O.T. - Connection Problem:

The 8500 came up normally without a red X or yellow triangle

There's only one way that I know of to visit the
VA site. You have to register first to gain access
and you need your DD214 for that and as far as Foresee,
I've never done a survey for them either.

I did mention that the scans had found nothing.

I would really not rather reinstall the OS,.. wouldn't
I loose all my bookmarks etc? or can I extract them
to a key? Yes, the problem is erratic and intermittent
but undeniably there.

I agree; like a friend once said about car problems,.
do the simplest, easiest first.


This is for the yellow triangle:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...99df8fe?auth=1

and the red X again:

http://superuser.com/questions/66197...t-im-connected

So back to the slow speed since that was the initial
question of the post. Do you have any idea what could
be causing that?

If someone is actually doing this won't task manager show it?
I was wondering about that when I saw the (4) users when I
had my Wi-fi connected?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
The 8500 came up normally without a red X or yellow triangle

There's only one way that I know of to visit the
VA site. You have to register first to gain access
and you need your DD214 for that and as far as Foresee,
I've never done a survey for them either.

I did mention that the scans had found nothing.

I would really not rather reinstall the OS,.. wouldn't
I loose all my bookmarks etc? or can I extract them
to a key? Yes, the problem is erratic and intermittent
but undeniably there.

I agree; like a friend once said about car problems,.
do the simplest, easiest first.


This is for the yellow triangle:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...99df8fe?auth=1

and the red X again:

http://superuser.com/questions/66197...t-im-connected

So back to the slow speed since that was the initial
question of the post. Do you have any idea what could
be causing that?

If someone is actually doing this won't task manager show it?
I was wondering about that when I saw the (4) users when I
had my Wi-fi connected?

Robert


If Avast was doing it, I wouldn't expect to see much in the
way of outward signs. In principle, Process Monitor could catch it,
but I don't think there is a "trigger" for catching the updating
of particular registry keys.

You could try the recipe in SuperUser for this portion
of the registry. Removing the Config under that, but as with
any experiment of that sort, you want your backup in hand if
things turn out worse than before.

HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Network
Config

In the old days, you would delete the ENUM key, and have all
the hardware on the computer, re-discovered again. But the
provisions for doing that, aren't as generous as they once
were. At one time, you could "define a new Hardware Profile"
and that created a new ENUM in the registry and all the
hardware would be re-discovered. And that could be done
without Regedit, and just GUI-type controls. But that
option no longer exists.

But like the idea of "reinstalling the network driver", I'm
not sure that makes any changes to the 0x8E key (if it has
come back again). The recipes that are hardware-related,
fix the hardware portion of the stack. Whereas the protocol
portion, I don't know how you force a global resource like
that to be re-built.

Paul

Today I have the red X over the Network connection
icon in the system tray again with Internet access
so I went to take a look at my Network and Sharing
Center.

Realtek PCIe GBE Family ControllerProperties:

http://i64.tinypic.com/30iba07.jpg - general

http://i66.tinypic.com/2n6giet.jpg - advanced

http://i63.tinypic.com/2s6x3d1.jpg - about

http://i68.tinypic.com/maxk5i.jpg - drivers

http://i68.tinypic.com/25utb8n.jpg - details

http://i68.tinypic.com/2up6crl.jpg - power management


I'm not understanding exactly what you mean (below)?
Are you saying to go into msconfig and type the
command?

As for backups, I do have the Mrimgs but should I
make another image backup even though it's corrupted?
I've held off doing them because of the continuing
problem.

You could try the recipe in SuperUser for this portion
of the registry. Removing the Config under that, but as with
any experiment of that sort, you want your backup in hand if
things turn out worse than before.

HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Network
Config

I think I understand what your saying or at least in
part Just exactly what is the 0X8E key and what could
cause it to change? Who or what could do that? Because you
said that didn't happen by accident which implies it was
done on purpose by someone or some program?

Thoughts/suggestions

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Today I have the red X over the Network connection
icon in the system tray again with Internet access
so I went to take a look at my Network and Sharing
Center.

Realtek PCIe GBE Family ControllerProperties:

http://i64.tinypic.com/30iba07.jpg - general

http://i66.tinypic.com/2n6giet.jpg - advanced

http://i63.tinypic.com/2s6x3d1.jpg - about

http://i68.tinypic.com/maxk5i.jpg - drivers

http://i68.tinypic.com/25utb8n.jpg - details

http://i68.tinypic.com/2up6crl.jpg - power management


I'm not understanding exactly what you mean (below)?
Are you saying to go into msconfig and type the
command?

As for backups, I do have the Mrimgs but should I
make another image backup even though it's corrupted?
I've held off doing them because of the continuing
problem.

You could try the recipe in SuperUser for this portion
of the registry. Removing the Config under that, but as with
any experiment of that sort, you want your backup in hand if
things turn out worse than before.

HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Network
Config

I think I understand what your saying or at least in
part Just exactly what is the 0X8E key and what could
cause it to change? Who or what could do that? Because you
said that didn't happen by accident which implies it was
done on purpose by someone or some program?

Thoughts/suggestions

Robert

You already corrected this key once.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\servic es\TCPIP6\Parameters
DisableComponents DWORD 0x8E -- 0

Normally the DisableComponents key does not exist. If
something creates the key, it was created for optional
control purposes. If the user sets it to 0x00 (zero)
then it doesn't do anything. For any other values,
it's being used to change IPV6 policies.

http://www.wintips.org/teredo-tunnel...t-code-10-fix/

I don't know if that's the triangle you're seeing or not.

So the first step is checking whether it's back to 0x8E.
And in the fullness of time, figuring out what is
making that change. It's likely to be third-party
software and not Microsoft. As by default, the OS
ships without that key in place (which is logically
the same as setting it to zero).

*******

In this article (that you provided)

http://superuser.com/questions/66197...t-im-connected

someone suggested removing the Config section of a key.

HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Network
Config --- Delete this

For safety, they Exported the entire Network key first,
for safe keeping. Then deleted a subsection of it
("Config") to force the networking portion to
reconfigure itself.

That has about the same odds of working, as stuff
like this does.

ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew
ipconfig /flushdns
netsh winsock reset all
netsh int ip reset all

Any time you see Administrator commands like that,
think carefully about what they're changing. For
example, your HOSTS file is used by some of your
antispyware software, and the HOSTS file is
probably chock-a-block with network addresses.
If you were to do this

echo 127.0.0.1 localhost HOSTS

that would overwrite the file with effectively
a single null entry. So not everything you read
in a thread like that, should be applied blindly,
without at least checking what is in the file
currently. That is a text file, and you should
be able to drop it onto Notepad. Or, copy the
file somewhere and add .txt to the end, making
the copy HOSTS.txt then open in Notepad. I think
you have some third-party software on-board, which
is using that file.

C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\HOSTS

Paul

The 8500 booted today with no red flag or yellow triangle;
funny how it's going back and forth versus a problem where
I have the yellow triangle on all the time.

Ahh. now I remember (I had the procedure already bookmarked)
,....... but the 0X8E appears to be gone?

http://i66.tinypic.com/k0hxfl.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/ff6znl.jpg

Understood,.. but was just searching if others experienced the
same problems.

Perhaps we could use Agent Ransack to search for anything that
shouldn't be there or perhaps that should?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
The 8500 booted today with no red flag or yellow triangle;
funny how it's going back and forth versus a problem where
I have the yellow triangle on all the time.

Ahh. now I remember (I had the procedure already bookmarked)
,....... but the 0X8E appears to be gone?

http://i66.tinypic.com/k0hxfl.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/ff6znl.jpg

Understood,.. but was just searching if others experienced the
same problems.

Perhaps we could use Agent Ransack to search for anything that
shouldn't be there or perhaps that should?

Robert


Maybe the registry item in question, will return
when things are broken again ?

As for Agent Ransack, not many computer problems
can be solved by a simple search for a culprit.
Culprits are much better hidden than that.

Paul

Back to a normal login today with no issues.

I do get a 'shock-wave' pop-up's every now and
then, usually when I open a Yahoo or MSN
story which freezes the page but that's probably
just bad programming and not connected with the
issue.

Robert

Again a normal login with no issues
aside from still being slow. That
must have something to do with this?

The connection speed,.. what do you
think?

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Again a normal login with no issues
aside from still being slow. That
must have something to do with this?

The connection speed,.. what do you
think?

Robert


Have you checked your Event Viewer recently ?
Any interesting "network related" messages in there
which correlate with the six minute delay ?

*******

For a little light reading, you can see how the
Sysinternals guy deals with his laptop that
takes five minutes to start...

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...y-slow-logons/

Paul

Here's the Event Viewer:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2i096r8.jpg - Event Viewer

http://i66.tinypic.com/qq7gk8.jpg - errors 1of 2

http://i67.tinypic.com/34hw4yc.jpg - errors 2 of 2

http://i63.tinypic.com/funna.jpg - warning 1 of 2

http://i66.tinypic.com/v7h2de.jpg - warning 2 of 2

http://i63.tinypic.com/34xi0jm.jpg - information

http://i66.tinypic.com/11gua9f.jpg - example

http://i68.tinypic.com/2z3topc.jpg - example

I read the link you provided:

when he talks about logging into local account
does he mean LAN? and what if I can't do that
since I don't belong to a LAN network?

I sort of followed him but am I correct that he's
saying Winlogon is to blame (trying to map location
before launching startup?) but I don't have two
drives with mapped to the network like he had.

I don't even use Explorer but checked the settings:


http://i67.tinypic.com/wgyn2o.jpg - Explorer settings


Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Here's the Event Viewer:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2i096r8.jpg - Event Viewer

http://i66.tinypic.com/qq7gk8.jpg - errors 1of 2

http://i67.tinypic.com/34hw4yc.jpg - errors 2 of 2

http://i63.tinypic.com/funna.jpg - warning 1 of 2

http://i66.tinypic.com/v7h2de.jpg - warning 2 of 2

http://i63.tinypic.com/34xi0jm.jpg - information

http://i66.tinypic.com/11gua9f.jpg - example

http://i68.tinypic.com/2z3topc.jpg - example

I read the link you provided:

when he talks about logging into local account
does he mean LAN? and what if I can't do that
since I don't belong to a LAN network?

I sort of followed him but am I correct that he's
saying Winlogon is to blame (trying to map location
before launching startup?) but I don't have two
drives with mapped to the network like he had.

I don't even use Explorer but checked the settings:


http://i67.tinypic.com/wgyn2o.jpg - Explorer settings


Robert

In the Russinovich article, Winlogon was waiting for some shared
disks to become available. And taking five minutes
or more to decide the disks did not exist (because
the laptop was not connected directly to a Microsoft
LAN).

*******

To use the Event Viewer, you have to read the message for
each one, not just the summary. Some of the Service Manager
ones for example, are "Blahblah service started" and
"Blahblah service stopped" and messages of that sort
are kinda useless.

Some logging systems, you can set them to register
"errors" instead of "errors plus warnings", which
reduces the stupid stuff in the log. I'm not proposing
making changes to the Event Viewer. As long as the
number of events is small, you can just start reading
some, and weed out the obviously uninteresting ones.

For example, a message from "RealTek" would be interesting,
or a message about "DHCP", or about "IPV6". THose would
be network related. The message about "VSS" probably
happened while you were making a backup.

Paul

Last night at midnight I logged on and had the
yellow triangle with black exclamation mark
on both computers and no connection and the
internet light on the modem was out.

I tried restarting several times with the same result
so ended up calling Frontier (5) times, because I
lost connection twice and twice their 'tools' systems
was down and 'they' couldn't do anything .

I finally got through and performed all their tests
on the modem and did a line test and it was resolved
that it was my modem and I had a line problem that
needed someone to come out physically and inspect
and repair. So they wrote a trouble ticket for a Friday.

Given past history; I took this with a grain of salt
because I believe they caused the problem since
their own 'tools' was down and sure enough at 4:30
pm my connection was restored (down 4 hrs)

Yet, I wonder if they are behind the connection
problems I've been having?

Robert


As far as Event Viewer, I wouldn't know what is
safe to delete and what isn't.

Robert

correction (16 hrs)

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Last night at midnight I logged on and had the
yellow triangle with black exclamation mark
on both computers and no connection and the
internet light on the modem was out.

I tried restarting several times with the same result
so ended up calling Frontier (5) times, because I
lost connection twice and twice their 'tools' systems
was down and 'they' couldn't do anything .

I finally got through and performed all their tests
on the modem and did a line test and it was resolved
that it was my modem and I had a line problem that
needed someone to come out physically and inspect
and repair. So they wrote a trouble ticket for a Friday.

Given past history; I took this with a grain of salt
because I believe they caused the problem since
their own 'tools' was down and sure enough at 4:30
pm my connection was restored (down 4 hrs)

Yet, I wonder if they are behind the connection
problems I've been having?

Robert


As far as Event Viewer, I wouldn't know what is
safe to delete and what isn't.

Robert

Well, you're going to get a "limited connectivity" icon
if the NCSI test case fails. The computer will try to
send a test HTML request to a server on the Internet,
and not get a response while Frontier is down, and then
you get the icon. But during that time, file sharing
between the two machines (8500 and 780) should still work.

Since your networking normally continues to work after
the icon goes away, I would have to guess Frontier
is not the answer to the original problem.

Paul

So back to the drawing board,...

Robert