lot less of an issue. As it is I have 6 more or less pemanently connected to my desktop and two others float around the other pcs in the house. Coukd just as easily be a laptop or one of the other desktops I own but as they're all a slower overall pc it doesn't seem suitable and the network is only 100Mbs. Permanently connected to a desktop is easy. Permanently connected to laptop is much harder if you travel with it at all, or even if you carry it to business meetings as Winston said. I have a mostly-desk-bound laptop with other drives usb'd in. Sure, not as fast as an internal HD on a desktop, but they're my extra-space & backups, not the everyday space. Easy to unplug & take the basic laptop with me if I want, even if it's just to the living room. I don't see what's so hard about that. And I don't need high powered gear for gaming, intensive graphics, etc. bj |
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Ron wrote:
John Doe wrote: "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: Besides screen size... The fundamental difference is power. If you're going to use a computer for portability, you don't have the power of a desktop. When I consider games for my tablet, that's comes to mind. Chess might be fun, but it's going to suck the battery dry. I have a feeling that's why the maker of X-Plane abandoned its attempt on the tablet, flight simulation is power-hungry. That goes for lots of games. It's going to be decades before battery technology is up to the task. But tablets are a lot of fun anyway. What do you mean by "power"? Computing power? If so that's not true. You should not have snipped so much of my post since you are confused. I don't want to have to explain everything over and over again. You do know what "portability" means? It means you are running off of battery power. Part of it depends on how much portability you need and how many times you want to cycle the battery during a day. You will notice that the most intense and enjoyable games are not on tablets. I'm talking about mainstream games. Any gamer knows what I'm talking about... Like $200+ video card gaming. Like gaming systems that require 500+ W power supplies. Tablets are cool but they can't do miracles. Like I said, it will be decades before battery power will allow them to do the tricks that a desktop personal computer can do. |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:09:10 +0000 (UTC), Bert
wrote: In Paul wrote: This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has some other meaning. It was chosen to avoid all the "Nein! Nein! Nein!" jokes. Possibly. I have made jokes about Windows 8 (W8 i.e. wait), and the nein joke about 9. Why don't they call it Windows 11, and say "This operating system goes up to 11!"? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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