Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?

On 16 Aug 2018 07:15:46 GMT, Mayayana wrote:

nospam represents a growing number of people who
have acclimated to "asset management" software

Some may say the Orwellian abomination of iTunes, is (somehow) better than
the Windows file explorer for allowing a user desired access to their
files.

For people like nospam who aren't bothered by the Orwellian restrictions
(and punishments meted out) by the iTunes abomination, this actually may be
true (for them).

For others, who desire actual performance, astronomical flexibility,
immense power, and the freedom to access their files easily, the USB
standard allows *read & write* access to *all your files*.

This is a fact.

The question is why Apple doesn't allow you to manage your own files
without the Orwellian restrictions (and punishments meted out) of iOS.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| An "app" is not a sub-category of "computer program" ... an "app" *IS*
| a computer program. "App" is simply a different term for the same thing.

You're not wrong. A "proggie" is also a computer
program, as detestable as that word is.

fortunately, that hasn't been used for many years.

But in
general usage an "app" is understood to mean a
small applet program that runs on a phone or tablet.

nope. what runs on a phone or tablet is not 'a small applet program'.

As opposed to what's normally called desktop
software. (Which nearly everyone calls either a
program or an application.)

app is short for application, which you say nearly everyone uses.

The practical difference is big enough to justify
distinguishing them. They're written differently. They
run differently. They run on different platforms. And
they generally do different things.

not as much as you think.

the user interface will obviously be different (touch versus mouse),
but otherwise, the differences are relatively minor.

many apps have both a desktop and mobile version and might even share
source code between them.

some mac & windows apps are cross platform and also share source code,
but 'run on different platforms'.

Computer phones
vs desktop and laptop computers generally provide
different kinds of functions -- consumption vs
production.

plenty of people consume on a desktop/laptop computer just as plenty of
people create content on a phone or tablet.

solitaire is a very popular windows app. certainly you don't consider
that to be production, do you?

Calling Uber vs writing letters. Apps are
mostly commercial service programs. Desktop
software is generally for doing some kind of work.
Of course, you could have an MS Word app on your
phone, in theory, but it wouldn't be a very practical
idea.

it's not in theory, and it's very practical.

microsoft office has been available for ios and android for several
years and works exceptionally well.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2014/11/06/office-everywhere/
In March, we announced Office for the iPad®, a major step in
commitment to bring Office to everyone, on every device and anywhere
they need it. Since then, customers took to the App Store and
downloaded Office for their iPads more than 40 million times and
we¹re delighted with the feedback we¹ve received. Customers told us
the apps are beautiful. They told us that they appreciated the
familiar Office experience designed specifically for the iPad. And
most importantly, they told us they wanted us to do more.

the on-screen keyboard works better than you might think, but for those
who prefer a mechanical keyboard, they can use an external bluetooth or
usb keyboard.



If you don't like "app" = phone software then you
can blame Steve Jobs and Apple. They're the ones
who popularized the cutesy term with, "There's an
app for that". I don't remember having ever heard
"app" before that marketing campaign.

just because you didn't hear the term doesn't mean it didn't exist.

it did become more popular with the introduction of the iphone, but so
did many other things.

In comp.mobile.ipad nospam wrote:
In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| An "app" is not a sub-category of "computer program" ... an "app" *IS*
| a computer program. "App" is simply a different term for the same thing.

You're not wrong. A "proggie" is also a computer
program, as detestable as that word is.

fortunately, that hasn't been used for many years.

What about prog? I don't think that is used too.


the on-screen keyboard works better than you might think, but for those
who prefer a mechanical keyboard, they can use an external bluetooth or
usb keyboard.

I assume wireless clicky model M keyboards exist now.


If you don't like "app" = phone software then you
can blame Steve Jobs and Apple. They're the ones
who popularized the cutesy term with, "There's an
app for that". I don't remember having ever heard
"app" before that marketing campaign.

just because you didn't hear the term doesn't mean it didn't exist.

it did become more popular with the introduction of the iphone, but so
did many other things.

Yep. Same with many other stuff!
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In article , Ant
wrote:


I assume wireless clicky model M keyboards exist now.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...ullxfull_31820
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In message Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-08-15 15:12, nospam wrote:
[...]
no he doesn't. he doesn't even understand what web-based even means.
[...]

ROTFLMAO

I go back to the days of Kermit, and such.

Not web-based.

But thanks for exposing your ignorance for all to see.


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In article , Wolf K
wrote:


But in
general usage an "app" is understood to mean a
small applet program that runs on a phone or tablet.

nope. what runs on a phone or tablet is not 'a small applet program'.

Some of them are just automated links to a website (saves the user
typing the URL, I guess).. I'd call those "applets".

you can call it whatever you want, but the correct name is a web app.

web apps will normally also work on laptops and desktops. all that's
needed is a browser. nothing about them is tied to a phone or tablet.

web apps have a lot of limitations versus native apps and the user
experience is generally not as good.

some web sites have java applets, something entirely different, and not
very common anymore.

On Aug 17, 2018, MikeS wrote
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On 16/08/2018 03:42, Arlen Holder wrote:

SNIP

Why?

I don't know why.
You tell me why.

Why do Apple Apologists incessantly fabricate imaginary functionality?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/vcq3ESStmlc/DTreKP6lBAAJ
As a casual passerby I also have a question. Why do you care so much
about Apple that you spend hours typing this stuff?

Classic obsessive TROLL that is why.

I don't like Apple. I don't buy their products. End of story.

Fair enough.

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On 17 Aug 2018 12:58:58 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

I'm saying that I go back to _before_ the web.

I suspect every one of us goes back to before the Internet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

In comp.mobile.ipad nospam wrote:
In article , Ant
wrote:


I assume wireless clicky model M keyboards exist now.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...ullxfull_31820
6508_1024x1024.jpg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0185/6812/products/newpic11_1024x1024.jpg

LOL. Not that old. I never used a typewriter before.
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In article , Ant
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I assume wireless clicky model M keyboards exist now.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...ullxfull_31820
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https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0185/6812/products/newpic11_1024x1024.jpg


LOL. Not that old. I never used a typewriter before.

then it isn't for you

it really does work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3g4ZBt3o0

not very practical, but thoroughly amusing.

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:14:55 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-08-17 16:55, Arlen Holder wrote:
On 17 Aug 2018 12:58:58 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

I'm saying that I go back to _before_ the web.

I suspect every one of us goes back to before the Internet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

Kermit and other communication protocols are roughly contemporaneous
with the WWW.


Kermit began in1981 and the web in 1991. So Kermit was 10 years
earlier. (I didn't know those dates. I had to look them both up on
Google g)


The internet was developed for DARPA, who wanted a highly
redundant and therefore resilient communications network for military
communications. AIUI, the WWW relies on several of those protocols, but
you can use them apart from the web. IIRC, kermit was made open source a
few years ago. AFAIK it can still be used to access servers that
understand it. Not that I remember how to do it. I do remember using it
(with a step-by-step printed guide) to access some files on a university
server somewhere. A friend of mine used it regularly, and occasionally
sent me printouts of interesting information.

And there were the bulletin boards. Another friend ran one, but I never
accessed it. IIRC, he had about 3 dozen subscribers.


I was very active on bulletin boards from around 1990 to 2000.

In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Ken Blake wrote:
....
I was very active on bulletin boards from around 1990 to 2000.

Me too. I got an internal Zoom 2400 dial-up modem. I started out with
Prodigy and then BBSes.

Did you ever watch http://www.bbsdocumentary.com ? It's old, but great.
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In message Wolf K wrote:
In short, I see no reason why I should have to use any of those methods
if I don't want to.

If you want to get your files onto an iOS device, you do. If being able
to use a USB cable and access the files system of a phone directly is a
critical feature for you, then you need to by a malware magnet running
the insecure-by-design Android operating system. Good luck getting a
tablet running android that isn't a complete piece of **** though,
beyond the security and malware issues.

A friend of mine spent Wednesday taking photo scans of people on his
iPhone X and them importing them into a fancy rendering program to
create animated "memoji" like cartoon characters that he the put into a
humorous training video for a company. He had a rough cut done the same
day. He expevts to have the video entirely done in a month.

When he did this 3 years ago, it took 3 months to get a rough cut and 6
more months to finish the video work and that finished video looks
considerably worse than the rough cut he just did.

He did not complain that he could not get the 3D models of his phone. In
fact, they were on his computer by the time he got to his computer, so he
didn't have to do anything at all to get them off his iOS device.

With Windows, I can connect another device via cable
(and some wirelessly), and see the other device as readable/writable
storage.

Depends on the device, it certainly doesn't work for, say, another
window computers, were connecting them together with a USB cable does...
nothing at all.

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another gives its ease And builds a heaven in Hell's despair

In message Frank Slootweg wrote:
Lewis wrote:
In message Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-08-13 22:50, nospam wrote:
In article , Bob_S wrote:

I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad
with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet -
but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the
limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer
files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not worth the
effort.

it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating
system.

Typical utterly useless "You're wrong" post.

The idiot troll is always wrong.

Dear Confused, neither Bob_S, nor Wolf K are "The idiot troll".

It's time you gave real world examples so that the poor sods who lack
your brilliance and knowledge can learn how to dfo it themselves.

[More reading for comprehension problems deleted.]

I transfer files between my computers an iPads with no issue at all, and
have been doing it for many years.

1. Connect device and drag files in via iTunes

Yup. So why doesn't your fellow Apple zealot just *say* so and
get/have this over with!?

2. User a service like Dropbox, Google Drive., of iCloud Drive
3. Use AirDrop from another iOS device or a Mac
4. Email
5. Messages
6. other messaging services that work on iOS and support files (Dunno
which, I don't use other message programes, but I expect they exist).

Yeah, those all with great without a network (i.e. also no local-only
one)! NOT!

AirDrop works perfectly without a network. It is how I transferred files
with people on a zodiac boat a few miles off the coast of Alaska.

7. Use a Synology with DS File

Checking... Nah, don't have one in my car, sorry!

You are transferring files in your car? Then use AirDrop. Duh.,

8. Backblaze
9. FTP server
10. HTTP server

See 2. through 6..

And I bet I am forgetting many.

Which also don't work in the given scenario?

The "given scenario" is "I WANT TO USE A USB CABLE WAH WAH WAH! IT's
1999! SHUT UP!"


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On 2018-08-18 00:09:54 +0000, Ken Blake said:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:14:55 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:
On 2018-08-17 16:55, Arlen Holder wrote:
On 17 Aug 2018 12:58:58 GMT, Wolf K wrote:

I'm saying that I go back to _before_ the web.

I suspect every one of us goes back to before the Internet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

Kermit and other communication protocols are roughly contemporaneous
with the WWW.

Kermit began in1981 and the web in 1991. So Kermit was 10 years
earlier. (I didn't know those dates. I had to look them both up on
Google g)


The internet was developed for DARPA, who wanted a highly
redundant and therefore resilient communications network for military
communications. AIUI, the WWW relies on several of those protocols, but
you can use them apart from the web. IIRC, kermit was made open source a
few years ago. AFAIK it can still be used to access servers that
understand it. Not that I remember how to do it. I do remember using it
(with a step-by-step printed guide) to access some files on a university
server somewhere. A friend of mine used it regularly, and occasionally
sent me printouts of interesting information.

And there were the bulletin boards. Another friend ran one, but I never
accessed it. IIRC, he had about 3 dozen subscribers.

I was very active on bulletin boards from around 1990 to 2000.

There are still a few bulletin boards around run and used by hobbyists
and enthusists.