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Old March 20th 17, 01:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
(PeteCresswell)
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.

But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit.

I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like
seventy.

Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that
I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly
upgrades/rental fees or whatever.

Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up
renting it.
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Old March 20th 17, 03:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

PeteCresswell wrote:

I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.


Does the XP version not install on Win7? If it installs, does it fail
to load or function properly on Win7? If the XP version installs and
runs okay on Win7 then why bother to move to a new version? What in the
new version must you have?


But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit.


Intuit no longer owns Quicken. They sold it off back in 2016 to H.I.G.
Capital. Quite often such sales are to software publishers that put
little development into the product and instead just want to add it
their portfolio as a revenue source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.I.G._Capital

I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like
seventy.


See prices WHERE? The seller is who you decide to trust or not. I've
seen sellers that I would not trust.

You do not mention if the $30 price is for a full new version or for an
upgrade version. I'm sure that Quicken has a threshold as to how far
back in version for which they will support upgrades.

https://www.quicken.com/support/how-...uicken-windows

That says Quicken 2013 is not supported so it does not qualify as a base
version against which you can apply an upgrade.

Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that
I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly
upgrades/rental fees or whatever.


Well, if you're engrained to update to the latest version, yes, you'll
be somewhat in a yearly subscription rut because they likely come out
with a new major version every year. Seems they have a new "yearly"
version (see https://www.quicken.com/support/patc...dates-windows).

Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up
renting it.


Depends. Is this for business use? If for personal use, there are free
equivalents for personal finance management; e.g., GnuCash (completely
free, even for business use), AceMoney ($40 unless you get the crippled
Lite version for free which handles only 2 accounts), Mint (an online
money manager).

https://www.quicken.com/support/eula

That lists the EULAs for each version of Quicken. At:

https://www.quicken.com/support/eula/quicken-2017 says:

3. PAYMENT. For Software licensed on a payment or subscription basis,
the following terms apply, unless Quicken notifies you otherwise in
writing.
e. Quicken will automatically renew your monthly, quarterly, or
annual subscription at the then-current rates ...

Assuming you stay within the same Deluxe edition of Quicken and merely
upgrade to a later version:

https://www.quicken.com/personal-fin...en-deluxe-2017

That says the cost (for full version, not upgrade) is $65. I clicked on
"Add to cart" but neither of those pages indicate if you are buying a
lifetime license (with or without minor version upgrades) or buying a
subscription license (and without mention of the duration of a
subscription).

You could simply call them to find out if buying their product gets you
a permanent license (to continually use what-would-eventually-become-
an-old version) or if you would end up buying a subcription (the version
expires at some point in the future). The problem with the term
"subscription" is that it could be for an indefinite term (the product
never expires) or for a definite term (the product expires and you have
to buy a new version). Using "quicken subscription", I found:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/31660...big-catch.html

Don't know where you are. Call them to find out what type of license
you'd end up getting with purchase of a new version of Quicken. When
you call, tell them that it is a pre-sales inquiry (that hints you are
interested in buying their product but want more information).

https://www.quicken.com/support/quicken-order-questions
How do I upgrade my current version of Quicken? What is the upgrade
price?
Each time you purchase Quicken, you're purchasing a full Quicken
version that will convert your existing Quicken file(s). There is
no specific upgrade, or upgrade pricing, for Quicken, though we do
offer periodic purchase discounts to our customers. For example, if
you have Quicken Deluxe 2016 and want to upgrade to Quicken Deluxe
2017, you'll purchase a full version of Quicken Deluxe 2017 at the
current price.

So there is no upgrade pricing.
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Old March 20th 17, 03:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
dave
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:51:11 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.

But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit.

I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like
seventy.

Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that
I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly
upgrades/rental fees or whatever.

Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up
renting it.


I switched over to GnuCash since I run dual Linux/Windows system. GnuCash
will import existing Quicken files. It seems to be business orientated
but handles my home needs just fine. Download and play with it, it's free.
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Old March 20th 17, 06:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:51:11 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.

But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit.

I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like
seventy.

Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that
I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly
upgrades/rental fees or whatever.

Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up
renting it.



See VanguardLH's reply and let me add the following:

For the last several years each new version of Quicken has essentially
no improvements over the previous year's; almost all the changes are
nothing but cosmetic.

So you can continue using an older version forever, unless you want to
use Quicken for one of the following (taken from
https://www.quicken.com/support/quic...ation-policy):

Online bill pay
Downloading financial data from your bank, credit union, credit
card, brokerage, 401(k) or mutual fund accounts
Downloading stock quotes, news headlines and other financial
information into Quicken
Uploading portfolio information from Quicken to Quicken.com
Live Support
Software patches and updates


If you want to use it for one or more of those things, you need to
upgrade at least every three years. I use it for the first three of
those things, so I typically upgrade it every other year or so.

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Old March 20th 17, 06:39 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

On 20/03/2017 00:51, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.

But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit.

I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like
seventy.

Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that
I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly
upgrades/rental fees or whatever.

Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up
renting it.


Why upgrade? I'm still running Quicken Deluxe 98 which came free on the
cover disk of a computer magazine - and which pre-dates XP!, It works
perfectly well on W7. Oh, I did get a free update to avoid any
millennium bug problems (remember that?).

Others have mentioned GnuCash which is totally free and runs on multiple
platforms. I had already started to have a serious look at that because
I'm helping a Mac-using friend to set up some accounts. In many ways it
looks similar to Quicken, but approaches some things - such as
'Categories' - differently, so I need to get my head round that, but
it's looking very promising.

Well worth considering as an alternative to Quicken if you're worried
about annual licence fees.
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Old March 20th 17, 07:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
PeterC
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:08:43 -0000 (UTC), dave wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:51:11 -0400, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.

But based on past experience, I do not particularly trust Intuit.

I see prices around $30 for the product - whose list is more like
seventy.

Are there any Gotchas here? .... First thing that comes to mind is that
I'm going to install it and find out that it needs yearly
upgrades/rental fees or whatever.

Bottom Line: Do I pay my money and get an app? Or will I wind up
renting it.


I switched over to GnuCash since I run dual Linux/Windows system. GnuCash
will import existing Quicken files. It seems to be business orientated
but handles my home needs just fine. Download and play with it, it's free.


Just been trying MoneyPlus, but haven't yet got to grips with it.
Blocked it from getting out to the 'net, same as I did with Qicken. I'm
currently using Q 2004 wot I got FOC. OK, it insists on being in dollars and
I can't change tat, but it doesn't really matter.
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Old March 21st 17, 01:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

Wolf K wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Intuit no longer owns Quicken.


Around 2011 or 2012, Quicken announced it would require a yearly fee for
"upgrades". The treasurer of our club stopped using Quicken.


But does that disable the existing old version of Quicken? You don't
need upgrades if the product is working. However, part of Quicken is
their online services and that's probably where the "subscription" part
comes in; that is, you don't get to indefinitely continue using their
online resources. I'd have to review Quicken to find out just what
constitutes their online services and whether I'd even want those.
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Old March 22nd 17, 02:04 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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Default Quicken Delux 2017: Conventional Licensing?

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:55:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
PeteCresswell wrote:

I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.


Does the XP version not install on Win7? If it installs, does it fail
to load or function properly on Win7? If the XP version installs and
runs okay on Win7 then why bother to move to a new version? What in the
new version must you have?


Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there
are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest.



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Old March 22nd 17, 03:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Sam E[_2_]
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On 03/21/2017 08:04 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

[snip]

Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there
are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest.


Very true. Currently I find Windows 10 to be a good example.


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Old March 22nd 17, 05:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 22/03/2017 14:26, Sam E wrote:
On 03/21/2017 08:04 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

[snip]

Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there
are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest.


Very true. Currently I find Windows 10 to be a good example.



Indeed. When you see "New, improved" on - for example - a packet of
breakfast cereal, you know they've found a cheaper way of making it, and
it won't be as good as the previous packet!
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Old March 23rd 17, 09:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:04:33 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:55:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
PeteCresswell wrote:

I'm finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade from the XP version.


Does the XP version not install on Win7? If it installs, does it fail
to load or function properly on Win7? If the XP version installs and
runs okay on Win7 then why bother to move to a new version? What in the
new version must you have?


Well said. "Latest and greatest" may not be an oxymoron, but there
are plenty of cases where latest is not greatest.


Windows 10 is the New Coke of operating systems.

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http://BrownMath.com/
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Old March 23rd 17, 02:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 03/23/2017 03:49 AM, Stan Brown wrote:

[snip]

Windows 10 is the New Coke of operating systems.


I have heard that "New Coke" was made bad on purpose, so people wouldn't
notice that "Coke Classic" is actually not as good as the original.
Maybe that'll be true with Windows (Windows 11 MIGHT be good, but
probably not).

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