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  #1  
Old March 7th 19, 07:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for
the past couple of days. Just wondering if anyone else has noted. Paul?
Anyone?


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  #2  
Old March 8th 19, 03:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
James Davis
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup?

I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found one.
  #3  
Old March 8th 19, 08:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ralph Fox
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:39:41 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote:

What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup?

I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found one.



You are using Google Groups. Google Groups does not carry the Windows 7
newsgroup. You will not find the Windows 7 newsgroup anywhere on Google
Groups, no matter how long or hard you look.


Two different things you can do:

1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group alt.windows7.general.
Sign up with a text-only news server such as one of these:
news.individual.net -- see: https://news.individual.net/
Eternal September -- see: https://www.eternal-september.org/
Albasani -- see: http://albasani.net/index.html.en
AIOE -- see: https://news.aioe.org/ (no sign-up required for AIOE

2. Use a different web service other than Google Groups. For example:
Narkive ................... https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/
1001Newsgroups ............ http://www.1001newsgroups.com/l-alt....7.general.html
PCBanter.net .............. http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48



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  #4  
Old March 8th 19, 09:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ralph Fox
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:13:43 -0700, Bill in Co wrote:

Subject: OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues


Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for
the past couple of days. Just wondering if anyone else has noted. Paul?
Anyone?



The poster is trying to avoid DMCA and EUCD takedowns by posting its
binaries in the (unrelated) Windows 7 newsgroup where it hopes the
copyright owner(s) won't be watching. It has privately messaged
its followers where to find the binaries.

It doesn't care about the Windows 7 newsgroup group or the readers
of that group. To it, they are just "collateral damage".

The big binary news servers don't care too much about text groups
any more. They make their money by selling gigs to binary users.
That is why they allow this kind of stuff in text groups.

If you were using a text-only server (like Paul is), chances are
you would not be seeing this stuff.


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those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw
  #5  
Old March 8th 19, 07:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:13:43 -0700, Bill in Co wrote:

Subject: OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues


Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for
the past couple of days. Just wondering if anyone else has noted.
Paul? Anyone?



The poster is trying to avoid DMCA and EUCD takedowns by posting its
binaries in the (unrelated) Windows 7 newsgroup where it hopes the
copyright owner(s) won't be watching. It has privately messaged
its followers where to find the binaries.

It doesn't care about the Windows 7 newsgroup group or the readers
of that group. To it, they are just "collateral damage".

The big binary news servers don't care too much about text groups
any more. They make their money by selling gigs to binary users.
That is why they allow this kind of stuff in text groups.

If you were using a text-only server (like Paul is), chances are
you would not be seeing this stuff.


I'm not actually seeing the stuff except for the message count. Outlook
Express simply says something like "6800 messages not downloaded", but
they're not really there (or else they are blocked from my access), so it's
a bit illusive. I can reset the counter by clicking on Catch Up, which
resets the message counter to normalcy. Otherwise it simply shows "6800 (or
whatever) messages not downloaded" in the task bar, which is a bit annoying
and perhaps misleading. I say perhaps because....

Either the message counter is not getting properly updated to reflect what
is really there on the Giganews server, or those binary posts really really
are there on the server, which I suppose is more likely, but I can't see or
access them, for some reason ( not that I want to).


  #6  
Old March 8th 19, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:13:43 -0700, Bill in Co wrote:

Subject: OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues


Is that newsgroup being spammed now? It's been very weird over there for
the past couple of days. Just wondering if anyone else has noted.
Paul? Anyone?



The poster is trying to avoid DMCA and EUCD takedowns by posting its
binaries in the (unrelated) Windows 7 newsgroup where it hopes the
copyright owner(s) won't be watching. It has privately messaged
its followers where to find the binaries.

It doesn't care about the Windows 7 newsgroup group or the readers
of that group. To it, they are just "collateral damage".

The big binary news servers don't care too much about text groups
any more. They make their money by selling gigs to binary users.
That is why they allow this kind of stuff in text groups.

If you were using a text-only server (like Paul is), chances are
you would not be seeing this stuff.


In retrospect, I guess this means it ain't gonna change, and one idiot gets
away with posting binaries in a text based newsgroup, and Giganews could
care less. Which sucks. I'm not sure what server Paul is using but I
believe I'm using Giganews, thru Outlook Express.

Guess I'll just have to keep hitting Catch Up, or ignoring the whopping
message counter value in the taskbar of "10,000 messages not downloaded", or
whatever.


  #7  
Old March 9th 19, 02:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Bill in Co wrote:


Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have -
and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had with
them just now:

Live Chat with Support

My chat note to them:
Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup:
alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming).
Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the alt.windows7.general
newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can you take care of this,
please? TNX
William

Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One
moment while I take a look at your request, please.
I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the
content on our servers and thus can not remove any content
Please let me know if you have any other questions for me
Jared

Even if it violates your policy?
William

Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our
servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any
content that may exist.
Jared

I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So there
is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I guess?
William

No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience
Jared

Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is
this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear.
William

No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we have to
regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access to multiple
types of content.
Jared

OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks.
William

If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please
remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays.
Bye for now
Jared
Thank you for contacting us.
Chat session disconnected.

Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and *that's
it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of the times,
with respect to "Customer Service".
At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and perhaps
a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days.


https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html

https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html

It's not worded like normal ones.

Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions",
meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up
to the event horizon of the server. In some countries,
even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep
addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no
mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement.
Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya.

Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them
about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've
been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at
a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one.
And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method,
to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using
the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free".

My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had
admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding
a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.)
And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was
that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't
give a price reduction because of the loss of that service.

Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about
DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it
handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file
automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have
gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can
serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least
possible DMCA kickback (from robots).

*******

Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ?

They might.

And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how
you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option.
That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is
less and less likely as time passes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to
respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may
choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll
get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish
message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL
email system will spring to life. Money talks.

Paul
  #8  
Old March 9th 19, 04:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Posts: 303
Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:


Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have -
and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had
with them just now:

Live Chat with Support

My chat note to them:
Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup:
alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming).
Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the
alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can
you take care of this, please? TNX
William

Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One
moment while I take a look at your request, please.
I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the
content on our servers and thus can not remove any content
Please let me know if you have any other questions for me
Jared

Even if it violates your policy?
William

Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our
servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any
content that may exist.
Jared

I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So
there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I
guess? William

No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience
Jared

Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is
this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear.
William

No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we
have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access
to multiple types of content.
Jared

OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks.
William

If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please
remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays.
Bye for now
Jared
Thank you for contacting us.
Chat session disconnected.

Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and
*that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of
the times, with respect to "Customer Service".
At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and
perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days.


https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html

https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html

It's not worded like normal ones.

Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions",
meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up
to the event horizon of the server. In some countries,
even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep
addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no
mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement.
Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya.

Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them
about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've
been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at
a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one.
And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method,
to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using
the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free".

My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had
admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding
a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.)
And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was
that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't
give a price reduction because of the loss of that service.

Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about
DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it
handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file
automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have
gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can
serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least
possible DMCA kickback (from robots).

*******

Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ?

They might.

And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how
you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option.
That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is
less and less likely as time passes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to
respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may
choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll
get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish
message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL
email system will spring to life. Money talks.

Paul


I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem, and I
don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But I did
send an email to anyway.

Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much so,
that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to Usenet
newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was just
grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an eternity,
it seems now).

At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the
appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even
though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such junk
is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the message
counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I can no longer
rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate reading.


  #9  
Old March 9th 19, 09:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they have -
and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat" conversation I had
with them just now:

Live Chat with Support

My chat note to them:
Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup:
alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka spamming).
Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the
alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can
you take care of this, please? TNX
William

Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One
moment while I take a look at your request, please.
I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of the
content on our servers and thus can not remove any content
Please let me know if you have any other questions for me
Jared

Even if it violates your policy?
William

Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on our
servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to any
content that may exist.
Jared

I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So
there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I
guess? William

No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience
Jared

Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or is
this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear.
William

No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we
have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access
to multiple types of content.
Jared

OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks.
William

If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know. Please
remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including holidays.
Bye for now
Jared
Thank you for contacting us.
Chat session disconnected.

Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and
*that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of
the times, with respect to "Customer Service".
At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and
perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days.

https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html

https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html

It's not worded like normal ones.

Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions",
meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up
to the event horizon of the server. In some countries,
even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep
addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no
mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement.
Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya.

Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them
about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've
been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at
a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one.
And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method,
to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using
the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free".

My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had
admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding
a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.)
And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was
that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't
give a price reduction because of the loss of that service.

Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about
DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it
handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file
automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have
gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can
serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least
possible DMCA kickback (from robots).

*******

Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ?

They might.

And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how
you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option.
That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is
less and less likely as time passes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to
respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may
choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll
get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish
message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL
email system will spring to life. Money talks.

Paul


I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem, and I
don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But I did
send an email to anyway.

Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much so,
that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to Usenet
newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was just
grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an eternity,
it seems now).

At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the
appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even
though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such junk
is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the message
counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I can no longer
rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate reading.


So you're either using a filter in your own newsreader,
which causes that symptom. Or, the server is using
its own cancelbot to cancel those messages. The MID
exists in the server, but the message itself is canceled
by the bot. Maybe that would give the symptoms of "thousands
of things", but none of them being delivered to you.

There's more than one way to solve the problem. The
cancelbot concept is probably a better usage of
computing resources. Putting a PERL filter against
every upload, would cost quite a few CPU cycles.

And no matter how "big" the newsserver is, the admins
uniformly pride themselves on "automation". They don't
want to sit around 24/7 with mouse clicks and play
"whack-a-mole". If they're going to fix something,
a computer will be implementing the method. They will be
off playing golf or going to the movies.

Paul
  #10  
Old March 9th 19, 07:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 303
Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they
have - and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat"
conversation I had with them just now:

Live Chat with Support

My chat note to them:
Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup:
alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka
spamming). Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the
alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can
you take care of this, please? TNX
William

Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support! One
moment while I take a look at your request, please.
I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of
the content on our servers and thus can not remove any content
Please let me know if you have any other questions for me
Jared

Even if it violates your policy?
William

Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on
our servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to
any content that may exist.
Jared

I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So
there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I
guess? William

No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience
Jared

Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or
is this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear.
William

No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we
have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering access
to multiple types of content.
Jared

OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks.
William

If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know.
Please remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including
holidays. Bye for now
Jared
Thank you for contacting us.
Chat session disconnected.

Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and
*that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of
the times, with respect to "Customer Service".
At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and
perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days.
https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html

https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html

It's not worded like normal ones.

Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions",
meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up
to the event horizon of the server. In some countries,
even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep
addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no
mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement.
Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya.

Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them
about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've
been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at
a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one.
And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method,
to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using
the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free".

My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had
admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding
a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.)
And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was
that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't
give a price reduction because of the loss of that service.

Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about
DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it
handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file
automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have
gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can
serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least
possible DMCA kickback (from robots).

*******

Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ?

They might.

And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how
you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option.
That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is
less and less likely as time passes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to
respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may
choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll
get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish
message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL
email system will spring to life. Money talks.

Paul


I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem,
and I don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But
I did send an email to anyway.

Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much
so, that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to
Usenet newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was just
grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an
eternity, it seems now).

At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the
appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even
though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such
junk is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the message
counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I can no
longer rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate reading.


So you're either using a filter in your own newsreader,
which causes that symptom. Or, the server is using
its own cancelbot to cancel those messages. The MID
exists in the server, but the message itself is canceled
by the bot. Maybe that would give the symptoms of "thousands
of things", but none of them being delivered to you.

There's more than one way to solve the problem. The
cancelbot concept is probably a better usage of
computing resources. Putting a PERL filter against
every upload, would cost quite a few CPU cycles.

And no matter how "big" the newsserver is, the admins
uniformly pride themselves on "automation". They don't
want to sit around 24/7 with mouse clicks and play
"whack-a-mole". If they're going to fix something,
a computer will be implementing the method. They will be
off playing golf or going to the movies.

Paul


I don't have a filter for that, so it must be at their end. If their server
is using a cancelbot to cancel those messages, I don't know why I don't get
an accurate count, and have to use Catch Up to reset it. Just today it said
something like 10,000 messages. The only thing I do know is I tried to see
if I could get any of that crap by simply using a wide open find search on
the messages, but only the valid (text) messages show up in that count (like
searching the alt.windows7.general newsgroup for all messages with a space,
or letter a, or a period, or what have you :-)


  #11  
Old March 9th 19, 08:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:
Paul wrote:
Bill in Co wrote:

Just FYI. I just contacted Giganews, and they basically said they
have - and want - NO control over it. Here is a the "chat"
conversation I had with them just now:

Live Chat with Support

My chat note to them:
Binaries are now being posted on a text based newsgroup:
alt.windows7.general, which is a violation of your policy (aka
spamming). Specifically, some idiot is now posting binaries on the
alt.windows7.general newsgroup now, and it just started this week. Can
you take care of this, please? TNX
William

Hello, my name is Jared. Thank you for contacting Giganews Support!
One moment while I take a look at your request, please.
I apologize for the trouble, but we do not monitor or regulate any of
the content on our servers and thus can not remove any content
Please let me know if you have any other questions for me
Jared

Even if it violates your policy?
William

Yes even if it does. We can not be responsible for any content put on
our servers. This is in part so that we can take no responsibility to
any content that may exist.
Jared

I just thought there were rules that had to apply, but I guess not. So
there is nothing I can do, and I can't report it as spam, either, I
guess? William

No, Im afraid not. I apologize for the inconvenience
Jared

Is there anything that I could report that would constitute abuse, or
is this just a free for all? That's disappointing to hear.
William

No there is not. I am sorry. We can not regulate anything or then we
have to regulate everything which would prevent us from offering
access to multiple types of content.
Jared

OK then, sorry to hear that. Thanks.
William

If you have any further questions or concerns, please let us know.
Please remember that Giganews Support is available 24/7 including
holidays. Bye for now
Jared
Thank you for contacting us.
Chat session disconnected.

Unbelievable! They offer the "service" of providing a server, and
*that's it*. Period. But alas, I guess it's just yet another sign of
the times, with respect to "Customer Service".
At least L. L. Bean still offers good quality customer service (and
perhaps a few others), but I guess that's about it, these days.
https://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html

https://www.giganews.com/legal/tos_personal.html

It's not worded like normal ones.

Normal ones say "we will respond to legal actions",
meaning a subpoena for addresses will be honored, up
to the event horizon of the server. In some countries,
even with anonymized headers, there's a requirement to keep
addresses for around a month or so. The giganews makes no
mention of what happens if they're served by law enforcement.
Maybe the employees hide in the lunchroom and sing kumbaya.

Since your reseller is Earthlink, maybe you can ask them
about whether they have a front end to the service. If you've
been given a sort of "news.giganews.net" style address, then at
a guess, their reseller relationship is really a "hands-off" one.
And I cannot imagine a corporation using the reseller method,
to give a rats ass about what happens. The sole reason for using
the reseller option, is so maintenance is "Earthlink-staff-free".

My previous ISP used to run their own news servers. And they had
admins who rode shotgun. (I almost got TOSsed for forwarding
a spammy advert for running shoes, with my joke at the end of it.)
And their excuse when they canceled the service entirely, was
that paying admins was too much trouble. And they also didn't
give a price reduction because of the loss of that service.

Moves like this by facilities like Giganews, is primarily about
DMCA. For example, at least one of the servers changed how it
handled headers, making it harder for their "opponent" to file
automated DMCA takedowns with a robot. So they really have
gone "underground" in a sense, buggering the service so it can
serve binary content (which pays the bills), with the least
possible DMCA kickback (from robots).

*******

Would giganews care if the rest of USENET issued a UDP ?

They might.

And flooding a group, no matter how insignificant, is how
you get that UDP on the radar. That's the nuclear option.
That's when the CABAL gets its act together, which is
less and less likely as time passes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty

It's up to the abuse address on the originating source, to
respond to complaints. The admins on the free servers, may
choose to not respond at all, at least initially. You'll
get a "not my problem". However, if a few million longish
message increase the bandwidth bill for them, the CABAL
email system will spring to life. Money talks.

Paul

I think this is what it's going to come down to. It's not my problem,
and I don't care, which is basically what the chat guy was saying. But
I did send an email to anyway.

Earthlink basically doesn't want anything to do with this, and so much
so, that any new subscribers to Earthlink can't even get any access to
Usenet newsgroups anymore. And that happened a long time ago! I was
just grandfathered in, since I've been with them for so long (almost an
eternity, it seems now).

At any rate, the only annoyance (which I guess is a minor one) is the
appearance of that "xxxxx messages not downloaded" in the taskbar, even
though those messages are not really there as far as my access of such
junk is concerned. So I just have to say "Catch Up" to reset the
message counter. That said, it's still a slight annoyance, since I
can no longer rely on the new message counter to give me an accurate
reading.


So you're either using a filter in your own newsreader,
which causes that symptom. Or, the server is using
its own cancelbot to cancel those messages. The MID
exists in the server, but the message itself is canceled
by the bot. Maybe that would give the symptoms of "thousands
of things", but none of them being delivered to you.

There's more than one way to solve the problem. The
cancelbot concept is probably a better usage of
computing resources. Putting a PERL filter against
every upload, would cost quite a few CPU cycles.

And no matter how "big" the newsserver is, the admins
uniformly pride themselves on "automation". They don't
want to sit around 24/7 with mouse clicks and play
"whack-a-mole". If they're going to fix something,
a computer will be implementing the method. They will be
off playing golf or going to the movies.

Paul


I don't have a filter for that, so it must be at their end. If their
server is using a cancelbot to cancel those messages, I don't know why I
don't get an accurate count, and have to use Catch Up to reset it. Just
today it said something like 10,000 messages. The only thing I do know
is I tried to see if I could get any of that crap by simply using a wide
open find search on the messages, but only the valid (text) messages show
up in that count (like searching the alt.windows7.general newsgroup for
all messages with a space, or letter a, or a period, or what have you :-)


I should correct this. I obviously tried searching for any messages after
xx date, and even that only turns up the text messages. My guess, though,
is those partial video file segments the idiot is posting may indeed be on
their server, but I just can't "see" them.

If I don't reset the "# not downloaded" counter, and it reaches the 16 bit
counter limit, I'm guessing OE will crash. Interesting. I just used Catch
Up tor reset the counter, and I come back later and it's back up to 5000
again. This idiot is really going to town with his video postings (I'm
assuming it's some video files split into segments).


  #12  
Old March 10th 19, 04:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
James Davis
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Posts: 13
Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:01:48 PM UTC-8, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:39:41 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote:

What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup?

I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found one.



You are using Google Groups. Google Groups does not carry the Windows 7
newsgroup. You will not find the Windows 7 newsgroup anywhere on Google
Groups, no matter how long or hard you look.


Two different things you can do:

1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group alt.windows7.general..
Sign up with a text-only news server such as one of these:
news.individual.net -- see: https://news.individual.net/
Eternal September -- see: https://www.eternal-september.org/
Albasani -- see: http://albasani.net/index.html.en
AIOE -- see: https://news.aioe.org/ (no sign-up required for AIOE

2. Use a different web service other than Google Groups. For example:
Narkive ................... https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/
1001Newsgroups ............ http://www.1001newsgroups.com/l-alt....7.general.html
PCBanter.net .............. http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48



--
Kind regards
Ralph
🦊


I use: nntp.aioe.org

So what is the newsgroup address/name for the Windows 7 newsgroup?
  #13  
Old March 10th 19, 05:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co[_3_]
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Posts: 303
Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

James Davis wrote:
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:01:48 PM UTC-8, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:39:41 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote:

What is the UNC address for the Windows 7 newsgroup?

I have been looking for a good one for a long time, but haven't found
one.



You are using Google Groups. Google Groups does not carry the Windows 7
newsgroup. You will not find the Windows 7 newsgroup anywhere on Google
Groups, no matter how long or hard you look.


Two different things you can do:

1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group
alt.windows7.general. Sign up with a text-only news server such as
one of these: news.individual.net -- see:
https://news.individual.net/ Eternal September -- see:
https://www.eternal-september.org/ Albasani -- see:
http://albasani.net/index.html.en AIOE -- see:
https://news.aioe.org/ (no sign-up required for AIOE

2. Use a different web service other than Google Groups. For example:
Narkive ...................
https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com/ 1001Newsgroups
............
http://www.1001newsgroups.com/l-alt....7.general.html PCBanter.net
.............. http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48



--
Kind regards
Ralph
??


I use: nntp.aioe.org

So what is the newsgroup address/name for the Windows 7 newsgroup?


alt.windows7.general


  #14  
Old March 10th 19, 05:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ralph Fox
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Posts: 474
Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 19:40:31 -0800 (PST), James Davis wrote:
On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:01:48 PM UTC-8, Ralph Fox wrote:


1. Use a real newsreader program to read the group alt.windows7.general.


I use: nntp.aioe.org


Your headers say you are still using Google Groups [³].


So what is the newsgroup address/name for the Windows 7 newsgroup?


The newsgroup name is alt.windows7.general -- as in my previous post, and as in carson's reply to you.

You will find that group on aioe [¹]. But you will not find it on Google Groups [²].


____
FOOTNOTES

[¹] The Windows 7 newsgroup "alt.windows7.general" is on aioe:
https://news.aioe.org/tools/groupsli...al &exclude=4

[²] The Windows 7 newsgroup "alt.windows7.general" is not on Google groups:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!fo...ndows7.general

[³] Your headers say you are still using Google Groups:
Path: ..!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegro ups.com!not-for-mail
Complaints-To:
Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2001:558:6045:16:4de2:7cd3:8f25:4bf9;
posting-account=XcXCjAoAAABnob-oSbh7aYIi95LzQmH3
User-Agent: G2/1.0
Message-ID:



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Kind regards
Ralph
  #15  
Old March 11th 19, 09:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
James Davis
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Posts: 13
Default OT - Windows 7 newsgroup issues

Sorry guys,

I just didn't see it ("alt.windows7.general") in the parts of this that I read.

Thanks for pointing it out for me.

James Davis

P.S. I use IE & GG most to post, but I also pre-read the news groups I'm interested in mostly with WLM.
 




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