Enhanced Delete in TCC/LE delete after reboot, exclusion range

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DEL / ERASE command - Erase files or directories

Extended Delete Command, part of TCC/LE, from JPSoft,
a free cmd substitute.

Actually I posted because I was impressed by /B, delete after reboot.
And /I, match descriptions!
And file exclusion ranges.

Purpose: Erase one file, a group of files, or entire
subdirectories

Format: DEL [ranges] [/A:[[-|+]rhsadecijopt /E /F /I"text" /K /L
/N[defjnst] /O:[-]adegnrstu /P /Q /R /S[[+]n] /T /W[n] /X /Y /Z] [@file]
file...

file The file, subdirectory, or list of files or
subdirectories to erase.
@file A text file containing the names of the files to delete,
one per line (see @file lists for details).

/A: (Attribute select)
/P(rompt)
/B (Delete after reboot)
/Q(uiet)
/E (No error messages)
/R(ecycle bin)
/F(orce delete)
/S(ubdirectories)
/I (match descriptions)
/T(otal)
/K (no Recycle Bin)
/W(ipe)
/L (delete symlinks)
/X (remove empty subdirectories)
/N (Disable)
/Y(es to all prompts)
/O:... (Order)
/Z(ap hidden and read-only files)


File Selection

Supports command dialog, attribute switches, extended wildcards, ranges,
multiple file names, and include lists. Use wildcards with caution on
LFN volumes; see LFN File Searches for details.

Can be used with FTP/HTTP Servers.

Usage
DEL and ERASE are synonyms. You can use either one. In the description
below, every reference to DEL applies equally to ERASE. If you don't
specify any arguments, DEL will display its command dialog.

Use the DEL command with caution. The files and subdirectories that you
erase may be impossible to recover without specialized utilities and a
lot of work.

To erase a single file, simply enter the file name:

del letters.txt

You can also erase multiple files in a single command. For example, to
erase all the files in the current directory with a .BAK or .PRN
extension:

del *.bak *.prn

When you use DEL on an LFN drive, you must quote any file names which
contain white space or special characters.

To exclude files from a DEL command, use a file exclusion range. For
example, to delete all files in the current directory except those whose
extension is .TXT, use a command like this:

del /[!*.TXT] *

When using exclusion ranges or other more complex options you may want
to use the /N switch first, to preview the effects of the DEL without
actually deleting any files.

***
If you enter a subdirectory name, or a filename composed only of
wildcards (* and/or ?), DEL asks for confirmation (Y or N) unless you
specified the /Y option. If you respond with a Y, DEL will delete all
the files in that subdirectory (hidden, system, and read-only files are
only deleted if you use the /Z option). NOTE: The Windows command
processor, CMD, behaves the same way but does not ask for confirmation
if you use /Q to delete files quietly. If you want TCC to follow CMD's
approach and skip the confirmation prompt when /Q is used, set the
Prompt on Wildcard Deletes configuration option. Use caution if you
disable this option, as this will allow DEL /Q to delete an entire
directory without prompting for confirmation.

DEL displays the amount of disk space recovered, unless the /Q option is
used (see below). It does so by comparing the amount of free disk space
before and after the DEL command is executed. This amount may be
incorrect if you are using a deletion tracking system which stores
deleted files in a hidden directory, or if another program performs a
file operation while the DEL command is executing.

Remember that DEL removes file descriptions along with files. Most
deletion tracking systems will not be able to save or recover a file's
description, even if they can save or recover the data in a file. This
applies to the use of DEL with the Windows Recycle Bin, too - the
description will be lost.

When a file is deleted without using the Recycle Bin, its disk space is
returned to the operating system for use by other files. However, the
contents of the file remain on the disk until they are overwritten by
another file. If you wish to obliterate a file or wipe its contents
clean, use the /W option, which overwrites the file before deleting it.
Use this option with caution! Once a file is obliterated, it is
impossible to recover. Remember: /W overrides using the Recycle Bin.

DEL returns a non-zero exit code if no files are deleted, or if another
error occurs. You can test this exit code with the %_? internal
variable, and use it with conditional commands (&& and ||).

Use caution when using wildcards with DEL on LFN drives, because TCC's
wildcard matching can match both short and long filenames. This can
delete files you did not expect; see LFN File Searches for additional
details.

DEL sets three internal variables:
%_del_dirs The number of directories deleted
%_del_files The number of files deleted
%_del_errors The number of errors

• Recycle Bin
When you delete files with DEL, TCC does not move the deleted files to
the Windows Recycle Bin by default. You can change this default with the
Delete to Recycle Bin configuration option. If you have disabled the
recycle bin, you can override the setting and place deleted files in the
recycle bin with the /R option:

del /r letters.txt

If you have enabled Recycle Bin support, but want to override the
default setting on a one-time basis, and delete some files without
placing them in the recycle bin, use the /K option:

del /k letters.txt

You can also exclude files from the Recycle bin, even if Delete to
Recycle Bin is enabled, or if the command use the /R option, with the
RecycleExclude environment variable.

• FTP Usage
If you have appropriate permissions, you can delete files on FTP
servers. For example:
del ftp://ftp.abc.com/index
You can also use the IFTP command to start an FTP session on a server
and then use one of the following syntax examples:

del ftpath/*.txt

del ftp:/path/*.txt

The first syntax will normally be interpreted by the server as relative
to the path you specified when you used the IFTP command to start the
FTP session. The second syntax, with a slash before the path name, is
interpreted as starting from the root.

• NTFS File Streams

DEL supports file streams on NTFS drives. You can delete an individual
stream by specifying the stream name, for example:

del streamfile:s1

If no stream name is specified the entire file is deleted, including all
streams.

See NTFS File Streams for additional details.

Options
/= Display the DEL command dialog to help you set the filename and
command line options. You cannot specify any other arguments on the
command line.

/A: Delete only those files that have the specified attribute(s)
set. See Attribute Switches for information on the attributes which can
follow /A:. Do not use /A: with @file lists. See @file lists for
details.

You can specify /A:= to display a dialog to help you set individual
attributes.

/B If DEL can't delete the file (for example, if access is denied)
it will schedule it to be deleted at the next reboot.

/E Suppress all non-fatal error messages, such as "File Not Found."
Fatal error messages, such as "Drive not ready," will still be
displayed. This option is most useful in batch files and aliases.

/F This option has the same effect as /Z (see below): it deletes
read-only, hidden, and system files as well as normal files.. It is
included for compatibility with CMD.

/I"text" Select filenames by matching text in their descriptions.
The text can include wildcards and extended wildcards. The search text
must be enclosed in double quotes, and must follow the /I immediately,
with no intervening spaces. You can select all filenames that have a
description with /I"[?]*", or all filenames that do not have a
description with /I"[]".

/K Physically delete files instead of sending them to the Windows
Recycle Bin.

/L Delete symlinks instead of their contents.

/N Do everything except actually delete the file(s). This is useful
for testing the result of a DEL.

A /N with one or more of the following arguments has an alternate
meaning:

d Skip hidden directories (when used with /S)
e Don't display errors
f Don't display the bytes freed in the summary
j Skip junctions (when used with /S)
n Don't update the file descriptions
s Don't display the summary
t Don't update the CD / CDD extended directory search database
(JPSTREE.IDX)

/O:... Sort the files before processing.

You may use any combination of the sorting options below. If multiple
options are used, the listing will be sorted with the first sort option
as the primary key, the next as the secondary key, and so on:

n Sort by filename and extension, unless e is explicitly included.
This is the default.
- Reverse the sort order for the next sort key
a Sort names and extensions in standard ASCII order, instead of
numerically when numeric substrings are included in the name or
extension.
d Sort by date and time (oldest first); also see /T:acw
e Sort by extension
g Group subdirectories first, then files
r Reverse the sort order for all options
s Sort by size
t Same as d
u Unsorted

/P Prompt the user to confirm each erasure. Your options at the
prompt are explained in detail under Page and File Prompts.

/Q Don't display filenames as they are deleted, or the number of
files deleted or bytes freed. If Prompt on Wildcard Deletes is disabled
then /Q also disables the normal confirmation prompt when performing
wildcard deletions (e.g. DEL *), for compatibility with CMD. Use caution
if you disable Prompt on Wildcard Deletes, as this will allow DEL /Q to
delete an entire directory without prompting for confirmation. See also
/T.

/R Delete files to the Windows Recycle Bin.

/S Delete the specified files in this directory and all of its
subdirectories. This is like a GLOBAL DEL, and can be used to delete all
the files in a subdirectory tree or even a whole disk. Do not use /S
with @file lists. See @file lists for details.

If you specify a number after the /S, DEL will limit the subdirectory
recursion to that number. For example, if you have a directory tree
"\a\b\c\d\e", /S2 will only affect the "a", "b", and "c" directories.

If you specify a + followed by a number after the /S, DEL will not
delete any files until it gets to that depth in the subdirectory tree.
For example, if you have a directory tree \a\b\c\d\e, /S+2 will not
delete anything in \a or \a\b.

/T Don't display filenames as they are deleted, but display the
total number of files deleted plus the amount of free disk space
recovered.

/W[n] Overwrite the file contents using the DoD 5220.22-M (E) standard
for secure deletion. (This overwrites every byte in the file with
different values). You can optionally specify the number of passes
(1-999); the default is 3. See also DelWipePasses. Use this option to
completely obliterate a file's contents from your disk. Once you have
used this option it is impossible to recover the file even if you are
using an undelete utility, because the contents of the file are
destroyed before it is deleted. /W will override a /R.

/X Removes empty subdirectories (only useful when used with /S). If
DEL deletes one or more directories, they will be removed automatically
from the extended directory search database. DEL will display the
directories being removed (with a trailing \).

/Y The reverse of /P . It assumes a Y response to everything,
including deleting an entire subdirectory tree. TCC normally prompts
before deleting files when the name consists only of wildcards or a
subdirectory name (see above); /Y overrides this protection and should
be used with extreme caution!

/Z Delete read-only, hidden, and system files as well as normal
files. Files with the read-only, hidden, or system attribute set are
normally protected from deletion; /Z overrides this protection, and
should be used with caution. Because EXCEPT works by hiding files, /Z
will override an EXCEPT command. However, files specified in a file
exclusion range will not be deleted by DEL /Z.

For example, to delete the entire subdirectory tree starting with
C:\UTIL, including hidden and read- only files, without prompting (use
this command with CAUTION!):

del /s /x /y /z c:\util\

micky,

You (also) posted this in alt.msdos. DOS doesn't not offer a recycle bin,
nor does it have any delete-after-reboot options, and most likely it does
not have symlinks either. :-)

And another thing: You've got both an a /R(ecycle bin) as well as a /K (no
Recycle Bin) option. As I assume your program uses one as a default (I
don't think there are other options than those two), doesn't that make the
related choice superfluous ?

Besides, I get the feeling DOS would not be able to run the program itself
.....

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


-- Origional message:
micky schreef in berichtnieuws
...
https://jpsoft.com/help/index.htm?overview.htm

DEL / ERASE command - Erase files or directories

Extended Delete Command, part of TCC/LE, from JPSoft,
a free cmd substitute.

Actually I posted because I was impressed by /B, delete after reboot.
And /I, match descriptions!
And file exclusion ranges.

Purpose: Erase one file, a group of files, or entire
subdirectories

Format: DEL [ranges] [/A:[[-|+]rhsadecijopt /E /F /I"text" /K /L
/N[defjnst] /O:[-]adegnrstu /P /Q /R /S[[+]n] /T /W[n] /X /Y /Z] [@file]
file...

file The file, subdirectory, or list of files or
subdirectories to erase.
@file A text file containing the names of the files to delete,
one per line (see @file lists for details).

/A: (Attribute select)
/P(rompt)
/B (Delete after reboot)
/Q(uiet)
/E (No error messages)
/R(ecycle bin)
/F(orce delete)
/S(ubdirectories)
/I (match descriptions)
/T(otal)
/K (no Recycle Bin)
/W(ipe)
/L (delete symlinks)
/X (remove empty subdirectories)
/N (Disable)
/Y(es to all prompts)
/O:... (Order)
/Z(ap hidden and read-only files)


File Selection

Supports command dialog, attribute switches, extended wildcards, ranges,
multiple file names, and include lists. Use wildcards with caution on
LFN volumes; see LFN File Searches for details.

Can be used with FTP/HTTP Servers.

Usage
DEL and ERASE are synonyms. You can use either one. In the description
below, every reference to DEL applies equally to ERASE. If you don't
specify any arguments, DEL will display its command dialog.

Use the DEL command with caution. The files and subdirectories that you
erase may be impossible to recover without specialized utilities and a
lot of work.

To erase a single file, simply enter the file name:

del letters.txt

You can also erase multiple files in a single command. For example, to
erase all the files in the current directory with a .BAK or .PRN
extension:

del *.bak *.prn

When you use DEL on an LFN drive, you must quote any file names which
contain white space or special characters.

To exclude files from a DEL command, use a file exclusion range. For
example, to delete all files in the current directory except those whose
extension is .TXT, use a command like this:

del /[!*.TXT] *

When using exclusion ranges or other more complex options you may want
to use the /N switch first, to preview the effects of the DEL without
actually deleting any files.

***
If you enter a subdirectory name, or a filename composed only of
wildcards (* and/or ?), DEL asks for confirmation (Y or N) unless you
specified the /Y option. If you respond with a Y, DEL will delete all
the files in that subdirectory (hidden, system, and read-only files are
only deleted if you use the /Z option). NOTE: The Windows command
processor, CMD, behaves the same way but does not ask for confirmation
if you use /Q to delete files quietly. If you want TCC to follow CMD's
approach and skip the confirmation prompt when /Q is used, set the
Prompt on Wildcard Deletes configuration option. Use caution if you
disable this option, as this will allow DEL /Q to delete an entire
directory without prompting for confirmation.

DEL displays the amount of disk space recovered, unless the /Q option is
used (see below). It does so by comparing the amount of free disk space
before and after the DEL command is executed. This amount may be
incorrect if you are using a deletion tracking system which stores
deleted files in a hidden directory, or if another program performs a
file operation while the DEL command is executing.

Remember that DEL removes file descriptions along with files. Most
deletion tracking systems will not be able to save or recover a file's
description, even if they can save or recover the data in a file. This
applies to the use of DEL with the Windows Recycle Bin, too - the
description will be lost.

When a file is deleted without using the Recycle Bin, its disk space is
returned to the operating system for use by other files. However, the
contents of the file remain on the disk until they are overwritten by
another file. If you wish to obliterate a file or wipe its contents
clean, use the /W option, which overwrites the file before deleting it.
Use this option with caution! Once a file is obliterated, it is
impossible to recover. Remember: /W overrides using the Recycle Bin.

DEL returns a non-zero exit code if no files are deleted, or if another
error occurs. You can test this exit code with the %_? internal
variable, and use it with conditional commands (&& and ||).

Use caution when using wildcards with DEL on LFN drives, because TCC's
wildcard matching can match both short and long filenames. This can
delete files you did not expect; see LFN File Searches for additional
details.

DEL sets three internal variables:
%_del_dirs The number of directories deleted
%_del_files The number of files deleted
%_del_errors The number of errors

. Recycle Bin
When you delete files with DEL, TCC does not move the deleted files to
the Windows Recycle Bin by default. You can change this default with the
Delete to Recycle Bin configuration option. If you have disabled the
recycle bin, you can override the setting and place deleted files in the
recycle bin with the /R option:

del /r letters.txt

If you have enabled Recycle Bin support, but want to override the
default setting on a one-time basis, and delete some files without
placing them in the recycle bin, use the /K option:

del /k letters.txt

You can also exclude files from the Recycle bin, even if Delete to
Recycle Bin is enabled, or if the command use the /R option, with the
RecycleExclude environment variable.

. FTP Usage
If you have appropriate permissions, you can delete files on FTP
servers. For example:
del ftp://ftp.abc.com/index
You can also use the IFTP command to start an FTP session on a server
and then use one of the following syntax examples:

del ftpath/*.txt

del ftp:/path/*.txt

The first syntax will normally be interpreted by the server as relative
to the path you specified when you used the IFTP command to start the
FTP session. The second syntax, with a slash before the path name, is
interpreted as starting from the root.

. NTFS File Streams

DEL supports file streams on NTFS drives. You can delete an individual
stream by specifying the stream name, for example:

del streamfile:s1

If no stream name is specified the entire file is deleted, including all
streams.

See NTFS File Streams for additional details.

Options
/= Display the DEL command dialog to help you set the filename and
command line options. You cannot specify any other arguments on the
command line.

/A: Delete only those files that have the specified attribute(s)
set. See Attribute Switches for information on the attributes which can
follow /A:. Do not use /A: with @file lists. See @file lists for
details.

You can specify /A:= to display a dialog to help you set individual
attributes.

/B If DEL can't delete the file (for example, if access is denied)
it will schedule it to be deleted at the next reboot.

/E Suppress all non-fatal error messages, such as "File Not Found."
Fatal error messages, such as "Drive not ready," will still be
displayed. This option is most useful in batch files and aliases.

/F This option has the same effect as /Z (see below): it deletes
read-only, hidden, and system files as well as normal files.. It is
included for compatibility with CMD.

/I"text" Select filenames by matching text in their descriptions.
The text can include wildcards and extended wildcards. The search text
must be enclosed in double quotes, and must follow the /I immediately,
with no intervening spaces. You can select all filenames that have a
description with /I"[?]*", or all filenames that do not have a
description with /I"[]".

/K Physically delete files instead of sending them to the Windows
Recycle Bin.

/L Delete symlinks instead of their contents.

/N Do everything except actually delete the file(s). This is useful
for testing the result of a DEL.

A /N with one or more of the following arguments has an alternate
meaning:

d Skip hidden directories (when used with /S)
e Don't display errors
f Don't display the bytes freed in the summary
j Skip junctions (when used with /S)
n Don't update the file descriptions
s Don't display the summary
t Don't update the CD / CDD extended directory search database
(JPSTREE.IDX)

/O:... Sort the files before processing.

You may use any combination of the sorting options below. If multiple
options are used, the listing will be sorted with the first sort option
as the primary key, the next as the secondary key, and so on:

n Sort by filename and extension, unless e is explicitly included.
This is the default.
- Reverse the sort order for the next sort key
a Sort names and extensions in standard ASCII order, instead of
numerically when numeric substrings are included in the name or
extension.
d Sort by date and time (oldest first); also see /T:acw
e Sort by extension
g Group subdirectories first, then files
r Reverse the sort order for all options
s Sort by size
t Same as d
u Unsorted

/P Prompt the user to confirm each erasure. Your options at the
prompt are explained in detail under Page and File Prompts.

/Q Don't display filenames as they are deleted, or the number of
files deleted or bytes freed. If Prompt on Wildcard Deletes is disabled
then /Q also disables the normal confirmation prompt when performing
wildcard deletions (e.g. DEL *), for compatibility with CMD. Use caution
if you disable Prompt on Wildcard Deletes, as this will allow DEL /Q to
delete an entire directory without prompting for confirmation. See also
/T.

/R Delete files to the Windows Recycle Bin.

/S Delete the specified files in this directory and all of its
subdirectories. This is like a GLOBAL DEL, and can be used to delete all
the files in a subdirectory tree or even a whole disk. Do not use /S
with @file lists. See @file lists for details.

If you specify a number after the /S, DEL will limit the subdirectory
recursion to that number. For example, if you have a directory tree
"\a\b\c\d\e", /S2 will only affect the "a", "b", and "c" directories.

If you specify a + followed by a number after the /S, DEL will not
delete any files until it gets to that depth in the subdirectory tree.
For example, if you have a directory tree \a\b\c\d\e, /S+2 will not
delete anything in \a or \a\b.

/T Don't display filenames as they are deleted, but display the
total number of files deleted plus the amount of free disk space
recovered.

/W[n] Overwrite the file contents using the DoD 5220.22-M (E) standard
for secure deletion. (This overwrites every byte in the file with
different values). You can optionally specify the number of passes
(1-999); the default is 3. See also DelWipePasses. Use this option to
completely obliterate a file's contents from your disk. Once you have
used this option it is impossible to recover the file even if you are
using an undelete utility, because the contents of the file are
destroyed before it is deleted. /W will override a /R.

/X Removes empty subdirectories (only useful when used with /S). If
DEL deletes one or more directories, they will be removed automatically
from the extended directory search database. DEL will display the
directories being removed (with a trailing \).

/Y The reverse of /P . It assumes a Y response to everything,
including deleting an entire subdirectory tree. TCC normally prompts
before deleting files when the name consists only of wildcards or a
subdirectory name (see above); /Y overrides this protection and should
be used with extreme caution!

/Z Delete read-only, hidden, and system files as well as normal
files. Files with the read-only, hidden, or system attribute set are
normally protected from deletion; /Z overrides this protection, and
should be used with caution. Because EXCEPT works by hiding files, /Z
will override an EXCEPT command. However, files specified in a file
exclusion range will not be deleted by DEL /Z.

For example, to delete the entire subdirectory tree starting with
C:\UTIL, including hidden and read- only files, without prompting (use
this command with CAUTION!):

del /s /x /y /z c:\util\

On 8/10/2015 11:55 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
micky,

You (also) posted this in alt.msdos. DOS doesn't not offer a recycle bin,
nor does it have any delete-after-reboot options, and most likely it does
not have symlinks either. :-)

It does not. Under DOS, file links were a problem CHKDSK would attempt
to fix for you.

Windows doesn't have symlinks out of the box either. (Shortcuts are
pale substitutes.) NTFS5 supports both hard links and symlinks, but the
functionality is not exposed out of the box. You need an advanced
utility package from MS or a third party product. I use William
Schinagl's freeware Link Shell Extension.

Besides, I get the feeling DOS would not be able to run the program itself

Correct. TCC has roots in a program that *does* run under DOS. TCC
author Rex Conn wrote the popular shareware 4DOS COMMAND.COM
replacement. 4DOS added command line recall and editing, command
history, command aliases, a full screen file lister, a vastly enhanced
batch language, and an assortment of other things. (One version got
licensed for inclusion in a version of the Norton Utilities as NDOS.)

As DOS went away, Rex produced 4NT for WinNT, and that became Take
Command (TCC). Full Take Command is a GUI application. TCC-LE runs in
a console window. Rex made the 16bit DOS version of 4DOS open source,
and an updated version for other hands is available.

Old 4DOS users like me who work at a command line in Windows grabbed
TCC-LE with both hands.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser
______
Dennis

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:55:37
+0200, "R.Wieser" wrote:

micky,

You (also) posted this in alt.msdos. DOS doesn't not offer a recycle bin,
nor does it have any delete-after-reboot options, and most likely it does
not have symlinks either. :-)

Probably not. Users of native dos will not be able to take advantage
of options that don't make sense in native dos. But like other dos
commands, TCC/LE and its commands have many extra features they *can*
take advantage of.

Still, I would expect that the majority of users of command language
are, and maybe also the majority of time spent using it are by, users of
Windows running cmd in a DOS box (with or without the box). Instead of
running CMD, they can run TCC/LE and have several times the options they
have now. Using the delete command and other commands too, plus 15
times as many internal variables, DO loops, and IF/THEN/ELSE logic, in
..bat files.

And another thing: You've got both an a /R(ecycle bin) as well as a /K (no
Recycle Bin) option. As I assume your program uses one as a default (I
don't think there are other options than those two), doesn't that make the
related choice superfluous ?

No. /K is there to override a default of Use Recycle Bin, and /R is
there to override a default of Don't Use Recycle Bin, and both are there
to make a command that will work the same no matter what the prior
setting or default is.

Besides, I get the feeling DOS would not be able to run the program itself

I don't know what program you mean. One doesn't run TCC/LE under DOS,
but in place of DOS.

I set my computer up to run whichever I choose. When I'm suspicious
that TCC isn't doing what CMD would do, I can try the same thing in CMD,
though I don't recall that ever really helping.

TCC/LE works for winXP, 7,8,8.1, and I believe I saw that it works for
10 too. If it weren't free, I would pay for it.

The related program(s) like Take Command, that JPSoft sells I'm sure
are worth the money for those they say "Developers, Ops, Support, Power
Users ".

....

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

micky schreef in berichtnieuws
https://jpsoft.com/help/index.htm?overview.htm

DEL / ERASE command - Erase files or directories

Extended Delete Command, part of TCC/LE, from JPSoft,
a free cmd substitute.

On 8/10/2015 8:55 PM, micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:55:37
+0200, "R.Wieser" wrote:

micky,

You (also) posted this in alt.msdos. DOS doesn't not offer a recycle bin,
nor does it have any delete-after-reboot options, and most likely it does
not have symlinks either. :-)

Probably not. Users of native dos will not be able to take advantage
of options that don't make sense in native dos. But like other dos
commands, TCC/LE and its commands have many extra features they *can*
take advantage of.

Certainly not. And users of native DOS won't be able to run TCC-LE in
any case. It's a Windows program.

If what you run is native DOS, use TCC-LE's predecessor, 4DOS.

Still, I would expect that the majority of users of command language
are, and maybe also the majority of time spent using it are by, users of
Windows running cmd in a DOS box (with or without the box). Instead of
running CMD, they can run TCC/LE and have several times the options they
have now. Using the delete command and other commands too, plus 15
times as many internal variables, DO loops, and IF/THEN/ELSE logic, in
.bat files.

Properly speaking, it's not a DOS box, it's a console window.

If you run Win2K or XP, you *can* run DOS apps. Those flavors implement
the NTVDM subsystem, which provides a version of COMMAND.COM and a DOS
environment configured by \Windows\system32\autoexec.nt and config.nt.
(Note that if you run a DOS app that way and shell out of it, the
subshell is a 32 bit Windows environment and you are talking to CMD.EXE,
not COMMAND.COM.)

Win Vista/7/8/10 removed the ability to run 16 bit applications. You
must either run a VM or run something like the open source DOSBox
program, intended to let people play old DOS games. (I use a fork of
DOSBox called vDOS, which runs under XP/Vista/7/8/10 and is intended for
character mode DOS programs. Gaming support has been removed.)

I don't know what program you mean. One doesn't run TCC/LE under DOS,
but in place of DOS.

No, one runs TCC-LE to get more features in a console window than are
provided by CMD.EXE. DOS is irrelevant. CMD provided some enhancements
to ordinary DOS batch. TCC-LE provides more.

An alternative is C-link, which uses a Win32 port of the Gnu readline
library to provide bash style command history and editing and aliases in
CMD.

I set my computer up to run whichever I choose. When I'm suspicious
that TCC isn't doing what CMD would do, I can try the same thing in CMD,
though I don't recall that ever really helping.

IIRC, there is a compatibility mode to force strict compliance with what
CMD would do. I've never needed to use it. (Rex commented back in the
4DOS days about the requirement to reproduce COMMAND.COM *bugs* as well
as features, as some people relied on things that were arguably bugs and
4DOS had to reproduce the behavior. When a 4DOS user would ask for
something COMMAND.COM did that wasn't in 4DOS, Rex would ask "Do you
want it to work as it's *documented* to work , or how it actually behaves?"

TCC/LE works for winXP, 7,8,8.1, and I believe I saw that it works for
10 too.

It does.

If it weren't free, I would pay for it.

You *can* pay for Take Command...

The related program(s) like Take Command, that JPSoft sells I'm sure
are worth the money for those they say "Developers, Ops, Support, Power
Users ".

Think of Take Command as a GUI version of TCC-LE. It does have more
features, including a tabbed interface. There's a comparison on
JPSoft's website.
______
Dennis

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:02:29 -0400, micky wrote:
DEL / ERASE command - Erase files or directories

Extended Delete Command, part of TCC/LE, from JPSoft,
a free cmd substitute.

Actually I posted because I was impressed by /B, delete after reboot.

This is like SysInternals' movefile. It's not actually delete after reboot,
but delete on system start. It's realy part of Windows built in features,
not TC/TCC/4NT specific.

And /I, match descriptions!
And file exclusion ranges.

Some of the things why I use 4DOS and 4NT.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:55:59
+0700, JJ wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 08:02:29 -0400, micky wrote:
DEL / ERASE command - Erase files or directories

Extended Delete Command, part of TCC/LE, from JPSoft,
a free cmd substitute.

Actually I posted because I was impressed by /B, delete after reboot.

This is like SysInternals' movefile. It's not actually delete after reboot,
but delete on system start.

Maybe they couldn't say that because they've already used /S for
subdirectories!

It's realy part of Windows built in features,
not TC/TCC/4NT specific.

Yeah, I knew that, but it's the first program I've found that takes
advantage of hte windows capability. I have dowloaded and maybe
installed sysinternals, but I don't know much of what it does.

And /I, match descriptions!
And file exclusion ranges.

Some of the things why I use 4DOS and 4NT.

I used to use NDOS and 4DOS.

On 8/11/2015 9:25 AM, micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:55:59
+0700, JJ wrote:

It's realy part of Windows built in features,
not TC/TCC/4NT specific.

Yeah, I knew that, but it's the first program I've found that takes
advantage of hte windows capability. I have dowloaded and maybe
installed sysinternals, but I don't know much of what it does.

Sysinternals includes lots of things. Developer Mark Russinovich is a
noted expert and writer on Windows programming. I got the impression he
know more about NT internals than MS. MS decided he knew something,
bought his company, and put he and his partner Bryce Cogswell to work in
their Core Architecture division.

The pick of the Sysinternals litter is likely Process Explorer, which is
Task Manager on steroids, and can be set to replace it.
______
Dennis

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015, DMcCunney wrote (excerpt):

Win Vista/7/8/10 removed the ability to run 16 bit applications. You must
either run a VM or run something like the open source DOSBox program,
intended to let people play old DOS games. (I use a fork of DOSBox called
vDOS, which runs under XP/Vista/7/8/10 and is intended for character mode DOS
programs. Gaming support has been removed.)

Not entirely correct. I use Windows 7 Pro SP1 32-bit, and I have no
problem whatever running some 16-bit character-mode programs in a CMD
window. I personally wrote those programs and compiled them with
QuickBasic 4.5 under MS-DOS version 5! They run perfectly well under
Win/32 7. To the best of my information, it is 64-bit Windows that
will not run 16-bit programs.

--
Paul Bartlett

On 11 Aug 2015, micky wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I used to use NDOS and 4DOS.

I've still got my 4DOS install floppy and spiral-bound manual - I ran
across them in a box of old software a couple of weeks ago. I bet it's
worth big bucks now, being "vintage" and all... Antiques Roadshow, here
I come!

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:40:22 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 11 Aug 2015, micky wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I used to use NDOS and 4DOS.

I've still got my 4DOS install floppy and spiral-bound manual - I ran
across them in a box of old software a couple of weeks ago. I bet it's
worth big bucks now, being "vintage" and all... Antiques Roadshow, here
I come!


I no longer have mine, but I also used to use it. I once wrote a batch
file of about 4,000 lines with it.

But it must be about 25 years since I last used it.

On 8/11/2015 1:58 PM, Paul Bartlett wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015, DMcCunney wrote (excerpt):

Win Vista/7/8/10 removed the ability to run 16 bit applications. You
must either run a VM or run something like the open source DOSBox
program, intended to let people play old DOS games. (I use a fork of
DOSBox called vDOS, which runs under XP/Vista/7/8/10 and is intended
for character mode DOS programs. Gaming support has been removed.)

Not entirely correct. I use Windows 7 Pro SP1 32-bit, and I have no
problem whatever running some 16-bit character-mode programs in a CMD
window. I personally wrote those programs and compiled them with
QuickBasic 4.5 under MS-DOS version 5! They run perfectly well under
Win/32 7. To the best of my information, it is 64-bit Windows that
will not run 16-bit programs.

Correct, and I should have been more specific. 32 bit Windows still
runs 16 bit applications. 64 bit Windows removed 16 bit support, and
you must run a VM of some sort to provide it.

But it's increasingly hard to *get* a 32 bit machine. Newer machines
are 64 bit. If you are still running legacy HW, you can still get 32
bit Windows (including Win10), but I suspect that's a shrinking part of
the market.
______
Dennis

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:40:22
-0400, Nil wrote:

On 11 Aug 2015, micky wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I used to use NDOS and 4DOS.

I've still got my 4DOS install floppy and spiral-bound manual - I ran
across them in a box of old software a couple of weeks ago. I bet it's
worth big bucks now, being "vintage" and all... Antiques Roadshow, here
I come!

I've got about 30 volumes of ... I forget the name but they printed
schematics and notes about radios, before Howard Sams did. So I have
30 volumes, with heavy black cover with gold lightning bolts on it, and
I was finally going to donate them, and I found out that they're all on
CD now for about 20 dollars for the whole set.

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:45:25
-0700, "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:40:22 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 11 Aug 2015, micky wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I used to use NDOS and 4DOS.

I've still got my 4DOS install floppy and spiral-bound manual - I ran
across them in a box of old software a couple of weeks ago. I bet it's
worth big bucks now, being "vintage" and all... Antiques Roadshow, here
I come!


I no longer have mine, but I also used to use it. I once wrote a batch
file of about 4,000 lines with it.

But it must be about 25 years since I last used it.

If you didn't adquately provide for termination, it might still be
running somewhere.

On 11/08/2015 19:40, Nil wrote:
On 11 Aug 2015, micky wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

I used to use NDOS and 4DOS.

I've still got my 4DOS install floppy and spiral-bound manual - I ran
across them in a box of old software a couple of weeks ago. I bet it's
worth big bucks now, being "vintage" and all... Antiques Roadshow, here
I come!

IF and that's a big IF those floppies still work!
--
choro
*****
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of yesteryear's policies.-- Quoted from choro's sayings.