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  #226  
Old December 27th 17, 12:53 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In article , Wolf K
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as i said then, anyone making such a statement should*not* be writing
software for macs in any form, and i'll extend that now to any software
on any platform.


Another example of context shifting.


nope.

Who the hell said anything about writing software for the Mac? Nobody.
Until now, when you throw it up (pun intended), just to salve your ego.
Look at the Subject, and reread the original post.


*you* provided a link from acronis, a company that is well known for
windows software and now has dabbled with mac software.

that link, which you provided, had some errors, one of which was *so*
major that it indicates that they are completely clueless.

clueless people should not be writing software.
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Old December 27th 17, 01:40 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 18:53:20 -0500, nospam
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

as i said then, anyone making such a statement should*not* be writing
software for macs in any form, and i'll extend that now to any software
on any platform.


Another example of context shifting.


nope.


nonsense.

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  #228  
Old December 27th 17, 01:24 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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In message nospam wrote:
the newton was *way* ahead of its time.


In some ways, it is *still* ahead of its time, 20 years later.

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Old December 27th 17, 01:35 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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nospam wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.


Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities
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Old December 27th 17, 01:48 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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In message Peter Köhlmann wrote:
nospam wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.


Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities


I take it you never used one? Especially not a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1.

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Old December 27th 17, 03:57 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 20:36:15 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:


On 2017-12-26 19:40, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 18:53:20 -0500, nospam
wrote:


In article , Wolf K
wrote:

as i said then, anyone making such a statement should*not* be writing
software for macs in any form, and i'll extend that now to any software
on any platform.

Another example of context shifting.

nope.


nonsense.



I've had enough of nospam, who has undoubted expertise, but hasn't a
clue on how to converse, still less on how to teach. For reasons I
hesitate to speculate about, he wants to assert that he is superior to
anyone who dares to make a comment of any kind.

Besides, it's too easy to poke that anthill, and I'm finding myself
deliberately provoking the poor sod. I don't like myself when I do that.

So goodbye, nospam. I won't see you again unless I see one of your posts
quoted by someone else.




Thank you. I wish everyone else would also killfile him and all the
other trolls.

  #232  
Old December 27th 17, 10:07 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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Lewis wrote:

In message Peter Köhlmann
wrote:
nospam wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.


Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities


I take it you never used one? Especially not a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1.


I tried one for about one day. And was disgusted. Slow as frozen molasses,
and the much tounted "feature" handwriting recognition was completely
useless. This got better much later, but at that time better notebooks were
around
  #233  
Old December 27th 17, 10:23 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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In article , Peter Khlmann
wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.


Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities


I take it you never used one? Especially not a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1.


I tried one for about one day. And was disgusted. Slow as frozen molasses,
and the much tounted "feature" handwriting recognition was completely
useless. This got better much later, but at that time better notebooks were
around


in other words, 'no'.

there wasn't a 'much later' after the 2100 and notebooks are not the
same category.
  #234  
Old December 28th 17, 09:54 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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nospam wrote:

In article , Peter Köhlmann
wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.

Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities

I take it you never used one? Especially not a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1.


I tried one for about one day. And was disgusted. Slow as frozen
molasses, and the much tounted "feature" handwriting recognition was
completely useless. This got better much later, but at that time better
notebooks were around


in other words, 'no'.

there wasn't a 'much later' after the 2100 and notebooks are not the
same category.


In short: You have not tried the Newton when it came out. It was disgusting.
Until Newton OS 2 it was a better doorstop
And yes, Notebooks are another category. They are not useless
  #235  
Old December 28th 17, 02:20 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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In article , Peter Khlmann
wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.

Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities

I take it you never used one? Especially not a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1.


I tried one for about one day. And was disgusted. Slow as frozen
molasses, and the much tounted "feature" handwriting recognition was
completely useless. This got better much later, but at that time better
notebooks were around


in other words, 'no'.

there wasn't a 'much later' after the 2100 and notebooks are not the
same category.


In short: You have not tried the Newton when it came out. It was disgusting.


wrong.

Until Newton OS 2 it was a better doorstop


also wrong

And yes, Notebooks are another category. They are not useless


irrelevant.
  #236  
Old December 28th 17, 03:24 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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In message Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Lewis wrote:


In message Peter Köhlmann
wrote:
nospam wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.


Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities


I take it you never used one? Especially not a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1.


I tried one for about one day. And was disgusted. Slow as frozen molasses,
and the much tounted "feature" handwriting recognition was completely
useless.


Then you never used a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1

This got better much later, but at that time better notebooks were
around


There was no "much later" for the Newton, it was only around for a few
years.


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  #237  
Old December 28th 17, 03:25 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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In message Peter Köhlmann wrote:
nospam wrote:


In article , Peter Köhlmann
wrote:

the newton was *way* ahead of its time.

Translation: It was nearly unuseable. Too far ahead for its limited
capabilities

I take it you never used one? Especially not a 2100 with Newton OS 2.1.


I tried one for about one day. And was disgusted. Slow as frozen
molasses, and the much tounted "feature" handwriting recognition was
completely useless. This got better much later, but at that time better
notebooks were around


in other words, 'no'.

there wasn't a 'much later' after the 2100 and notebooks are not the
same category.


In short: You have not tried the Newton when it came out.


Did, in fact.

It was disgusting.


It was slow and buggy, and it was still amazing and useful. I coveted one
a great deal.

And yes, Notebooks are another category. They are not useless


Many people found the Newton very useful.

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Old December 28th 17, 05:03 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system
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On 2017-12-28, Lewis wrote:
In message Peter Köhlmann wrote:

In short: You have not tried the Newton when it came out.


Did, in fact.

It was disgusting.


It was slow and buggy, and it was still amazing and useful. I coveted one
a great deal.

And yes, Notebooks are another category. They are not useless


Many people found the Newton very useful.


Yup, and still do:

http://newton.splorp.com:8080

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Old December 28th 17, 11:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Lewis
Wed, 13 Dec 2017 02:01:32 GMT
in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In message J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:
In message , Tim
Streater writes:
In article , nospam
wrote:

In article , Jolly Roger
wrote:

On 2017-12-12, Arthur Wood wrote:
guy named Fudman who is very knowledgeable in bimmer engines
so for him to complain means that it's not obvious to all
Macintosh users - but when I
Being knowledgeable about car engines doesn't magically make
him
representative of all Macintosh users. I'm willing to bet most
Mac users know how to rename a file. Anyone who uses all of
the above platforms on a regular basis knows renaming files on
macOS is just as simple as it is on Linux or Windows. Click
the file's name and you are in filename editing mode - simple.

the problem is that he changed the file's extension and hide
extensions is normally on.
the same problem exists on windows but he's too stupid to
realize what the actual problem is and would rather just troll
under yet another nym.

This whole issue is just another bit of fallout from the Windows
nonsense of *requiring* a file extension.

What nonsense might that be? Windows (and DOS) don't require an
extension; OK, they normally _use_ one (and I definitely agree
with all who think hiding them's a bad idea and certainly
shouldn't be the _default_), but there's no _requirement_.


Of course it is a requirement. Quick, go change a .exe to have no
extension and see what happens when you try to run it, Or change
any file with an extension and then try to use it as intended.


Heh. That depends on how you try to 'run' it. If you're trying to do
it via a shell/explorer, etc, you might run into a problem. If you
call it from another program and/or API though, it's going to run,
regardless of the 'extension' you assigned it. As in, you could
rename notepad.exe to just****.1 and execute it from another program
via an api/interrupt (yes, you can) call to just****.1. It will
execute as it should. The OS itself doesn't care about the name of
the file, it's interested in the file's actual contents. Does it have
an MZ header? Does it also have a PE header? If the PE header is
found, it's ignoring the MZ header and marching on. If it can't
locate a PE header for some reason, it'll fallback to executing the
program based on what the MZ header says. 64bit only Windows versions
won't do MZ anymore, but the older stuff still does.


The most obvious example being, I think, the hosts file.


The only example. Or it not only, the one in a million example.


See above.




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  #240  
Old December 28th 17, 11:23 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.windows7.general,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Lewis
Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:47:47 GMT
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In message Char
Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 17:24:34 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
wrote:


In message Paul
wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-12-14 00:24, Your Name wrote:
On 2017-12-14 03:16:11 +0000, Wolf K said:

On 2017-12-13 19:37, Your Name wrote:
[...]
... you can't rely on the OS to do that since a JPEG
image file can
actually be opened in a text editor as the file's data,
even if it's rarely useful to do so.

That's what Open With is for.

Open With is near useless if you don't know what the file
actually is. You'd have to Open With with every app you have
until you found one that could open it properly.

If we're talking about user convenience, I agree, showing a
file's type as part of the filename is very useful. (But IMO a
three-letter extension is too limited). There are many other
useful conventions, eg, in icon design. These are converging
on a common standard.

If we're talking about choosing a program to open a file,
extenions aren't needed. It would be easy to ensure that Open
With offers only programs that can open a given file without
reference to an extension. Just standardise metadata (eg, as a
series of slots, some which must be filled, others for dev or
user options). Easy peasy.

Have a good day,


Windows is not limited to 8.3.

Might not be in Windows 10 (though I think it is)


Nope. I can't remember what happened before XP, but at least with
XP through 10 you can create a filename with 200+ characters in
the extension, as long as you don't exceed the total number of
characters allowed.


Please reread what I said, that file will have an 8.3
representation in the filesystem. This was true in XP and in
Windows 7 and in Windows 8 (Hmm. now I'm not positive about
Windows 8).


Not necessarily. That's provided for backwards compatability and you
can actually turn it off.

I'm not confusing them at all, I am pointing out taht both still
exist, and that the 8.3 name is required.


No, it isn't. It's for backwards compatability with older stuff.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/121007

If you aren't using any programs that depend on the old 8.3 filename
conventions, you don't *really need it*

There's a little more to it than that, but not much. For us
humans, it's been a very long time since we were limited to 8.3
filenames.


Again, reading for comprehension is your friend.

"every file had to conform to 8.3 *AT SOME LEVEL*"


No, actually, they don't.

Enjoy the educational (for you) article. And leave the comprehension
wiseass remarks for someone else. You haven't demonstrated a well
rounded understanding of the concept here, yourself.



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