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  #1  
Old December 1st 13, 03:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/

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Old December 1st 13, 08:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/


OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul
  #3  
Old December 1st 13, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

On 12/1/2013 8:47 PM, Paul wrote:
Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/


OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul


Don't hold your breath.

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  #4  
Old December 1st 13, 09:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

On 12/01/2013 01:47 PM, Paul wrote:
Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/


OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul


I have had it with Microsoft, and their cloud computing and touch
screens. Also the constant monitoring of what a person does on their
own computer.

I have moved on to Linux Mint 16, and won't be using Windows again. It
does everything I need it to do, and it's fun to use.
  #5  
Old December 1st 13, 09:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

On 12/1/2013 3:14 PM, Alias wrote:
On 12/1/2013 8:47 PM, Paul wrote:
Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/



OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul


Don't hold your breath.

I will never place data in the "Cloud". It is my data to do with as I
wish, not what some computer company wants to do to make more money. I
have a perfect security system on my computer. I turn it off when I am
not using it.

If I wish to share a file with someone I either email it of cut it to a
CD and send it to them.
  #6  
Old December 1st 13, 09:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

On 12/1/2013 11:47 AM, Paul wrote:
Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/


OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul


Too late. The "cloud" models already exist for both businesses and
the public and they are being assembled right now. It is a return to
the "dark ages" with central servers (the "cloud" farm) and terminals
or thin clients for users. Nor is it coincidental that Microsoft and
Intel have ended OS, software and hardware updates beyond Windows XP
for most "older" systems, forcing the acquisition of new ones based
on the cloud concept. Even the home user is being initiated into this
idea, with the "automated" family home starting with alarm and house
management systems.

GR
  #7  
Old December 1st 13, 10:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

On 01/12/2013 14:29, Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/



So January will be another busy month to "upgrade"!!!!!!!!!! i have
still not applied all the Windows 8.1 and Office 2010 patches; These
have to wait until 8.2 comes out.

Anyone seen the offical press release yet?


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Old December 2nd 13, 12:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:05:51 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 01/12/2013 14:29, Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/



So January will be another busy month to "upgrade"!!!!!!!!!!



Maybe. Only maybe. It's just a rumor, and like all rumors, only little
attention should be paid to it.

How likely is 8.2 in January? Just a guess on my part, but I strongly
doubt that it will happen that soon. And when the next version comes
out, will it be called 8.2? I don't know that either.


i have
still not applied all the Windows 8.1 and Office 2010 patches; These
have to wait until 8.2 comes out.

Anyone seen the offical press release yet?



There has been none. Again, it's nothing but a rumor.

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Old December 2nd 13, 01:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

On Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:47:39 -0500, Paul wrote:

Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/


OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul


Do I detect a note of sarcasm?

:-)

I'm doing OK with my quite limited use of W8, so I guess the 8.2 changes
won't make much difference to me.

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  #10  
Old December 2nd 13, 02:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

Paul wrote:
Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/


OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul


I wouldn't bank on that.

The Enterprise environment is too dependent on Windows and non-domain
based ecosystems should continue to provide local account management.
That market and the smart device market will continue to drive Windows
direction. With local intranet based cloud as an Enterprise option
supplemented by external and smart device capacity constraints the
external cloud is even more inevitable.

The consumer market, on the other hand, is headed for the MSFT only
account and as noted previously there is a strong possibility that the
MSFT account will become necessary for updates/upgrades and patches
(Windows Update). Further more, the future of Windows could very well
move closer to the Office 365 model ($$ per year to maintain current and
obtain future o/s).

Plan to adapt.



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msft mvp consumer apps
  #11  
Old December 2nd 13, 02:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

Good Guy wrote:
On 01/12/2013 14:29, Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/




So January will be another busy month to "upgrade"!!!!!!!!!! i have
still not applied all the Windows 8.1 and Office 2010 patches; These
have to wait until 8.2 comes out.

Anyone seen the official press release yet?



No official release exists. The article title provide that confirmation
by implication - 'Rumors'

With the recent change to 8.1 being only available in full version
software with the only upgrade path to 8.1 necessitating presence of
8.0..it would seem highly likely that 8.1 will follow the similar path
(i.e. 8.1 necessary to upgrade to 8.2 via the Store or purchase full
version media to perform a clean 8.2 install or upgrade using full
version media from within 8.1 to 8.2).

Office 2010 is legacy software...imo, there is no compelling reason to
not be running Office 2010 SP2 with all updates installed.



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  #12  
Old December 2nd 13, 03:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 01/12/2013 20:48, Ghostrider 00 wrote:

Too late. The "cloud" models already exist for both businesses and
the public and they are being assembled right now. It is a return to
the "dark ages" with central servers (the "cloud" farm) and terminals
or thin clients for users. Nor is it coincidental that Microsoft and
Intel have ended OS, software and hardware updates beyond Windows XP
for most "older" systems, forcing the acquisition of new ones based
on the cloud concept. Even the home user is being initiated into this
idea, with the "automated" family home starting with alarm and house
management systems.

GR



I thought Google has already got this; It is called Google Chrome and
the machine is almost dummy but you use all the applications using the
Chrome Browser that is somehow bundled with the machine.

All you need is Internet Access.

Professor Michio Kaku has already predicted what the world will look
like in 2030!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY

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Website: http://html-css.co.uk
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Old December 2nd 13, 03:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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The Enterprise environment is too dependent on Windows[...]

I totally agree which I believe is one of the assumptions that MS used
for all kinds of planning.

But as far as I know, it is not because Windows itself but because of
the invested back-end infrastructures and mission critical systems that
are relying on Windows-based platforms and are using client Windows for
interactions.

It's not going to change anytime soon, but it's "enterprises."

With Web applications and cloud and more and more 3rd parties providers,
non-enterprises including SMB (small and medium business) and consumers
are not necessarily constrained by MS platforms. For example, one of
the must-use database for enterprises is Oracle database, and they now
have Linux and online subscription model. And I believe that it is
targeted at "SMB" for non-Windows based platforms.

Similar trends have been going for a while and with more and more SMB
are using 3rd parities solutions not only for Internet but also for
Intranet, the constraint is less and less relevant for non-enterprises.

Someday, sooner or later, client Windows may not be needed for
interacting with their back-end systems, and compatible Office Suits
may replace MS Office suits not to mention that I also noticed a
different document format (PDF) is merging to replace the traditional
document format (doc, docx).

So the optimistic scenario is that using Enterprises to force adaption.

But the other possibility is that it will be like IBM who is being
cornered at the "enterprise" segment and is pretty much irrelevant to
consumer and SMB.

So,

Plan to adapt.


Not necessarily. Plan to move away.


On 12/2/2013 09:48, ...winston wrote:
Paul wrote:
Live wrote:
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/micros...n-windows-8-2/



OMG, I LOL.

The Microsoft press releases go like this. It's the same every time.

Month 0: "We will change the orbit of the sun and the moon.
We will do big things. Expected price $159.95."

Month 6: "First alpha is back. Developers have managed to
move the mouse cursor around the screen. Significant
progress could happen at any time."

Month 12: "The preview is ready. It turned out we couldn't
quite manage to change the orbit of the sun or the
moon. Instead, we made the colors of Outlook more
bland, knowing how much that ****es off customers.
Expected upgrade price of the new OS is $15.95.
Expect your favorite deck chairs to be moved around again."

*******

I notice they mention "Cloud integration". I presume the next
Windows OS will be called "Windows NSA" or "Windows Bluffdale",
as Bluffdale is where the next NSA data warehousing project it located.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

As far as I'm concerned, "the Cloud is Dead" as a concept.
Any OS that only has a Microsoft Account, and no local account,
is dead as far as I'm concerned. I hope they keep that in mind.

Paul


I wouldn't bank on that.

The Enterprise environment is too dependent on Windows and non-domain
based ecosystems should continue to provide local account management.
That market and the smart device market will continue to drive Windows
direction. With local intranet based cloud as an Enterprise option
supplemented by external and smart device capacity constraints the
external cloud is even more inevitable.

The consumer market, on the other hand, is headed for the MSFT only
account and as noted previously there is a strong possibility that the
MSFT account will become necessary for updates/upgrades and patches
(Windows Update). Further more, the future of Windows could very well
move closer to the Office 365 model ($$ per year to maintain current and
obtain future o/s).

Plan to adapt.




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Old December 2nd 13, 09:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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xfile wrote:
The Enterprise environment is too dependent on Windows[...]


I totally agree which I believe is one of the assumptions that MS used
for all kinds of planning.

But as far as I know, it is not because Windows itself but because of
the invested back-end infrastructures and mission critical systems that
are relying on Windows-based platforms and are using client Windows for
interactions.

It's not going to change anytime soon, but it's "enterprises."

With Web applications and cloud and more and more 3rd parties providers,
non-enterprises including SMB (small and medium business) and consumers
are not necessarily constrained by MS platforms. For example, one of
the must-use database for enterprises is Oracle database, and they now
have Linux and online subscription model. And I believe that it is
targeted at "SMB" for non-Windows based platforms.

Similar trends have been going for a while and with more and more SMB
are using 3rd parities solutions not only for Internet but also for
Intranet, the constraint is less and less relevant for non-enterprises.

Someday, sooner or later, client Windows may not be needed for
interacting with their back-end systems, and compatible Office Suits may
replace MS Office suits not to mention that I also noticed a different
document format (PDF) is merging to replace the traditional document
format (doc, docx).

So the optimistic scenario is that using Enterprises to force adaption.

But the other possibility is that it will be like IBM who is being
cornered at the "enterprise" segment and is pretty much irrelevant to
consumer and SMB.

So,

Plan to adapt.


Not necessarily. Plan to move away.


MSFT, agreed, has pretty much forced the SMB's hand with deprecation of
previous available application software and services at the expense of
catering to the enterprise ecosystem.

The old-guard approach is changing..but, still too many good-old-boys in
the enterprise driven financial approval process to risk change (and
still seen as change for the sake of change) in the big-bucks corporate
world.

The PDF format afiacs is a logical one due to the ability to commonize
file type and protect the distribution of proprietary information in
documents.

Where will it end up ? Maybe your plan will prove true....but imo, your
plan to 'move away' with any significant impact on market based adoption
is a decade away. Adaptation is necessary well in advance of that
possible objective.

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Old December 3rd 13, 05:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
xfile[_3_]
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Default Microsoft Rumors Say Big Changes Coming in Windows 8.2

The old-guard approach is changing..but, still too many good-old-boys in
the enterprise driven financial approval process to risk change (and
still seen as change for the sake of change) in the big-bucks corporate
world.


Fully agreed. No rational manager will change perfectly working systems
for the sake of change including OS upgrade not to mention for business
applications and backbone systems.

Look at the Windows XP's share which,still, is stubbornly taking around 30%.

And that is why I mentioned "It's not going to change anytime soon, but
it's "enterprises.""

However, the point is that the synergy created by the server products,
client OS, development tools, Office, and consumer service is falling
apart and each category is being attacked heavily by competitors.

When new investments on backbone systems are not bound by Windows
platforms, the linkage between the back- and front-end is broken which
means that it doesn't have to use client Windows as the front-end interface.

So, the old mentality and approach of using business requirements to
creating/forcing consumer needs will not work - for long.

The PDF format afiacs is a logical one due to the ability to commonize
file type and protect the distribution of proprietary information in
documents.


One of the best things coming out of the whole Web-based thing is that
everything is moving, though gradually, to standard protocols and
formats, and PDF is just one of them. And platform will become/is
becoming a less important factor.

Where will it end up ? Maybe your plan will prove true....but imo, your
plan to 'move away' with any significant impact on market based adoption
is a decade away.


A decade would be an optimistic estimate And it's not my plan, sort
of speaking. As they say, Rome wasn't built nor burnt in a day.


Adaptation is necessary well in advance of that
possible objective.


It is happening just in case you didn't notice. Consumer and business
are delaying their purchase/upgrade on Windows PCs.

New investments on backbone systems are gradually moving away from
Windows platforms especially for SMB's and some enterprises.

Windows-based devices are taking a relatively small percentage of the
market share.

Again, the old mentality and approach of using business requirements to
creating/forcing consumer needs will not work - for long.

They need to create something decent to *re-attract* the market, and the
current approach (e.g. Windows 8.x) isn't going to work.


 




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