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After I posted my first message I noticed FF looked odd
All my folders are missing the yellow. https://postimg.cc/G8kzWj3W I just heard my hd spinning down again. Is that normal? Robert |
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Ah it was probably the CD but FF looks weird now
probably because I started the procedure and need to finish it. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
Ah it was probably the CD but FF looks weird now probably because I started the procedure and need to finish it. Robert Firefox may have updated to Firefox 89, with different icons which lack color. Paul |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I went to change the boot order but the first time the arrow keys wouldn't respond so tried again and the second time they did although didn't change the boot order per say but allowed me to select CD/DVD. I clicked fix boot problems but it didn't have the (4) check boxes the last time we did this. I got as far as selecting which partition it boots from. I know it isn't C: and I think it's D: (already checked) but not sure if its FAT32 or not? So I'd rather check with you first to make sure before proceeding. https://postimg.cc/rRscnzMt https://postimg.cc/8JKg6DMk https://postimg.cc/hf7Rfkjg https://postimg.cc/JyMfYtQ4 I did put ice on it then iodine then bandaged it. When I put the iodine on it, Oh boy. It feels allot better now. The home is also very cool. The mini-split systems (Klimaire) are great and good for the computers too. Robert The "D:" mentioned in one of the pictures is OK, because they're asking you to select the "Active" partition. Which is the partition with the 0x80 Boot Flag. That's the partition that has the boot menu, and is used early in the boot process. It switches over to C: (selected in one of the other screens), as a later step. So nothing wrong there right now. Paul |
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![]() I completed the Rescue CD and checked FF is up to date with 89.0 so I guess your right, this is the new look. https://postimg.cc/7Cqrdn2j https://postimg.cc/xcHrd4GW https://postimg.cc/Y4dZVKkm https://postimg.cc/34668Xk8 https://postimg.cc/KRtVbgxb Thoughts/suggestions? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I completed the Rescue CD and checked FF is up to date with 89.0 so I guess your right, this is the new look. https://postimg.cc/7Cqrdn2j https://postimg.cc/xcHrd4GW https://postimg.cc/Y4dZVKkm https://postimg.cc/34668Xk8 https://postimg.cc/KRtVbgxb Thoughts/suggestions? Robert That should make it so the disk boots with its own resources. And the values seem consistent with what I remember of the Disk Management picture. Should be ready to boot. Paul |
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I tried testing #3 to see if it accepts the external #4 hd
but it doesn't. https://postimg.cc/yDnDNHRN https://postimg.cc/v1kH1HZG https://postimg.cc/vDWHByFd Do I need to insert #4 drive in the 8500 and do the same repair boot menu procedure I did with #3? Robert |
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![]() By the way I also noticed how the bookmarks have changed to just a star like it use to be. I don't like this washed out look of Ver 89.0 AlsoI seem to have lost my VLC player and I don't have a download link for it. Could you please provide one? Thanks, Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I tried testing #3 to see if it accepts the external #4 hd but it doesn't. https://postimg.cc/yDnDNHRN https://postimg.cc/v1kH1HZG https://postimg.cc/vDWHByFd Do I need to insert #4 drive in the 8500 and do the same repair boot menu procedure I did with #3? Robert When you clone an entire disk, Macrium is supposed to already use random numbers for identifiers that can get confused with the original. To see what impact your two disks have on one another, a picture of Disk Management is a good idea. And then checking the new row, to see if it is in "Offline" state, because the DiskID in the MBR happens to be identical. When you use the Macrium boot repair, it can repair the MBR, the PBR, some of the boot menu materials (rebuild BCD) and so on. I don't particularly see that as changing an identifier that "makes the disk magically work", but maybe it does. I would hope some hint of what was wrong, was announcing itself (somehow) via Disk Management. Maybe it's just overlapping disk letters caused by the 4-in-1 card reader on the 8500 ? It could be, it tries to open the "C" of the new disk as "E" and "E" is taken by the card reader (E,F,G,H?). I wish I could remember the setting to make those drive letters disappear until media is present, as that would eliminate one more cause of uncertainty. Paul |
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Robert in CA wrote:
By the way I also noticed how the bookmarks have changed to just a star like it use to be. I don't like this washed out look of Ver 89.0 AlsoI seem to have lost my VLC player and I don't have a download link for it. Could you please provide one? Thanks, Robert https://www.videolan.org/ "Download VLC" in powder blue Version 3.0.14 Windows You can use the x64 one if you want. Paul |
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Here's the Disk Management in the 8500:
#3 hd https://postimg.cc/nj3vVyvt original hd https://postimg.cc/xXGN1r2F but I don't see how I can compare #4hd if it won't connect other than to put inside the 8500 itself? I also have the unknown hd which may or may not work in the 8500 or 780. I think at this point we could try putting in #4 in the 8500 and run the Rescue CD and repair its boot menu if possible because you said every hd I attached after I changed the battery would be corrupted. If that doesn't work I suggest we try the unknown hd in both computers to check it. Starting with the 8500. I just find it hard to believe changing the battery caused all this and stopped our cloning dead in it's tracks after all the work we've already done. Thanks for the VLC link, Thoughts/suggestions Robert |
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I just compared both Disk Managements and the partitions
don't match! I think we need to put the original back in to verify the Disk Management but I took it while we were working on Sea Monkey so it should be current. If so then the #3 Partitions need to be changed. I'm not going to have 900GB and unused space! but that still doesn't explain why the external hd isn't connecting. Robert |
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The 8500 hung up again! This time I was simply trying to open a news folder
and it hung up! The screen went opaque with the little busy circle. I tried Ctrl-Alt-Delete to bring up Task Manager but it wouldn't come up. The screen went black and I finally got this message: https://postimg.cc/FYpQDGvB So I ended up pressing the power button and back online now but the 8500 has been acting very strange all during this cloning process which should of been textbook and was until all this. Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
Here's the Disk Management in the 8500: #3 hd https://postimg.cc/nj3vVyvt original hd https://postimg.cc/xXGN1r2F but I don't see how I can compare #4hd if it won't connect other than to put inside the 8500 itself? I also have the unknown hd which may or may not work in the 8500 or 780. I think at this point we could try putting in #4 in the 8500 and run the Rescue CD and repair its boot menu if possible because you said every hd I attached after I changed the battery would be corrupted. If that doesn't work I suggest we try the unknown hd in both computers to check it. Starting with the 8500. I just find it hard to believe changing the battery caused all this and stopped our cloning dead in it's tracks after all the work we've already done. Thanks for the VLC link, Thoughts/suggestions Robert Thanks for taking the time to shoot pictures of those. The #4 disk (the clone) hasn't had the C: partition resized to use up the "Unallocated space" to the right of it. In Disk Management, you can right-click the C: partition and select the option to Expand the volume. Shrink and Expand are built-in functions in Disk Management. This is independent of any other issue at the moment, and can be done when you have the time or inclination to fix it up. ******* If you want to repair the boot menu on #4, you can, but I fail to see how that will affect whatever is bothering the enclosure setup. When the 1TB is booting the computer, and the 2TB is in the enclosure and connected to the USB port, both drives should show up in Disk Management. You say it is not there. I've seen one of your pictures, showing the new drive getting a "driver", and there was a notice in the lower right corner to that effect. When I see that, it means a disk is being recognized somewhere. I'm still not seeing anything that tells me what could be up with the thing. USB enclosures generally should not respond to being plugged in, unless the drive inside the enclosure spins up and the disk identifier string is extracted. At that point, the enclosure chip starts responding to queries from the OS. That's how it's supposed to work. And once we get past that point (the setting up of Endpoints at USB transport level), then soon you would see an entry in Disk Management. Disk Management is a key part of observation, rather than File Explorer. Checking File Explorer is a step after checking Disk Management. First you see an item in Disk Management, but no drive letters will go into File Explorer, unless the item in Disk Management is "Online". The Boot Repair operation in Macrium, might change the GUID of the disk partitions, and the Boot Repair puts the new values in the Boot Menu. But as far as the "seeing the disk contents" goes, the DiskID in the MBR plays a role in that. I don't think Macrium changes the VolumeID in the header of each of the disk partitions. And as far as I know, if two VolumeIDs are equal on the PC, there's no harm done. The sequential assignment of drive letters, helps make each one unique as they're discovered. ******* When Disk Management is open, the USB3 Enclosure will be probably closer to the bottom of the display. That's because E,F,G,H got there first during discovery. You may have to scroll down, to see an item below the D: optical drive. There are various ways to modify the drive lettering of the card reader, but none of them is ideal. One of the ideas, I think it's similar to the DOS "SUBST" command which substitutes a folder for something. You can convert the USB card reader volumes, into folders that sit within a master folder. That's one of the ideas here. But again, not an ideal solution. From Disk Management, if you right clicked the E: one, you could select "Change drive letter" kind of thing, and assign the four drives M,N,O,P and lift the drives up higher. Using the letter Q is not recommended, because that might conflict with a features used by Microsoft Office years ago. https://superuser.com/questions/3421...drives-letters Summary: You can Boot Repair the new drive if you feel like it. I'm not convinced this will improve the behavior. Perhaps the behavior is related to the USB card reader, but I thought part of that was interference with network shares rather than with other USB storage devices like the enclosure. Make sure to scroll down in Disk Management and make sure you can see everything. Disk Management seldom makes good usage of display space when it renders. Paul |
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Robert in CA wrote:
I just compared both Disk Managements and the partitions don't match! I think we need to put the original back in to verify the Disk Management but I took it while we were working on Sea Monkey so it should be current. If so then the #3 Partitions need to be changed. I'm not going to have 900GB and unused space! but that still doesn't explain why the external hd isn't connecting. Robert I think it *is* connecting. You need to scroll down the Disk Management display and check for the existence of that external drive. I can see from the condition of the scroll bar, an item is below the optical drive. Then check on the left, whether it is Online or not. Once Online, only then will the drive letter(s) from such an external drive attempt to show up. During cloning, Macrium should be making sure the new drive has a different DiskID number. Paul |
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