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  #106  
Old October 3rd 14, 05:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
lew
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Default Windows 8.1 user accounts, you have GOT to be kidding.

On 2014-10-01, Joe User wrote:
On 01/10/14 00:45, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2014-09-30 6:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:00:32 +0100, Joe User wrote:


snip

Another reason to use Linux.


That is probably the dumbest thing ever written in this newsgroup. Your
statement either suggests that old machines running GNU/Linux can't
possibly have a hardware issue which kills the machine or that GNU/Linux
aren't in the habit of forgetting their Skype user credentials as though
as they're somehow superior.


This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in this thread. It's not
about forgetting passwords it's about requiring a whole new Microsoft
account. Comprehension difficulties?


Probably. It is more insidious than that as even the ereaders for a
pc from Barnes & Noble and Amazon require the need to use the
windows to get the reader; they're no longer available for download
at their respective sites which means an email addr.

I'm back on win8 (8.1.1) because I tried to changed my boot from
mbr to uefi; messed things up by not setting the bios before trying
& didn't "backup" as didn't need to backup data which were on 2 other
drives, not the separate boot hdd.

Found that my upgrade usb install could not be activated; did the
2 install method by just running the setup.exe on the usb & still
had to call for activation. The thing is that some updates require
the the "user" must have a m$ email-id which will be used to id
the user! Had to use the email-id to continue; something got changed
during 1 of the updates! At least I was able to change back to a local
account BUT had to use a different name as what I used is no longer
id for my local account on the start of the install but is now id'ed
with the email-id.

Haven't tried it yet but wonder if I will have to switch users when
accessing the store.....

m$ is becoming more tyrannical to be like crapple.
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  #107  
Old October 3rd 14, 08:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Joe User[_3_]
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Default Windows 8.1 user accounts, you have GOT to be kidding.

On 03/10/14 05:13, lew wrote:
On 2014-10-01, Joe User wrote:
On 01/10/14 00:45, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2014-09-30 6:28 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:00:32 +0100, Joe User wrote:


snip

Another reason to use Linux.

That is probably the dumbest thing ever written in this newsgroup. Your
statement either suggests that old machines running GNU/Linux can't
possibly have a hardware issue which kills the machine or that GNU/Linux
aren't in the habit of forgetting their Skype user credentials as though
as they're somehow superior.


This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in this thread. It's not
about forgetting passwords it's about requiring a whole new Microsoft
account. Comprehension difficulties?


Probably. It is more insidious than that as even the ereaders for a
pc from Barnes & Noble and Amazon require the need to use the
windows to get the reader; they're no longer available for download
at their respective sites which means an email addr.


The whole platform is now effectively becoming spyware. There's a subtle
(or perhaps not so subtle) change in the internetworking bioverse (that
is the sub-set of humanity that uses 'the internet' for 'Slimer and
....winston et al). It now seems that it is the rule that you need to
identify yourself in some way before accessing anything and the
aforesaid bioverse is now becoming so used to this that it doesn't seem
unusual or unreasonable. It's called social engineering and the
corporations are getting better at it all the time.

Well I'm now making a habit, when helping people with this nonsense, of
advising them to use throw away email accounts whenever possible and
give false information when asked, also to password protect the
'emergency recovery' hidden admin account with a password although I'd
bet the farm that this isn't really the answer as I'm sure the spooks
will still find a way in.

This is the first time I've ever looked at any Windows version in any
depth, a case of having to really, and I have to say the stench is
becoming unbearable.

snip

m$ is becoming more tyrannical to be like crapple.


I've never owned an Apple device, I've only recently got an up to date
Android device (which now has all the tracking spyware disabled) and I
have never given my real details to any of these 'ad target harvesters'

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  #108  
Old October 3rd 14, 10:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Roderick Stewart
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Default Windows 8.1 user accounts, you have GOT to be kidding.

On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:48:57 +0100, Joe User wrote:

The whole platform is now effectively becoming spyware. There's a subtle
(or perhaps not so subtle) change in the internetworking bioverse (that
is the sub-set of humanity that uses 'the internet' for 'Slimer and
...winston et al). It now seems that it is the rule that you need to
identify yourself in some way before accessing anything and the
aforesaid bioverse is now becoming so used to this that it doesn't seem
unusual or unreasonable. It's called social engineering and the
corporations are getting better at it all the time.


Indeedy. I installed the preview version of Windows 10 on a spare
machine yesterday, having had to create a Microsoft Account in order
to get to the webpage to download it, and found that it wanted me to
login with said account in order to install it too. From recollection,
this is the same as Windows 8, where there's a page during
installation that only offers two options - login with an existing
account or create a new one. A lot of people will be caught by this,
but once you know about it, the thing to do is choose to login with an
existing account, and on the *next* page, you finally get the option
to install without logging in to anything.

Then you try to use some of the supplied applications, and again it
wants you to login, just to use something ordinary like a calendar, so
you give up with all this nonsense and use your own.

Another annoyance is that it doesn't seem to be identifiable as an
operating system to a Linux installation program, which no longer
offers the option to install automatically alongside it, as it used to
with Windows 8 or any other system on the same machine.

Apart from that, first impressions of the look of Windows 10 is that
it's an improvement on Windows 8, but that's only because it's halfway
back to what we already had before, so it's debateable whether that
counts as an improvement at all.

Rod.
  #109  
Old October 3rd 14, 12:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Joe User[_3_]
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Default Windows 8.1 user accounts, you have GOT to be kidding.

On 03/10/14 10:10, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 08:48:57 +0100, Joe User wrote:

The whole platform is now effectively becoming spyware. There's a subtle
(or perhaps not so subtle) change in the internetworking bioverse (that
is the sub-set of humanity that uses 'the internet' for 'Slimer and
...winston et al). It now seems that it is the rule that you need to
identify yourself in some way before accessing anything and the
aforesaid bioverse is now becoming so used to this that it doesn't seem
unusual or unreasonable. It's called social engineering and the
corporations are getting better at it all the time.


Indeedy. I installed the preview version of Windows 10 on a spare
machine yesterday, having had to create a Microsoft Account in order
to get to the webpage to download it, and found that it wanted me to
login with said account in order to install it too. From recollection,
this is the same as Windows 8, where there's a page during
installation that only offers two options - login with an existing
account or create a new one. A lot of people will be caught by this,
but once you know about it, the thing to do is choose to login with an
existing account, and on the *next* page, you finally get the option
to install without logging in to anything.

Then you try to use some of the supplied applications, and again it
wants you to login, just to use something ordinary like a calendar, so
you give up with all this nonsense and use your own.


Quite. This morning I had a lady who came in quite upset that she
couldn't access her ebay account on her new laptop.
Every time she clicked the ebay 'app' she was required to provide all
sorts of information *again*, she just wanted to get to ebay.

So I suggested she ditched the app crap and installed Firefox.
Once we had Firefox up and running we went to ebay and logged in with
her existing credentials. I then showed her how to use Firefox to access
her web mail and her favorite news sites all in one instance with
multiple tabs. She was happy again.

I couldn't really explain why she just couldn't login via the app crap
with her existing credentials. I can take a guess but then I would
probably be accused of paranoia

Another annoyance is that it doesn't seem to be identifiable as an
operating system to a Linux installation program, which no longer
offers the option to install automatically alongside it, as it used to
with Windows 8 or any other system on the same machine.


Quite frankly I've given up now. I just sandbox the crapware in a
virtual machine while I take it to bits. I'm pretty sure I'll never buy
anything from Micro$oft ever again.


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