is "Everything" doing some mining?

I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!

However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
CPU (four apparent cores - I think it's an i3). This applies though I
haven't typed anything new into the search box. Closing the search
window doesn't stop it; however, selecting Exit from the menu that
appears when I right-click on the tray icon does stop it, within a small
number of seconds.

It's consistent - meaning Exit-ing it _always_ stops the 25% and fan, so
I am definite that Everything is the cause; I can't say that running it
always starts the 25% [I just started it again while typing this post,
and it hasn't gone berserk yet - Task Manager shows it sitting there at
00 CPU. It also came up immediately, with the search box showing all
files, i. e. without the few seconds' wait I usually experience when I
start it, so it presumably has some cache somewhere or something.]

I just have a simple system - two partitions on one HD; in particular, I
_don't_ have any network drives.

You might ask what I'm _doing_ when it goes berserk: I can't say it is
always this, but usually downloading a video file or two: I tend to have
Everything open as I use it to see if I've already got a particular file
before starting the download. But once E. has started its berserking,
even if I don't download any more, it doesn't stop 25%ing after the
current download has completed.

If voidtools _are_ doing some mining, I probably wouldn't mind, but I've
just looked at the website - there's no mention of such. Nor anything in
the FAQ about "why is Everything using so much CPU" or similar question.

If not (and I really don't think it is), I'm very puzzled about what it
_is_ doing! I did ask this here before, and I think there were
suggestions about doing a re-index; but I can't see why it should do
that continuously, especially when I'm not doing anything.

[FWIW, for the several minutes since I restarted it a few paragraphs
ago, it _hasn't_ gone above 00 in Task Manager. Maybe that's what I'll
have to do in futu start it, stop it when it goes berserk, then start
it again. But it seems decidedly odd!]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Radio 4 is one of the reasons being British is good. It's not a subset of
Britain - it's almost as if Britain is a subset of Radio 4. - Stephen Fry, in
Radio Times, 7-13 June, 2003.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

|I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
| seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
| amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!
|
| However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
| down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
| Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
| CPU

I don't know about mining, but it does index. You should
be able to check the former by just blocking it from going
out.

I've never tried Everything. I like Agent Ransack. Extremely
fast with no indexing. But if you have "a lot a lot" of stuff and
do a lot of searching, maybe indexing makes sense. For me,
I usually know pretty much where things are. I'm more apt
to do a search like finding which of 30 files in a folder has the
line of text I remember from an article I'm trying to find. Given
that, I think of indexing as wasteful wear and tear on disks.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:51:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!


Ditto to all of the above. I'll just add that I also use Agent Ransack
to find files by content when I need to.


However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
CPU (four apparent cores - I think it's an i3). This applies though I
haven't typed anything new into the search box.


Two points:

It's probably indexing new files.

25% isn't a big deal if nothing less is using much. If you're not
having a performance problem, I wouldn't worry about it; it will
probably go down again shortly.


Closing the search
window doesn't stop it; however, selecting Exit from the menu that
appears when I right-click on the tray icon does stop it, within a small
number of seconds.

It's consistent - meaning Exit-ing it _always_ stops the 25% and fan, so
I am definite that Everything is the cause; I can't say that running it
always starts the 25% [I just started it again while typing this post,
and it hasn't gone berserk yet - Task Manager shows it sitting there at
00 CPU. It also came up immediately, with the search box showing all
files, i. e. without the few seconds' wait I usually experience when I
start it, so it presumably has some cache somewhere or something.]

I just have a simple system - two partitions on one HD; in particular, I
_don't_ have any network drives.

You might ask what I'm _doing_ when it goes berserk: I can't say it is
always this, but usually downloading a video file or two: I tend to have
Everything open as I use it to see if I've already got a particular file
before starting the download. But once E. has started its berserking,
even if I don't download any more, it doesn't stop 25%ing after the
current download has completed.

If voidtools _are_ doing some mining, I probably wouldn't mind, but I've
just looked at the website - there's no mention of such. Nor anything in
the FAQ about "why is Everything using so much CPU" or similar question.

If not (and I really don't think it is), I'm very puzzled about what it
_is_ doing! I did ask this here before, and I think there were
suggestions about doing a re-index; but I can't see why it should do
that continuously, especially when I'm not doing anything.

[FWIW, for the several minutes since I restarted it a few paragraphs
ago, it _hasn't_ gone above 00 in Task Manager. Maybe that's what I'll
have to do in futu start it, stop it when it goes berserk, then start
it again. But it seems decidedly odd!]

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 08:43:26 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:51:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!


Ditto to all of the above. I'll just add that I also use Agent Ransack
to find files by content when I need to.


However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
CPU (four apparent cores - I think it's an i3). This applies though I
haven't typed anything new into the search box.


Two points:

It's probably indexing new files.

25% isn't a big deal if nothing less is using much. If you're not


Ugh! That should be "nothing else" not "nothing less ."


having a performance problem, I wouldn't worry about it; it will
probably go down again shortly.


Closing the search
window doesn't stop it; however, selecting Exit from the menu that
appears when I right-click on the tray icon does stop it, within a small
number of seconds.

It's consistent - meaning Exit-ing it _always_ stops the 25% and fan, so
I am definite that Everything is the cause; I can't say that running it
always starts the 25% [I just started it again while typing this post,
and it hasn't gone berserk yet - Task Manager shows it sitting there at
00 CPU. It also came up immediately, with the search box showing all
files, i. e. without the few seconds' wait I usually experience when I
start it, so it presumably has some cache somewhere or something.]

I just have a simple system - two partitions on one HD; in particular, I
_don't_ have any network drives.

You might ask what I'm _doing_ when it goes berserk: I can't say it is
always this, but usually downloading a video file or two: I tend to have
Everything open as I use it to see if I've already got a particular file
before starting the download. But once E. has started its berserking,
even if I don't download any more, it doesn't stop 25%ing after the
current download has completed.

If voidtools _are_ doing some mining, I probably wouldn't mind, but I've
just looked at the website - there's no mention of such. Nor anything in
the FAQ about "why is Everything using so much CPU" or similar question.

If not (and I really don't think it is), I'm very puzzled about what it
_is_ doing! I did ask this here before, and I think there were
suggestions about doing a re-index; but I can't see why it should do
that continuously, especially when I'm not doing anything.

[FWIW, for the several minutes since I restarted it a few paragraphs
ago, it _hasn't_ gone above 00 in Task Manager. Maybe that's what I'll
have to do in futu start it, stop it when it goes berserk, then start
it again. But it seems decidedly odd!]

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

|I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
| seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
| amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!
|
| However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
| down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
| Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
| CPU

I don't know about mining, but it does index. You should
be able to check the former by just blocking it from going
out.

You're right - I'd forgotten I have an indication (both graphical and
audible) (both directions) of net traffic, and that's silent, so it
isn't mining. I didn't think it was, really. (Though would mining
involve a lot of net traffic, or just a bit to fetch and a bit to return
the results?)

I've never tried Everything. I like Agent Ransack. Extremely
fast with no indexing. But if you have "a lot a lot" of stuff and
do a lot of searching, maybe indexing makes sense. For me,
I usually know pretty much where things are. I'm more apt
to do a search like finding which of 30 files in a folder has the
line of text I remember from an article I'm trying to find. Given
that, I think of indexing as wasteful wear and tear on disks.

They're different purposes: Everything works on filenames, Agent Ransack
on file contents. I don't think Everything - because of the way it
works, which I don't understand, but it's something to do with NTFS, I
think - _does_ hammer the disc. I use it mostly - but not exclusively -
when I want to ask myself "have I already downloaded a file with x
[often a serial number] in its name".

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

WANTED, Dead AND Alive: Schrodinger's Cat

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 08:43:26 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 13:51:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!


Ditto to all of the above. I'll just add that I also use Agent Ransack
to find files by content when I need to.

I have it, but rarely use it. But yes, it's the go-to for content search

However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
CPU (four apparent cores - I think it's an i3). This applies though I
haven't typed anything new into the search box.


Two points:

It's probably indexing new files.

Weird. In the two hours since my previous post, it hasn't gone berserk
at all - certainly the fan hasn't spun up beyond idle, and when I look
at it in Task Manager, it's still at 00.

25% isn't a big deal if nothing less is using much. If you're not


Ugh! That should be "nothing else" not "nothing less ."

(I didn't notice it!)

having a performance problem, I wouldn't worry about it; it will
probably go down again shortly.

Well, I wouldn't think so either, but it _does_ bring the fan up from
idle, which is distracting noise-wise - and, if Toshiba's designers
think it needs that to happen, I presume it's heating up the processor
at least somewhat. I don't notice any performance hit (but then most of
the time I'm not doing processor-intensive things anyway). I've tried
leaving it for several minutes, and it _doesn't_ go back down once it's
started doing it. What do you mean by "indexing new files"? I don't
_think_ I've usually added many since last time it happened; even if
that includes all the ones the OS is adding/deleting all the time, I
can't see it would be _that_ much work. Especially as, when I start
Everything from cold after a restart, it _does_ take a few tens of
seconds before filling the search window, so I assume it's doing some
indexing then - but, only for a few tens of seconds, and it does settle
down. I can't think what it could be doing indefinitely, or why it
should start sometime _after_ being started.

Closing the search
window doesn't stop it; however, selecting Exit from the menu that
appears when I right-click on the tray icon does stop it, within a small
number of seconds.

It's consistent - meaning Exit-ing it _always_ stops the 25% and fan, so
I am definite that Everything is the cause; I can't say that running it
always starts the 25% [I just started it again while typing this post,
and it hasn't gone berserk yet - Task Manager shows it sitting there at
00 CPU. It also came up immediately, with the search box showing all
files, i. e. without the few seconds' wait I usually experience when I
start it, so it presumably has some cache somewhere or something.]

I just have a simple system - two partitions on one HD; in particular, I
_don't_ have any network drives.

You might ask what I'm _doing_ when it goes berserk: I can't say it is
always this, but usually downloading a video file or two: I tend to have
Everything open as I use it to see if I've already got a particular file
before starting the download. But once E. has started its berserking,
even if I don't download any more, it doesn't stop 25%ing after the
current download has completed.

If voidtools _are_ doing some mining, I probably wouldn't mind, but I've
just looked at the website - there's no mention of such. Nor anything in
the FAQ about "why is Everything using so much CPU" or similar question.

If not (and I really don't think it is), I'm very puzzled about what it
_is_ doing! I did ask this here before, and I think there were
suggestions about doing a re-index; but I can't see why it should do
that continuously, especially when I'm not doing anything.

[FWIW, for the several minutes since I restarted it a few paragraphs
ago, it _hasn't_ gone above 00 in Task Manager. Maybe that's what I'll
have to do in futu start it, stop it when it goes berserk, then start
it again. But it seems decidedly odd!]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

WANTED, Dead AND Alive: Schrodinger's Cat

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| You're right - I'd forgotten I have an indication (both graphical and
| audible) (both directions) of net traffic, and that's silent, so it
| isn't mining. I didn't think it was, really. (Though would mining
| involve a lot of net traffic, or just a bit to fetch and a bit to return
| the results?)

It seems to be flexible. I imagine something could download
a chunk to chew on, but micro-mining is being done on
webpages by just running client-side script while you're
visiting. That's even been talked about as a possible income
model for commercial sites. So it must be feasible to do tiny
bits efficiently.

| They're different purposes: Everything works on filenames, Agent Ransack
| on file contents.

AR is both. I got it because it *can* search file content.
But it also does file name search very fast. I use both
functions. But I just don't have as many files as most
people seem to. And I organize them. So I don't need
to search so much for file names.

| I don't think Everything - because of the way it
| works, which I don't understand, but it's something to do with NTFS, I
| think - _does_ hammer the disc. I use it mostly - but not exclusively -
| when I want to ask myself "have I already downloaded a file with x
| [often a serial number] in its name".

I'm surprised it needs to index if it doesn't do
content search. Can it actually be faster to search
its own list than to search the file system?

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:18:47 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

[]
Especially as, when I start
Everything from cold after a restart, it _does_ take a few tens of
seconds before filling the search window, so I assume it's doing some
indexing then - but, only for a few tens of seconds, and it does settle
down. I can't think what it could be doing indefinitely, or why it
should start sometime _after_ being started.

I think you've hit upon a big clue. If it's taking tens of seconds to
initially fill the results window, you probably don't have it configured
to start with Windows. In addition to that, I always configure it to run
as a service, but I think not having it start with Windows is the most
likely culprit in your case.

You can check those settings in Tools, Options, General.

--

Char Jackson

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| They're different purposes: Everything works on filenames, Agent Ransack
| on file contents.

I got curious and checked out their FAQ. They say it
can search content but that the default usage is really
something like Windows Explorer with filtering. It displays
everything on the system, then filters as you type.

It seems to record file changes in the background,
then updates its database every time it's run. It also
says you can adjust settings to make it simpler. If
you only need names and not file sizes, dates, etc then
you can skip that.

The overall design doesn't make much sense to me,
but to be honest, I've mainly avoided it because 1) Agent
Ransack is so good and 2) the name "Everything" is just to
ridiculous and confusing.

Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!

However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
CPU

I don't know about mining, but it does index. You should
be able to check the former by just blocking it from going
out.

I've never tried Everything. I like Agent Ransack. Extremely
fast with no indexing. But if you have "a lot a lot" of stuff and
do a lot of searching, maybe indexing makes sense. For me,
I usually know pretty much where things are. I'm more apt
to do a search like finding which of 30 files in a folder has the
line of text I remember from an article I'm trying to find. Given
that, I think of indexing as wasteful wear and tear on disks.

I use an older version of FileLocator Pro, the big brother to Agent Ransack,
which has a lot more options, like excluding directories from searches,
which I find very advantageous. But it's not free, and unfortunately, has
gotten a bit pricey over the years. But the option to exclude directories
from searches greatly speeds up finding things, especially since I'm not
using any indexing, by choice.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!

However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
CPU (four apparent cores - I think it's an i3). This applies though I
haven't typed anything new into the search box. Closing the search
window doesn't stop it; however, selecting Exit from the menu that
appears when I right-click on the tray icon does stop it, within a small
number of seconds.

It's consistent - meaning Exit-ing it _always_ stops the 25% and fan, so
I am definite that Everything is the cause; I can't say that running it
always starts the 25% [I just started it again while typing this post,
and it hasn't gone berserk yet - Task Manager shows it sitting there at
00 CPU. It also came up immediately, with the search box showing all
files, i. e. without the few seconds' wait I usually experience when I
start it, so it presumably has some cache somewhere or something.]

I just have a simple system - two partitions on one HD; in particular, I
_don't_ have any network drives.

You might ask what I'm _doing_ when it goes berserk: I can't say it is
always this, but usually downloading a video file or two: I tend to have
Everything open as I use it to see if I've already got a particular file
before starting the download. But once E. has started its berserking,
even if I don't download any more, it doesn't stop 25%ing after the
current download has completed.

If voidtools _are_ doing some mining, I probably wouldn't mind, but I've
just looked at the website - there's no mention of such. Nor anything in
the FAQ about "why is Everything using so much CPU" or similar question.

If not (and I really don't think it is), I'm very puzzled about what it
_is_ doing! I did ask this here before, and I think there were
suggestions about doing a re-index; but I can't see why it should do
that continuously, especially when I'm not doing anything.

[FWIW, for the several minutes since I restarted it a few paragraphs
ago, it _hasn't_ gone above 00 in Task Manager. Maybe that's what I'll
have to do in futu start it, stop it when it goes berserk, then start
it again. But it seems decidedly odd!]

My Everything 1.2.1.371 does not attempt to call home.
It is set to load at system startup and run in background.
"check for updates on startup" is NOT checked.
"unload db when inactive" is NOT checked.
It ties up 24.3 Mb when idle though.

In alt.windows7.general, on Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:07:29 +0000, "J. P.
Gilliver (John)" wrote:


They're different purposes: Everything works on filenames, Agent Ransack
on file contents. I don't think Everything - because of the way it
works, which I don't understand, but it's something to do with NTFS, I
think - _does_ hammer the disc. I use it mostly - but not exclusively -
when I want to ask myself "have I already downloaded a file with x
[often a serial number] in its name".

I have Ransack but don't it because I really don't look for text in a
file. (But it was good to learn what the word ransack meant. I thought
it just meant to tear everyhing up. I didn't know it meant for the
purpose of finding something.

One should read the help file or whatever for Everything. It is capable
of a lot. For example, if there were a file with the same anme as
John's email address above, C:\ jp 55 uk would be a way to search for
it. It's more powerful than that, but I can't recall all that it can
do.

In message , Mayayana
writes:
[Everything]
I'm surprised it needs to index if it doesn't do
content search. Can it actually be faster to search
its own list than to search the file system?

I think maybe it _does_ search the file system; certainly, when you are
typing in the part filename you are looking for, it seems to amend the
list it's presenting to you with each character you type, even at normal
typing speed.

Go on, give it a try - you can always uninstall it. (And I agree,
Everything is a confusing name!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Farc gorillas who live in the plains of the undies ..." - automatic
subtitling seen on BBC one o'clock news, 2016-8-25, by Cynthia Hollingworth.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

I used to open "Everything" and then leave it running. It takes a few
seconds to open, then settles down; I can use it, and it finds things
amazingly fast. It is an excellent utility!

However, of late: some minutes after I've opened it and all has settled
down, I hear my fan spin up (it is normally idling), and I start Task
Manager to see what's using CPU - and I see Everything.exe is using 25%
CPU

I don't know about mining, but it does index. You should
be able to check the former by just blocking it from going
out.

You're right - I'd forgotten I have an indication (both graphical and
audible) (both directions) of net traffic, and that's silent, so it
isn't mining. I didn't think it was, really. (Though would mining
involve a lot of net traffic, or just a bit to fetch and a bit to return
the results?)

I've never tried Everything. I like Agent Ransack. Extremely
fast with no indexing. But if you have "a lot a lot" of stuff and
do a lot of searching, maybe indexing makes sense. For me,
I usually know pretty much where things are. I'm more apt
to do a search like finding which of 30 files in a folder has the
line of text I remember from an article I'm trying to find. Given
that, I think of indexing as wasteful wear and tear on disks.

They're different purposes: Everything works on filenames, Agent Ransack
on file contents. I don't think Everything - because of the way it
works, which I don't understand, but it's something to do with NTFS, I
think - _does_ hammer the disc. I use it mostly - but not exclusively -
when I want to ask myself "have I already downloaded a file with x
[often a serial number] in its name".

You don't need to use Agent Ransack to look for text in a file. It works
great for just finding files by file name or file date, and without needing
indexing. So it seems to me they can serve similar purposes, except that I
don't want indexing, and if that's required for Everything, I myself
wouldn't use it. The only exception to this I can see is if I had a HUGE
database that needed to be searched frequently.

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:18:47 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

[]
Especially as, when I start
Everything from cold after a restart, it _does_ take a few tens of
seconds before filling the search window, so I assume it's doing some
indexing then - but, only for a few tens of seconds, and it does settle
down. I can't think what it could be doing indefinitely, or why it
should start sometime _after_ being started.

I think you've hit upon a big clue. If it's taking tens of seconds to
initially fill the results window, you probably don't have it configured
to start with Windows. In addition to that, I always configure it to run

I don't; the few tens of seconds are not a problem when I want it, and
only need to happen once. Doesn't explain why, after the initial burst
of activity, and it then settling down to 00 CPU (in Task Manager, i. e.
less than 1%) for many minutes, it should somehow go back to 24-25%,
indefinitely.

as a service, but I think not having it start with Windows is the most
likely culprit in your case.

If it _stayed_ at the initial level, sure. But the fact that it stays
more or less dormant after that _then_ takes off makes me doubt that
idea.


You can check those settings in Tools, Options, General.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Farc gorillas who live in the plains of the undies ..." - automatic
subtitling seen on BBC one o'clock news, 2016-8-25, by Cynthia Hollingworth.