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Old September 9th 15, 12:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Kenny
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed with
performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD (c£75) hoping
to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the expense. My thinking
is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset etc. would still be a
bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster HDD
may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill

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Old September 9th 15, 02:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Charlie
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

On 9/9/2015 8:23 AM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:45:20 +0100, "Kenny" wrote:

Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed with
performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD (c£75) hoping
to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the expense. My thinking
is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset etc. would still be a
bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster HDD
may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


Performance in what respect ? Booting, starting programs and things
like that.

You may or may not notice a difference. My desktop is much faster with
an ssd.
How much ram and can that be increased ? Increasing the amount of
memory always and still is the first thing to look at.
Another thing to look at is how many junk programs are running.


Ken1943

many of the laptops have a slow processor and video system.
Sort of ok for anything but many games.
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Old September 9th 15, 04:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

Kenny posted this via :

Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed
with performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD
(c£75) hoping to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the
expense. My thinking is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset
etc. would still be a bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster
HDD may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


Acer should be allowing you access to some support. What you're describing
certainly is NOT typical of Acer devices... Most likely a RAM thing...
could easily be your 3rd-party anti-virus or firewall.

SSD has drawbacks... like degradation over time and usage. Before you take
that leap, I'd suggest you uninstall any 3rd-party AV and/or firewall and
go with Windows firewall and Defender for a time. Be sure to clean out
caches and defrag... Also, double check your video drivers to insure
you're as up to date as practical. SSD would be the last place I'd go
simply for performance speed issues.

HTH.

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Old September 9th 15, 05:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

"Kenny" wrote:

Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster
HDD may not significantly improve speed?


You should accept the fact that you've been a victim and an SSD will
significantly improve speed.

I can't imagine anybody buying a modern computer without an SSD. You are
your own victim.

Good luck.
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Old September 9th 15, 05:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Kenny schreef op 9/09/2015 om 13:45:
Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed
with performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD
(c£75) hoping to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the
expense. My thinking is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset
etc. would still be a bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster
HDD may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


For sure, it will be significantly faster with an SSD.

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Old September 9th 15, 06:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

Samsung PRO (note: PRO not EVO) Pro is about 20% more but look
on line for some great deals. I bought mine at a retail store but they
honored the on line price. Support your brick and mortar if they will
support you!

(1) Depends on the PC chip set.
e.g. my laptop runs at 50% of full SSD speed capability due to the chip
set. This was confirmed by the Samsung Magician app.

(2) 10 year warranty.

(3) Extreme power consumption reduction. Battery powered is much
extended. Improvement depends on your PC hardware setup and the Win
power settings.

(4) An SSD sticker to apply to a visible part of the PC is include to
improve your bragging rights. lol

And yes, even at 50% of speed capability, it is likably faster.

But for me it was a nightmare to clone since the Samsung provided
software did not work!
I used EaseUS Partition Master Free to adjust my source partition
before the clone.
I used Macrium Reflect Free v6 (with intelligent clone) to do the
clone.
Once I did the clone and installed the SSD into the laptop, I booted a
few times doing cleanup and then I ran Samsung Magician (it work this
time but not on the first few attempts) to "optimize" (whatever Samsung
means by that). Note: Magician is a different app than the Samsung
Clone app.

Good luck!

HTH


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Old September 9th 15, 06:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Kenny wrote on 9/9/2015 7:45 AM:
Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have
been very disappointed with performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD (c£75) hoping to speed it up
but unsure if the benefit is worth the expense. My thinking is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset etc. would
still be a bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster HDD may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


I got a cheap 120G for about $50 US a year ago so it wasn't that big of a deal. I did see a nice improvement, nothing
like I've been told, of course I did not shop for quality, but for price. SSD is not an SSD, it's not that simple.
But as others have said, the video, memory, and bloatware can all degrade your performance.

I did that Microsoft rating thing they show on the 'my computer' properties window and my video card on a desktop was
trashing my system. Bought a new card and got much better rating. Of course you can't do that with a laptop but the
point is there.

I like the cleanup and memory ideas first. Then if you have more money than brains, but the drive.

PS, I also bought a CD drive caddy to hold the old 500G hd and removed my cd/dvd drive. So now I have two drives in the
laptop, one SSD and one spinner. A nice option.


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Old September 9th 15, 07:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

Kenny wrote:
Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed
with performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD
(c£75) hoping to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the
expense. My thinking is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset
etc. would still be a bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster
HDD may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


Many people find their boot time is faster.

But lots of other stuff leaves them unimpressed.

The OS file system design is a bottleneck, and there
is a limit to how many context switches per second the
file system seems to be willing to do. Don't be surprised
if some file operations (tree traversal) still happen
at 200 files per second, even though the device has
a 100,000 IOPS rating.

So far, I bought one SSD, and returned it the next day.
I didn't even benchmark it when I first got it. I tried to just
use it, and noticed immediately something was wrong with it.
It's write performance was only as "good as a hard drive".
I tried an ATTO benchmark, which reported 500MB/sec at
64K block size (proving the SATAIII cable was OK). I
formatted NTFS with 64K clusters, and did transfers, and
the results did not match ATTO at all. The drive was typically
doing maybe 110MB/sec reads (on a SATAIII port). And the type
of data stored in a sector, seemed to be determining the
read-out speed. So I returned it and got my money back.

http://i59.tinypic.com/5ze0sh.jpg

So in the picture there, I did a Secure Erase (to reset the thing),
using the provided Toolbox for the drive. I did 10GB of random
writes, 10GB of zeros, and alternated. Then ran HDTune to
look at the whole disk performance. The random data results,
were the same kind of results I saw when I tried to do a
backup to the new SSD (treat it as a data drive). When I saw the
backup running slowly, that's when I decided I needed to benchmark
it. And it didn't look all that impressive then.

Paul
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Old September 10th 15, 01:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

On 09/09/2015 07:45, Kenny wrote:
Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed
with performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD
(c£75) hoping to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the
expense. My thinking is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset
etc. would still be a bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster
HDD may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


I can only speak from experience on My kids inspiron dell laptop. I
would intel i3 processor.His HD died I replaced it with pny ssd 240 gb.
The laptop was almost twice as fast.The kid said it never work as good
before.On My desktops the speed increase is very noticable. I would have
to recommend SSD.
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Old September 10th 15, 09:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Kenny
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

Thanks for all the replies. I am fairly fastidious about maintenance ie:
cleanup, malware, AV, startup apps, defrag, removing Acer crap etc. This is
my 2nd identical laptop, first returned to Argos because of issues with
Miracast/WiDi and Bluetooth. Acer support no help at all, their stock
answer is format and reinstall no matter what the problem is! I am waiting
for my Win 10 upgrade and considering a clean install on an SSD but
concerned that other factors will still degrade performance. Another thing
with Acer is that I must use their drivers, Intel drivers won't work.

Kenny

"Dino" wrote in message ...

On 09/09/2015 07:45, Kenny wrote:
Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed
with performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD
(c£75) hoping to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the
expense. My thinking is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset
etc. would still be a bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster
HDD may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


I can only speak from experience on My kids inspiron dell laptop. I
would intel i3 processor.His HD died I replaced it with pny ssd 240 gb.
The laptop was almost twice as fast.The kid said it never work as good
before.On My desktops the speed increase is very noticable. I would have
to recommend SSD.

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Old September 11th 15, 01:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

On Wed, 9 Sep 2015 12:45:20 +0100, "Kenny" wrote:

Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed with
performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD (c£75) hoping
to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the expense. My thinking
is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset etc. would still be a
bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster HDD
may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


When you first got it did it seem fast before you started adding and
removing stuff? What seems slow about it? Surfing, spreadsheets,
opening programs, encoding movies, graphics programs or ????
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Old September 11th 15, 04:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default SSD upgrade, worth it or not?

On Wed, 09 Sep 2015 12:45:20 +0100, Kenny wrote:

Bought this Acer laptop only a few months ago, thought it would be fast
because it has a 4 core Intel i5 CPU and have been very disappointed
with performance. Been toying with the idea of fitting a 250GB SSD
(c£75) hoping to speed it up but unsure if the benefit is worth the
expense. My thinking is that maybe then the onboard graphics, chipset
etc. would still be a bottleneck.
Should I just accept that I've been the victim of Acer hype and faster
HDD may not significantly improve speed?

Kenny Cargill


Every pc I've put an SSD into it has been an upgrade. From my lowly
TurionX2 laptop using a SATA1.5 interface to my 965BE with a SATA3
interface.
Every time it was an upgrade.

I LOVE SSD's ever sense I got my first 60gb Plextor. I'll never go back
to spinners. Spinners are good for two things. Media storage and backups.
 




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