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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 19:49:22 -0400, Ron wrote:
[re Under The Dome] It was meant to be a miniseries but its popularity keeps it going. I don't know how long they can keep this going, surely it can't last more than another season or two. Since the story is based on a novel it does have an ending and that ending is coming next season. Does it make any sense? I haven't read it and have stayed away from anything that might spoil the show. Very wise, though from what I've seen so far, my feeling is that actually watching it might spoil the show. It seems to be taking a very long time to get to the point, if there is one. Rod. |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 18:00:04 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: As for multitasking, a friend has read about some studies that seem to show that people who do practice multitasking are less productive than those that do not. I suspect the time is lost switching between the tasks. That's true for me. I am far more productive doing one thing at a time. Even trivial distractions slow me down. Just now the couple chatting in the next room is slowing me typing this message because I keep have to stop so I can hear what they are saying. Quite so, and the same re multiple desktops. How many things is it necessary to have simultaneously at one's fingertips, and what's wrong with standard keyboard shortcuts on a modern PC than can load any required application in less than 2 seconds? Just because it loads the application in less than 2 seconds, does that timeframe include the file user needs also? I would think a combo of hardware and the particular software would have an effect on that timeframe. I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here, but what I'm trying to say is that a modern PC takes so little time to run an application that it no longer seems necessary to "cheat" by having several running simultaneously and switching between them. It really is a matter of seconds now, which is more than fast enough for a human user (this one, at any rate). As for multiple desktops, or other methods of using/operating a computer, what works for you won't work for everyone. Multiple desktops work for me. I know your way would drive me up the wall! LOL As for finding files, the hierarchical subdivision of information into directories (or folders) that we've had since DOS, is a profoundly intuitive system that Melvil Dewey would have recognised, and Windows Explorer (or its equivalent in any modern Linux system) offers such a clear pictorial representation of it that I rarely find it necessary to use anything else. I am surprised, after all these years, the discussion of what is the best way to use/operate a computer is still being brought up. :-) I'd be very surprised if we'd all reached agreement. :-) Rod. |
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On 10/3/14 3:32 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 18:00:04 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: As for multitasking, a friend has read about some studies that seem to show that people who do practice multitasking are less productive than those that do not. I suspect the time is lost switching between the tasks. That's true for me. I am far more productive doing one thing at a time. Even trivial distractions slow me down. Just now the couple chatting in the next room is slowing me typing this message because I keep have to stop so I can hear what they are saying. Quite so, and the same re multiple desktops. How many things is it necessary to have simultaneously at one's fingertips, and what's wrong with standard keyboard shortcuts on a modern PC than can load any required application in less than 2 seconds? Just because it loads the application in less than 2 seconds, does that timeframe include the file user needs also? I would think a combo of hardware and the particular software would have an effect on that timeframe. I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here, but what I'm trying to say is that a modern PC takes so little time to run an application that it no longer seems necessary to "cheat" by having several running simultaneously and switching between them. It really is a matter of seconds now, which is more than fast enough for a human user (this one, at any rate). OK. :-) Let's pick a rather sophisticated application, like Photoshop. When you say it takes 2 seconds to load the application, in this case Photoshop, in your example does that include the file you are going to manipulate, or does it take an extra X amount of seconds to load the file? If it takes another 10 seconds to load the file, then you have a total time of 12 seconds before you can go to work. As for multiple desktops, or other methods of using/operating a computer, what works for you won't work for everyone. Multiple desktops work for me. I know your way would drive me up the wall! LOL As for finding files, the hierarchical subdivision of information into directories (or folders) that we've had since DOS, is a profoundly intuitive system that Melvil Dewey would have recognised, and Windows Explorer (or its equivalent in any modern Linux system) offers such a clear pictorial representation of it that I rarely find it necessary to use anything else. I never found it difficult to understand the display of directories in text based systems like DOS, but many did. Folders in a GUI are better, but it still baffles me how many people don't understand or realize the hierarchical structure. Every system has its loopholes, though, even Dewey's. A friend of mine knew of a book in a library, and the general Dewey Decimal system placement. Went to a different library, right to that section, and was miffed they didn't have a copy. I went to the card catalogue, looked up the book, and that library had classified the book differently, so it had a different Dewey decimal number. Neither library was wrong, the book could legitimately be classified in either location. I am surprised, after all these years, the discussion of what is the best way to use/operate a computer is still being brought up. :-) I'd be very surprised if we'd all reached agreement. :-) If that ever happens, it will be Armageddon! LOL Rod. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 17:38:53 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:55:15 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: As for multitasking, a friend has read about some studies that seem to show that people who do practice multitasking are less productive than those that do not. I suspect the time is lost switching between the tasks. That's true for me. I am far more productive doing one thing at a time. Even trivial distractions slow me down. Just now the couple chatting in the next room is slowing me typing this message because I keep have to stop so I can hear what they are saying. Quite so, and the same re multiple desktops. How many things is it necessary to have simultaneously at one's fingertips, and what's wrong with standard keyboard shortcuts on a modern PC than can load any required application in less than 2 seconds? Rod. Some applications require the user less often than others. I have a forecasting application that uses all available CPU. It alerts the user when it needs help. On single CPU systems the desktop is using the user! So the choice is to have multiple CPUs or multiple desktops. These days most PCs have multiple CPUs but there are still a lot of single CPU systems around! Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 04:30:45 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here, but what I'm trying to say is that a modern PC takes so little time to run an application that it no longer seems necessary to "cheat" by having several running simultaneously and switching between them. It really is a matter of seconds now, which is more than fast enough for a human user (this one, at any rate). OK. :-) Let's pick a rather sophisticated application, like Photoshop. When you say it takes 2 seconds to load the application, in this case Photoshop, in your example does that include the file you are going to manipulate, or does it take an extra X amount of seconds to load the file? If it takes another 10 seconds to load the file, then you have a total time of 12 seconds before you can go to work. Photoshop is one of the most humongous pieces of bloatware I've ever encountered, so I don't consider it representative of anything except itself. I did buy it once, but stopped bothering to upgrade it several versions ago because upgrading the software became ridculously expensive, and the number of hoops I was required to jump through each time I upgraded something on my computer simply became too tiresome for me to bother. The last time I replaced the hard drive, I had to contact Adobe and give them a load of personal information all over again, then download and install another huge file with a new copy of the program. Meanwhile, everything else just worked. Every time I run Photoshop, a panel asks me if I want to register, which I don't, so I click the "Do not register" button, but it asks me again every time I try to use it. From clicking the icon to being presented with this registration panel takes 4 seconds, which is twice as long as nearly everything else. A new copy of the current version of Photoshop would cost more than the computer itself, which is an absurd state of affairs, so the next time it stops working because of something I've done that's completely unrelated and none of Adobe's business, I'm going to ditch it. Thank goodness there are alternatives. Rod. |
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| Datpoint 2: I gave away my last 3 desktops. You can't sell them in yard
| sales any more. Even Goo0dwill won't take them unless they are in | working order. Old PCs for parts? I'll be happy to accept your current PC, before the fashion police catch you with it. No need to argue with Goodwill. Just ship it to me and I'll find someone willing to "suffer" with it. While we're on the topic of outdated technology, have you heard about Lyft? No one who's anyone drives anymore. Cars are for losers. But have no fear. You're in luck. I'm willing to take that late model car off your hands for a small fee. You'll never have to drive again. Picture yourself as a hip AppleSeed in the back seat of a Lyft car, on your way to a mobile tech convention. Act now and that can all be yours! But that's not all! For a limited time only I'll also help dispose of an iPhone 5 or equivalent obsolete technology for no extra charge! Still not convinced? Act now and we'll also accept your wife's old Lululemon 2014 model black tights! Heck, we'll even let you send us 6 newish steak knives if you call in the next 15 minutes! |
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On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:32:02 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: What does make sense to me is people who have a laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home. But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect that those are the people who *really* need their computer for business. A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it. I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. -- Silver Slimer OpenMedia Supporter Help control the parasite population, have your GNU/Linux advocate spayed or neutered. |
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On 10/3/14 8:17 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-10-03 6:30 AM, Ken Springer wrote: [...] OK. :-) Let's pick a rather sophisticated application, like Photoshop. When you say it takes 2 seconds to load the application, in this case Photoshop, in your example does that include the file you are going to manipulate, or does it take an extra X amount of seconds to load the file? If it takes another 10 seconds to load the file, then you have a total time of 12 seconds before you can go to work. [...] Don't know about Photoshop, but Elements is so fast I don't notice unless the image is around 20MB and up. Ditto with XnView, Irfanview etc. Image load time isn't the real issue, it's processing time. That depends on image size, not program. They all use similar algorithms, based on the same theoretical underpinnings. OTOH, Saving a manipulated image takes noticeably longer than loading the working file, because it replaces that file. Elements is basically a subset of Photoshop, so a speed comparison there is probably not too relevant. There's even some difference in features too. FWIW, you can download all the CS2 parts and pieces for free and legal from Adobe. And of course, hardware matters. On this machine, the "integrated" graphics chip is faster than the graphics card was on my previous machine. If I were into heavy image manipulation for (semi-)professional reasons, I'd certainly buy very fast graphics card. HTH -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 10/1/2014 5:20 PM, Orion wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:15:48 -0400, Art Todesco wrote: On 9/30/2014 1:27 PM, Seth wrote: Windows 10 http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8. :To me, Windows 8 looks more like Windows 7 than Windows 10 does. :That's because I have Windows 8 running with Start8 here. Honestly - I don't see much difference between win 8.1 and 10... I sure hope that Australis goes the same way. What a disaster! And then they cram it down out throats saying, "you'll love it!" |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:35:23 -0400, Silver Slimer
wrote: On 14-10-02 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Because tomorrow might be the day that you finally have an accident. LOL! Thanks for telling me the same thing I said. The only difference is that I said it in a slightly more subtle way |
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On 10/02/2014 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:32:02 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: What does make sense to me is people who have a laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home. But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect that those are the people who *really* need their computer for business. A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it. I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Boy you are young. -- Caver1 |
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On 10/01/2014 09:27 PM, Ron wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. MS has lost nearly $2 billion on the Surface since it has been on the market. MS is hoping to turn that loss into aleast a break even. -- Caver1 |
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Wolf K wrote:
a) Photoshop is definitely overpriced But in the past, there were promotions of one sort and another. A copy of Photoshop (full) came with an expensive scanner. A copy of Photoshop Lite used to be included in a certain Maxtor retail disk drive box. I gave my copy away to a friend who needed a copy. So if you kept your eyes open, there were ways of acquiring a copy. And that CS2 download stuff gives you a route, if you're really desperate. Since I just use GIMP for simple things now, I don't have the interest in Photoshop. (My full copy of Photoshop, is on the machine that is dedicated to running the scanner.) When I would be interested, is if I had 200 photos that needed the exact same processing steps, as the macro recorder capability was first-rate. I scanned a couple of documents from work (supplier specifications), and the macro recorded processing steps meant I could relax between one page scan to the next. I didn't see a macro recorder in GIMP. Maybe I missed it. At least GIMP, they fixed the memory model so that tiled images behave a lot better. (They used some sort of tiling scheme when drawing things on the screen. It was dog-slow at one time, and you could see the tiles incoming.) Paul |
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On 10/3/14 11:20 AM, Paul wrote:
Wolf K wrote: a) Photoshop is definitely overpriced But in the past, there were promotions of one sort and another. A copy of Photoshop (full) came with an expensive scanner. A copy of Photoshop Lite used to be included in a certain Maxtor retail disk drive box. I gave my copy away to a friend who needed a copy. So if you kept your eyes open, there were ways of acquiring a copy. And that CS2 download stuff gives you a route, if you're really desperate. Since I just use GIMP for simple things now, I don't have the interest in Photoshop. (My full copy of Photoshop, is on the machine that is dedicated to running the scanner.) When I would be interested, is if I had 200 photos that needed the exact same processing steps, as the macro recorder capability was first-rate. I scanned a couple of documents from work (supplier specifications), and the macro recorded processing steps meant I could relax between one page scan to the next. I didn't see a macro recorder in GIMP. Maybe I missed it. At least GIMP, they fixed the memory model so that tiled images behave a lot better. (They used some sort of tiling scheme when drawing things on the screen. It was dog-slow at one time, and you could see the tiles incoming.) Hi, Paul, Did you consider using a macro recorder utility? That should make using macros available in any program, regardless if there's one built in or not. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 10/3/2014 11:37 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/01/2014 09:27 PM, Ron wrote: On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. MS has lost nearly $2 billion on the Surface since it has been on the market. MS is hoping to turn that loss into aleast a break even. Last night I was watching Thursday Night Football and there were ad banners for the Surface Pro at Lambeau Field. |
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