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  #46  
Old January 21st 09, 02:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Richie Hardwick[_2_]
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:32:02 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Richie Hardwick wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:11:29 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully.


In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and Bill's inability
to ever fully understand Casper.

Richie Hardwick


Haven't used it.


Then perhaps you shouldn't be trying to explain it to anyone. Hmm?

But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.


Having a "different perspective" and being wrong are two different
things. Stick to what you know and you'll cause everyone a lot less
confusion.

Richie Hardwick
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  #47  
Old January 21st 09, 03:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Anna
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Haven't used it. But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.



Bill:
Unless I'm mistaken the "it" you refer to is the Casper 5 program. Are you
indicating that in all this time we've discussed that program and have gone
into extensive detail re its use & capabilities, etc., you haven't once used
that program? Even the trial version?
Anna


  #48  
Old January 21st 09, 03:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Richie Hardwick[_2_]
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:35:18 -0500, "Anna" wrote:


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Haven't used it. But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.



Bill:
Unless I'm mistaken the "it" you refer to is the Casper 5 program. Are you
indicating that in all this time we've discussed that program and have gone
into extensive detail re its use & capabilities, etc., you haven't once used
that program? Even the trial version?
Anna


Amazing, huh?

Richie Hardwick
  #49  
Old January 21st 09, 04:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Anna wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Haven't used it. But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.



Bill:
Unless I'm mistaken the "it" you refer to is the Casper 5 program. Are you
indicating that in all this time we've discussed that program and have
gone
into extensive detail re its use & capabilities, etc., you haven't once
used
that program? Even the trial version?
Anna


I installed it some time ago but later uninstalled it and am still using
imaging, for several of the reasons we've already mentioned (like
multigenerational backups). So what I've learned (or not) about Casper has
come from reading your (and some other's) posts about Casper, and some vague
recollections of when I first installed it. I *do*, however, have
firsthand experience with the other programs (Boot-It-NG (aka BING), ATI
Home Version 11, and Partition Magic), which I have used. At this point,
just keeping track of those 3 is enough (and what they can or can't do very
well).


  #50  
Old January 21st 09, 04:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Richie Hardwick wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:32:02 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Richie Hardwick wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:11:29 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully.

In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and Bill's inability
to ever fully understand Casper.

Richie Hardwick


Haven't used it.


Then perhaps you shouldn't be trying to explain it to anyone. Hmm?

But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.


Having a "different perspective" and being wrong are two different
things. Stick to what you know and you'll cause everyone a lot less
confusion.

Richie Hardwick


Are you talking about me or you? Some self projection duly noted. I
wasn't the one who was so confused about the active partition, and having
several cloned partitions on the backup drive with different drive letters
assigned to them, as you were. Even after I explained that to you (in
reference to BING). You thought that had to be an imaged backup, and as I
explained to you, it was NOT. And it *was* a partition clone. Get that?
A clone of an individual partition, NOT the entire source drive. It was
NOT an image file.


  #51  
Old January 21st 09, 04:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Anna wrote:
Anna writes...
Wally:
Bill is absolutely correct. There's no problem using the Casper 5
program to clone the contents of one's booting HDD (the "source" HDD)
to
a *partition* on the destination HDD, i.e., the recipient of the clone.

Taking the example where a user's destination HDD is a USB external
HDD...



WaIIy wrote:
Well, after reading this more times, I comprehend what you're saying.

I'm surprised I can clone my C drive that has three partitions to one of
three partitions on a second drive.

Live and learn - Thanks for taking the time to explain all this.
Wally



"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I think you meant above that you can clone A partition on your C drive
over to a (cloned) partition on the second drive.



"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Think of partition cloning as making an exact copy of the source drive's
partition on the destination drive. Like if your source drive has C
and
D partitions, and you clone just the C partition, that one, and that one
alone, will be copied to the destination drive.

OR

If you clone the entire drive, ALL partitions on the source drive are
copied over to the second drive, and in that case (unless I'm mistaken
here), you're right - the destination drive will have whatever was
previously stored on it, wiped out.



Bill:
Just to slightly amend your last paragraph which may be a bit misleading
to
some...

Let's say the user has multi-partitioned his or her destination drive -
say,
for example with five partitions. Using Casper 5 the user could clone the
contents of his or her source HDD (whether a single partition or more than
one partition) to *any* particular partition on the destination HDD he or
she desires.


But it's one-to-one. Unless you are talking about taking say 5 separate
partitions on the source drive, and cloning them all over into one large
extended partition on the destination drive? But that extended partition
on the destination drive will include those 5 individual partitions, each
having assigned to it a different drive letter, as on the source drive.

Unless you are saying they would somehow all be *merged* on the destination
drive, which makes little sense to me at this point. Maybe I'm having a
senior moment though. :-)

ONLY if *that* destination partition contained previous
contents would those contents be "wiped out". NONE of the other partitions
on the destination HDD would be affected in *any* way.


OK. And using Casper, if one chooses to clone the entire source drive,
and say the destination drive is much larger and has data all over it in
several other partitions, you're saying that those other partitions on the
destination drive will not automatically be wiped out. (IOW, you don't
end up with unallocated space in what's left after the cloning).

The same basic scenario would hold true should the user desire to clone
only
a single partition on his multi-partitioned source HDD. The user could
clone
that partition to *any* partition on the destination HDD on *only* that
destination partition would be affected by the clone, i.e., prior contents
would be deleted. Again, the other partitions on that multi-partitioned
destination would *not* be affected in any way.

I think you're aware of all this but I wanted to make it clear to others.
Anna


No, its good to go over it, as I'm not aware of all of it either.


  #52  
Old January 21st 09, 04:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

If I'm wrong here, please advise, Anna.

Bill in Co. wrote:
Anna wrote:
"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
I'm very confused. I think you are saying I can clone my C drive to a
partition on another drive.

I didn't think I could do that.

Let's say my C drive has three partitions. I don't think you can clone
that to one partition on another drive. Doesn't make sense to me.

My understanding is a CLONE wipes out the destination drive.

I guess I need to understand when you mean COPY and when you mean CLONE
in your descriptions above.
or, I'm just confused



Wally:
Yes, as I've tried to explain, Casper 5 does have the capability of doing
exactly that.

You can set up as many partitions as you desire on your destination
drive -
say a USB external HDD - and clone those three partitions (presumably
encompassing the entire source disk, yes?) to *any* partition that you
set
up on your destination HDD. The *only* requirement is that the
destination
partition is, of course, sufficient in size to hold the contents of your
source HDD, i.e., the three partitions. In other words you're cloning the
disk containing the three partitions to a single partition on the
destination drive if that's what you want. The remaining partitions on
the
destination drive can then be used for *any* purpose you want.

On the other hand, if you wanted to clone *individual* partitions on the
source disk to a particular partition on the destination drive you could
also do that. It would simply be a partition-to-partition clone.

Hope I've made this clear.
Anna


Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully. I was under the
impression you could EITHER do a partition-by-partition cloning operation,
OR clone the entire HD with or without several partitions over the
destination disk.

And NOT that you could clone, for example 5 individual source drive
partitions over to a SINGLE partition on the destination drive, UNLESS
that
one is just a big extended one that incorporates the five partitions - but
it's still really 5 partitions on the destination drive that were
effectively cloned, and not just one, and each would presumably have a
different drive letter assoicated with it. Or maybe it depends on how
you
look at it.



  #53  
Old January 21st 09, 05:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:35:18 -0500, "Anna" wrote:


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
.. .
Haven't used it. But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.



Bill:
Unless I'm mistaken the "it" you refer to is the Casper 5 program. Are you
indicating that in all this time we've discussed that program and have gone
into extensive detail re its use & capabilities, etc., you haven't once used
that program? Even the trial version?
Anna


hee hee

You're good, really good.


She's nonplussed because Bill has asked/re-asked a bazillion questions
of her over the past 6 months or more while trying gain an
understanding of the program. Naturally, she assumed he was using it.
  #54  
Old January 21st 09, 05:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Max Goldman wrote:
WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:35:18 -0500, "Anna" wrote:


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Haven't used it. But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.


Bill:
Unless I'm mistaken the "it" you refer to is the Casper 5 program. Are
you
indicating that in all this time we've discussed that program and have
gone
into extensive detail re its use & capabilities, etc., you haven't once
used
that program? Even the trial version?
Anna


hee hee

You're good, really good.


She's nonplussed because Bill has asked/re-asked a bazillion questions
of her over the past 6 months or more while trying gain an
understanding of the program. Naturally, she assumed he was using it.


I did use it once. On top of the other 3 programs I've already mentioned
(unlike anyone else in here). So, give it a rest. :-)


  #55  
Old January 21st 09, 07:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

WaIIy wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:25:44 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Max Goldman wrote:
WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:35:18 -0500, "Anna"

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Haven't used it. But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.


Bill:
Unless I'm mistaken the "it" you refer to is the Casper 5 program. Are
you indicating that in all this time we've discussed that program and
have
gone into extensive detail re its use & capabilities, etc., you
haven't once
used that program? Even the trial version?
Anna


Well, that wasn't quite accurate, as I already stated.

hee hee

You're good, really good.


Thank you.

She's nonplussed because Bill has asked/re-asked a bazillion questions
of her over the past 6 months or more while trying gain an
understanding of the program. Naturally, she assumed he was using it.


Look, many of us in here were benefitting from Anna's expertise and good
explanations. So, stuff it. :-) This isn't a personal issue, or a
sales job, so don't try to make it one. :-)

I did use it once. On top of the other 3 programs I've already
mentioned
(unlike anyone else in here). So, give it a rest. :-)


I never would have guessed that backing stuff up could be so entertaining.


I'm not sure the appropriate adjective here is "entertaining", per se. :-)

Now, putting all this nonsense and the snide remarks aside, and moving
forward, as in the spirit of our new President:

You can't believe how much there really is to it, if you really get into it,
and all the various details and possibilities. There are sooo many
variations and combinations possible, and potentially problematic ones, if
you mess up. Like the occasional horror stories heard here about how some
lost their backup, or now their system won't boot, or now they discover
windows is on the D drive!, or whatever.
And then this whole more general thing about cloning vs imaging, and the
pros and cons of each. That always leads to a "spirited" debate here.


  #56  
Old January 21st 09, 04:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
If I'm wrong here, please advise, Anna.



"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
I'm very confused. I think you are saying I can clone my C drive to a
partition on another drive.

I didn't think I could do that.

Let's say my C drive has three partitions. I don't think you can clone
that to one partition on another drive. Doesn't make sense to me.

My understanding is a CLONE wipes out the destination drive.

I guess I need to understand when you mean COPY and when you mean CLONE
in your descriptions above.
or, I'm just confused



Anna wrote:
Wally:
Yes, as I've tried to explain, Casper 5 does have the capability of
doing
exactly that.

You can set up as many partitions as you desire on your destination
drive - say a USB external HDD - and clone those three partitions
(presumably
encompassing the entire source disk, yes?) to *any* partition that you
set up on your destination HDD. The *only* requirement is that the
destination partition is, of course, sufficient in size to hold the
contents of your
source HDD, i.e., the three partitions. In other words you're cloning
the
disk containing the three partitions to a single partition on the
destination drive if that's what you want. The remaining partitions on
the destination drive can then be used for *any* purpose you want.

On the other hand, if you wanted to clone *individual* partitions on the
source disk to a particular partition on the destination drive you could
also do that. It would simply be a partition-to-partition clone.

Hope I've made this clear.
Anna



Bill in Co. wrote:
Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully. I was under the
impression you could EITHER do a partition-by-partition cloning
operation,
OR clone the entire HD with or without several partitions over the
destination disk.

And NOT that you could clone, for example 5 individual source drive
partitions over to a SINGLE partition on the destination drive, UNLESS
that one is just a big extended one that incorporates the five
partitions - but
it's still really 5 partitions on the destination drive that were
effectively cloned, and not just one, and each would presumably have a
different drive letter assoicated with it. Or maybe it depends on how
you look at it.



Bill:
First of all, as I've tried to emphasize...

Forget about drive letter assignments on partitions of a USB external HDD in
the context of this discussion re the Casper 5 disk-cloning process. Drive
letter assignments involving a USBEHD (designed to be the recipient device
of one or more clones) are of *NO* relevance in this process. Please try to
understand that.

Let me try to make this partition-disk cloning process as clear as possible
using the following example...

(For simplicity's sake we're using approximate figures)...

Let's assume the user's source (boot) HDD - say a 300 GB HDD - contains
three partitions - the C: partition, the D: partition and the E: partition.
Obviously the C: partition is his or her's boot partition. Let's say the C:
partition is 80 GB in size and contains 30 GB of data.

Now the D: partition may have been used for installing the user's programs,
or for
whatever purpose. Let's say the D: partition is 90 GB in size and contains
50 GB of data.

The E: partition is likewise used for data storage of one type or another.
Let's say that E: partition is 130 GB in size and contains 40 GB of data.

So the three partitions totaling 300 GB in size contain 120 GB of data.

A more-or-less typical scenario followed by many users in multi-partitioning
their
day-to-day working HDD, right? Although obviously the number of partitions
and amount of data will, of course, be different from user-to-user.

So in our example the source disk's first partition of 80 GB represents 26%
of the total disk space of the 300 GB HDD.
The second partion of 90 GB represents 31% of the total disk space.
And the final third partition of 130 GB represents 43% of total disk space.

Now the user has a 250 GB USBEHD which he or she intends to be the recipient
of one or more clones (or partitions) of the user's source HDD.

Using the Casper 5 program, the user has various options to choose from...

1. He or she can clone the *entire* contents of their source HDD (containing
the three partitions) to a single partition created on the USBEHD. In
effect, a disk-to-disk clone. The user would not have to partition/format
the USBEHD "destination" drive in this situation - the destination HDD could
even be a brand-new out-of-the-box disk; the partitioning/formatting process
would be automatically accomplished by the Casper program through its
disk-cloning process.

Under this scenario Casper would automatically create three partitions on
the USB destination HDD, mirroring the partitions of the source drive. But
since the destination drive is of a different total size than the source
drive the resultant partitions will be established on a *proportional*
basis.

So partition #1 of that 250 destination drive GB drive will be 65 GB (26% of
the total disk space);
Partition #2 will be 77 GB (31% of the total disk space);
Partition #3 will be 108 GB (43% of the total disk space).

AGAIN, FORGET ABOUT THE DRIVE LETTER ASSIGNMENTS ON THE DESTINATION DRIVE.
THEY HAVE NO RELEVANCE IF & WHEN THEIR CONTENTS ARE USED FOR RESTORATION
PURPOSES.

2. However, the user will, of course, have another option in creating
(ordinarily through Disk Management) whatever number & size partitions he or
she desires on their destination HDD. They could then clone the entire
contents of their source HDD to one of the partitions so created (a
disk-to-partition) clone, or choose to clone individual partitons on the
source drive to this or that partition on the destination HDD.

3. Still another option the user will have with the Casper program is
creating a partition on the destination HDD only sufficient in size to
contain the *actual* data contents of a source drive's partition.

Say the user desires to set up a partition on the destination HDD only
sufficient in size to hold the contents of his or her source HDD - in our
example presently 120 GB of data. No problem. That is easily done with a
click of the mouse. The resultant partition on the destination HDD will then
be 120 GB; the remaining disk space on the destination HDD could then be
partitioned along whatever lines the user desires.

The next time the user clones the contents of his/her source HDD, let's say
those contents now total 150 GB in size. Again, no problem. A new partition
of 150 GB will be created on the destination HDD to contain those cloned
contents. Naturally the previously created 120 GB partition will simply
disappear.

Again, the only requirement is that the destination partition be sufficient
in size to hold the cloned contents, be they the contents of a partition or
the contents of a disk.
Anna


  #57  
Old January 22nd 09, 04:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Anna wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
If I'm wrong here, please advise, Anna.



"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
I'm very confused. I think you are saying I can clone my C drive to a
partition on another drive.

I didn't think I could do that.

Let's say my C drive has three partitions. I don't think you can
clone
that to one partition on another drive. Doesn't make sense to me.

My understanding is a CLONE wipes out the destination drive.

I guess I need to understand when you mean COPY and when you mean
CLONE in your descriptions above. or, I'm just confused



Anna wrote:
Wally:
Yes, as I've tried to explain, Casper 5 does have the capability of
doing exactly that.

You can set up as many partitions as you desire on your destination
drive - say a USB external HDD - and clone those three partitions
(presumably
encompassing the entire source disk, yes?) to *any* partition that you
set up on your destination HDD. The *only* requirement is that the
destination partition is, of course, sufficient in size to hold the
contents of your
source HDD, i.e., the three partitions. In other words you're cloning
the disk containing the three partitions to a single partition on the
destination drive if that's what you want. The remaining partitions on
the destination drive can then be used for *any* purpose you want.

On the other hand, if you wanted to clone *individual* partitions on
the
source disk to a particular partition on the destination drive you
could
also do that. It would simply be a partition-to-partition clone.

Hope I've made this clear.
Anna



Bill in Co. wrote:
Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully. I was under the
impression you could EITHER do a partition-by-partition cloning
operation,
OR clone the entire HD with or without several partitions over the
destination disk.

And NOT that you could clone, for example 5 individual source drive
partitions over to a SINGLE partition on the destination drive, UNLESS
that one is just a big extended one that incorporates the five
partitions - but it's still really 5 partitions on the destination drive
that were
effectively cloned, and not just one, and each would presumably have a
different drive letter assoicated with it. Or maybe it depends on how
you look at it.



Bill:
First of all, as I've tried to emphasize...

Forget about drive letter assignments on partitions of a USB external HDD
in
the context of this discussion re the Casper 5 disk-cloning process. Drive
letter assignments involving a USBEHD (designed to be the recipient device
of one or more clones) are of *NO* relevance in this process. Please try
to
understand that.


Comment: they can be of significance to me. I'm not just talking about in
terms of succeeding in copying the data or not. More on that below.

Let me try to make this partition-disk cloning process as clear as
possible
using the following example...

(For simplicity's sake we're using approximate figures)...

Let's assume the user's source (boot) HDD - say a 300 GB HDD - contains
three partitions - the C: partition, the D: partition and the E:
partition.
Obviously the C: partition is his or her's boot partition. Let's say the
C:
partition is 80 GB in size and contains 30 GB of data.

Now the D: partition may have been used for installing the user's
programs,
or for
whatever purpose. Let's say the D: partition is 90 GB in size and contains
50 GB of data.

The E: partition is likewise used for data storage of one type or another.
Let's say that E: partition is 130 GB in size and contains 40 GB of data.

So the three partitions totaling 300 GB in size contain 120 GB of data.


OK. On the source drive we have 3 partitions with a total of 120 GB of
data between them, but in separate partitions, *which is presumably the way
we want to keep it* on the backup drive. More below.

A more-or-less typical scenario followed by many users in
multi-partitioning
their
day-to-day working HDD, right? Although obviously the number of partitions
and amount of data will, of course, be different from user-to-user.

So in our example the source disk's first partition of 80 GB represents
26%
of the total disk space of the 300 GB HDD.
The second partion of 90 GB represents 31% of the total disk space.
And the final third partition of 130 GB represents 43% of total disk
space.

Now the user has a 250 GB USBEHD which he or she intends to be the
recipient of one or more clones (or partitions) of the user's source HDD.


And strictly (or at least normally) speaking, that means each of the three
partitions must be preserved on the backup too, and not combined into one
partition there.

Using the Casper 5 program, the user has various options to choose from...

1. He or she can clone the *entire* contents of their source HDD
(containing
the three partitions) to a single partition created on the USBEHD. In
effect, a disk-to-disk clone. The user would not have to partition/format
the USBEHD "destination" drive in this situation - the destination HDD
could
even be a brand-new out-of-the-box disk; the partitioning/formatting
process
would be automatically accomplished by the Casper program through its
disk-cloning process.

Under this scenario Casper would automatically create three partitions on
the USB destination HDD, mirroring the partitions of the source drive.


That's my point - yes. (and that they will also show up in explorer with
their own drive letters, naturally, bumping up any flash drives letter
assignments that are plugged in now in terms of their previous drive
letters, which can be a nuisance).

But since the destination drive is of a different total size than the
source
drive the resultant partitions will be established on a *proportional*
basis.


Right. Of course.

So partition #1 of that 250 destination drive GB drive will be 65 GB (26%
of
the total disk space);
Partition #2 will be 77 GB (31% of the total disk space);
Partition #3 will be 108 GB (43% of the total disk space).

AGAIN, FORGET ABOUT THE DRIVE LETTER ASSIGNMENTS ON THE DESTINATION DRIVE.
THEY HAVE NO RELEVANCE IF & WHEN THEIR CONTENTS ARE USED FOR RESTORATION
PURPOSES.


No, but they CAN have relevance to me (besides simply looking at this from
the point of view of restoration purposes), as I suggested above. Like if
you are keeping that external drive connected during normal use.

2. However, the user will, of course, have another option in creating
(ordinarily through Disk Management) whatever number & size partitions he
or
she desires on their destination HDD. They could then clone the entire
contents of their source HDD to one of the partitions so created (a
disk-to-partition) clone,


And end up with 3 partitions on the destination drive. So when you say
this, it sounds like youre saying it's combining 3 into 1, but it's not.
So you are saying in this example it will copy the contents of the 3 source
partitions and merge them all together inside 1 partition on the destination
drive, effectively destroying the previously-separated (by using different
partition) data. Not nice. UNLESS the user wanted to consolidate all of
the 3 partitions.

or choose to clone individual partitons on the
source drive to this or that partition on the destination HDD.

3. Still another option the user will have with the Casper program is
creating a partition on the destination HDD only sufficient in size to
contain the *actual* data contents of a source drive's partition.


The actual data of all 3 partitions in the source? But why would someone
want to do that anyways, unless they were trying to merge the 3 partitions
into one, which sounds quite atypical.

Say the user desires to set up a partition on the destination HDD only
sufficient in size to hold the contents of his or her source HDD - in our
example presently 120 GB of data. No problem. That is easily done with a
click of the mouse. The resultant partition on the destination HDD will
then
be 120 GB; the remaining disk space on the destination HDD could then be
partitioned along whatever lines the user desires.

The next time the user clones the contents of his/her source HDD, let's
say
those contents now total 150 GB in size.


But that's being stored in 3 separate partitions, presumably for a reason.

Again, no problem. A new partition
of 150 GB will be created on the destination HDD to contain those cloned
contents. Naturally the previously created 120 GB partition will simply
disappear.


Again, I don't know why anyone would want to do that. Put them all into one
partition on the backup.

But assuming they could, somehow:

If they then wanted to restore that back to the source drive, by recloning
it all back to the source drive, how would Casper be able to know (or even
could it) what to put back in EACH of the 3 separate source drive
partitions?

Again, the only requirement is that the destination partition be
sufficient
in size to hold the cloned contents, be they the contents of a partition
or
the contents of a disk.
Anna


Right.


  #58  
Old January 22nd 09, 06:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Richie Hardwick[_2_]
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:56:29 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Now the user has a 250 GB USBEHD which he or she intends to be the
recipient of one or more clones (or partitions) of the user's source HDD.


And strictly (or at least normally) speaking, that means each of the three
partitions must be preserved on the backup too, and not combined into one
partition there.


They won't be combined.


And end up with 3 partitions on the destination drive. So when you say
this, it sounds like youre saying it's combining 3 into 1, but it's not.
So you are saying in this example it will copy the contents of the 3 source
partitions and merge them all together inside 1 partition on the destination
drive, effectively destroying the previously-separated (by using different
partition) data. Not nice. UNLESS the user wanted to consolidate all of
the 3 partitions.


They WON'T be combined.

3. Still another option the user will have with the Casper program is
creating a partition on the destination HDD only sufficient in size to
contain the *actual* data contents of a source drive's partition.


The actual data of all 3 partitions in the source? But why would someone
want to do that anyways, unless they were trying to merge the 3 partitions
into one, which sounds quite atypical.


They WON'T BE COMBINED.

Again, no problem. A new partition
of 150 GB will be created on the destination HDD to contain those cloned
contents. Naturally the previously created 120 GB partition will simply
disappear.


Again, I don't know why anyone would want to do that. Put them all into one
partition on the backup.


SIGH


If they then wanted to restore that back to the source drive, by recloning
it all back to the source drive, how would Casper be able to know (or even
could it) what to put back in EACH of the 3 separate source drive
partitions?


Because they WERE NOT COMBINED DURING THE CLONING.

Wow.

You're impossible.

The 3 partitions are proportionally reduced in size to fit the
partition they're being cloned to. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

Anyone wanting the particulars of this person's problem
can call my hotline (Google it) and for a fee I can give
you all the details.

Miss Cleo
--
Psychic Extraordinaire
  #59  
Old January 22nd 09, 07:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Posts: 3,106
Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Richie Hardwick wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:56:29 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Now the user has a 250 GB USBEHD which he or she intends to be the
recipient of one or more clones (or partitions) of the user's source
HDD.


And strictly (or at least normally) speaking, that means each of the
three
partitions must be preserved on the backup too, and not combined into one
partition there.


They won't be combined.


And end up with 3 partitions on the destination drive. So when you say
this, it sounds like youre saying it's combining 3 into 1, but it's not.
So you are saying in this example it will copy the contents of the 3
source
partitions and merge them all together inside 1 partition on the
destination
drive, effectively destroying the previously-separated (by using
different
partition) data. Not nice. UNLESS the user wanted to consolidate all
of
the 3 partitions.


They WON'T be combined.

3. Still another option the user will have with the Casper program is
creating a partition on the destination HDD only sufficient in size to
contain the *actual* data contents of a source drive's partition.


The actual data of all 3 partitions in the source? But why would
someone
want to do that anyways, unless they were trying to merge the 3
partitions
into one, which sounds quite atypical.


They WON'T BE COMBINED.

Again, no problem. A new partition
of 150 GB will be created on the destination HDD to contain those cloned
contents. Naturally the previously created 120 GB partition will simply
disappear.


Again, I don't know why anyone would want to do that. Put them all into
one
partition on the backup.


SIGH


If they then wanted to restore that back to the source drive, by
recloning
it all back to the source drive, how would Casper be able to know (or
even
could it) what to put back in EACH of the 3 separate source drive
partitions?


Because they WERE NOT COMBINED DURING THE CLONING.

Wow.

You're impossible.

The 3 partitions are proportionally reduced in size to fit the
partition they're being cloned to. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

Anyone wanting the particulars of this person's problem
can call my hotline (Google it) and for a fee I can give
you all the details.

Miss Cleo
--
Psychic Extraordinaire


LOL. I thought you said you were retired? Clearly you are NOT of the
FDR generation, as your behavior is more like that of a newage boomer.


  #60  
Old January 22nd 09, 08:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Posts: 3,106
Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

OK, I think this is the point of confusion. If one uses Casper to clone a
source drive with say 3 partitions over to a destination drive, it is a bit
inaccurate to say "you can clone those three INTO an existing partition on
the destination drive".

Because what is really happening must be this: when Casper (or any such
program) starts cloning TO the currently existing partition on the
destination drive, that existing partition is destroyed (marked as
unallocated, behind the scenes), in preparation for the cloning of the 3
partitions.


 




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