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1903 finally
MS has bugged me forever to upgrade. I was 2 levels behind. The
update process failed time after time. I have little interest in the new features, I just want the most current security environment. I tried the update again. I put it on a USB stick and ran Setup under an admin id (I'd just run it under mine before, which supposedly has admin rights). The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. |
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Jason wrote:
MS has bugged me forever to upgrade. I was 2 levels behind. The update process failed time after time. I have little interest in the new features, I just want the most current security environment. I tried the update again. I put it on a USB stick and ran Setup under an admin id (I'd just run it under mine before, which supposedly has admin rights). The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. I'm surprised you didn't get the message I got, about "this install is blocked because we have detected a USB stick" :-) I had to switch over to a DVD I'd already burned, and it didn't belch out any more error/warnings stuff. I watch these Upgrade Installs like a hawk, because I've caught the installer in a "lull", taking a "snooze", and on my dime. Then I have to dream up some slapping-around techniques, to try to get the software adrenalin flowing again. (You can try disabling real-time Windows Defender and pause the Search Indexer. Superfetch service was something you could turn off, if the Win10 version you upgrade from is old enough. It's possible Superfetch is gone now.) What boggles my mind, is how the install seems to be mostly CPU limited, when you would expect an "install" to be disk limited somehow. I wonder how fast of a CPU you need, before the disk is actually the slowest part. Paul |
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On 7/3/2019 12:30 AM, Jason wrote:
The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. That is the way I monitor the progress of all updates and installs. It is the best way to monitor the progress of an update -- Judge your ancestors by how well they met their standards not yours. They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them. |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/3/2019 12:30 AM, Jason wrote: The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. That is the way I monitor the progress of all updates and installs. It is the best way to monitor the progress of an update When the screen is covered by blue during the start of the install, you can use control-alt-delete to bring back the Task Bar, and stay in control of the machine during the file copy phase. That's the point of control-alt-delete at that point in time, is to point out that the "blue cover" during that phase isn't absolute. By watching the machine, if something is "competing" with the install, you can do something about it. With the Task Bar visible, you can get to Control Panels and "pause" the Indexing thing. Or using the security icon, switch off Windows Defender real time (if you forgot to do that before the install started). Control-alt-delete would be a mistake during the "juggling balls" reboot phases. That might interrupt some process, rather than achieve "observer status". I've never tried that to see whether it would tip over, with too much prompting. The most irritating part, is watching an activity like this, and see close to zero CPU usage, no disk, and you're wondering why it isn't working hard to finish the install. There are still some performance puzzles. I expect to see the disk light stay real busy when an install is happening, no coffee breaks or the like. Paul |
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On 2019-07-03, Jason wrote:
MS has bugged me forever to upgrade. I was 2 levels behind. The update process failed time after time. I have little interest in the new features, I just want the most current security environment. I tried the update again. I put it on a USB stick and ran Setup under an admin id (I'd just run it under mine before, which supposedly has admin rights). The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. I got my 1903 on D-day; subsequently, I have received several 'cumalative' updates. The 'interesting' part is that when I booted up my computer in the morning on 7-1, I got a screen msg before the login with the welcome msg saying 'welcome to the May 2019' update! Don't know whose calander is messed up. |
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On 7/3/2019 8:00 AM, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote: On 7/3/2019 12:30 AM, Jason wrote: The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. That is the way I monitor the progress of all updates and installs. It is the best way to monitor the progress of an update When the screen is covered by blue during the start of the install, you can use control-alt-delete to bring back the Task Bar, and stay in control of the machine during the file copy phase. That's the point of control-alt-delete at that point in time, is to point out that the "blue cover" during that phase isn't absolute. By watching the machine, if something is "competing" with the install, you can do something about it. With the Task Bar visible, you can get to Control Panels and "pause" the Indexing thing. Or using the security icon, switch off Windows Defender real time (if you forgot to do that before the install started). Control-alt-delete would be a mistake during the "juggling balls" reboot phases. That might interrupt some process, rather than achieve "observer status". I've never tried that to see whether it would tip over, with too much prompting. The most irritating part, is watching an activity like this, and see close to zero CPU usage, no disk, and you're wondering why it isn't working hard to finish the install. There are still some performance puzzles. I expect to see the disk light stay real busy when an install is happening, no coffee breaks or the like. ** Paul I find it interesting to watch interaction of the graphs CPU, Memory, Disk, and WIFI. Even when the machine appears to be taking a break, most of the time, there is something happening in one of the graphs. -- Judge your ancestors by how well they met their standards not yours. They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them. |
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Jason wrote:
In article - september.org, says... In article , says... Even when the machine appears to be taking a break, most of the time, there is something happening in one of the graphs. That's what I noticed. It just seemed that it was all rather leisurely! I also noticed that downloads (updates, I presume) noodled along at a rather slow pace - on the order of 1-5 MB/s whereas downloading the image for use with the Media Builder typically ran faster than 100 MB/s+ Three upgrades in a single day fried my brain. Change MB/s to Mb/s everywhere. Sigh. An OS Upgrade consists of "a thousand or two" packages. The DoSVC can open parallel connections and process as many as 20 packages in parallel. It opens so many connections in fact, the round robin policy of your router will ensure other computers on the same LAN segment will almost "starve" because of the greedy behavior of that one Win10 machine. Don't ask me what happens when multiple Win10 machines attack the same router at the same time. I would expect anyone working on those computers, to take the day off. There are GPEdit controls for modifying that behavior. I felt compelled to see if I could modify the behavior for the better. Even if you reduce DoSvc to around four connections, it can still do an OS Upgrade. What it does in those cases, is downloads a single 2.5GB "blob" of some sort, so the upgrade strategy changes if the installer notices that it's not getting the "traction" it deserves. You can still easily max a residential Internet service with the one connection. I waited *weeks* for that test case to run all by itself. I couldn't accelerate it and had to wait until the machine got the usual servicing stack update as a precursor. (You notice after a Windows Update and reboot, that it's packing a picnic lunch for itself. It requires you to be attentive to what happens after the reboot happens.) Paul |
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On Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:42:03 -0400, Paul
wrote: Jason wrote: MS has bugged me forever to upgrade. I was 2 levels behind. The update process failed time after time. I have little interest in the new features, I just want the most current security environment. I tried the update again. I put it on a USB stick and ran Setup under an admin id (I'd just run it under mine before, which supposedly has admin rights). The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. I'm surprised you didn't get the message I got, about "this install is blocked because we have detected a USB stick" :-) I had to switch over to a DVD I'd already burned, and it didn't belch out any more error/warnings stuff. I've just made a clean install from a USB stick. No warnings. I watch these Upgrade Installs like a hawk, because I've caught the installer in a "lull", taking a "snooze", and on my dime. Then I have to dream up some slapping-around techniques, to try to get the software adrenalin flowing again. (You can try disabling real-time Windows Defender and pause the Search Indexer. Superfetch service was something you could turn off, if the Win10 version you upgrade from is old enough. It's possible Superfetch is gone now.) What boggles my mind, is how the install seems to be mostly CPU limited, when you would expect an "install" to be disk limited somehow. I wonder how fast of a CPU you need, before the disk is actually the slowest part. Paul |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jul 2019 00:42:03 -0400, Paul wrote: Jason wrote: MS has bugged me forever to upgrade. I was 2 levels behind. The update process failed time after time. I have little interest in the new features, I just want the most current security environment. I tried the update again. I put it on a USB stick and ran Setup under an admin id (I'd just run it under mine before, which supposedly has admin rights). The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. I'm surprised you didn't get the message I got, about "this install is blocked because we have detected a USB stick" :-) I had to switch over to a DVD I'd already burned, and it didn't belch out any more error/warnings stuff. I've just made a clean install from a USB stick. No warnings. I was doing a 1903 upgrade install at the time, with the network isolated, so I brought over a USB stick. The purpose of doing that, was cutting off the 4GB download it was about to do. Beat it to the punch. Paul |
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On 7/3/2019 12:30 PM, Jason wrote:
MS has bugged me forever to upgrade. I was 2 levels behind. The update process failed time after time. I have little interest in the new features, I just want the most current security environment. .... The update succeded. Wizard Paul had mentioned the fact in some recent post that you can hit ctrl-alt-del and open the Task Manager while the update is running. I did, it was interesting to watch. Is it V1 or V2? -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£½ä¿ú! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ¤£¨D¯«! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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