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What is/are "Groove"?
On 05/10/2018 01:30, Brian Gregory wrote:
OneDrive for Business (part of Office 2016 Pro Plus and maybe other Office versions too) uses Groove as an internal name and probably uses files with Groove in the name. I got rid of it, and some other parts of Office 2016 Pro Plus that I have no interest in using the Office 2016 Deployment Tool. But it's not simple to use. Sorry forgot link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49117 -- Brian Gregory (in England). |
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What is/are "Groove"?
In message , Brian
Gregory writes: On 05/10/2018 01:30, Brian Gregory wrote: OneDrive for Business (part of Office 2016 Pro Plus and maybe other Office versions too) uses Groove as an internal name and probably uses files with Groove in the name. I got rid of it, and some other parts of Office 2016 Pro Plus that I have no interest in using the Office 2016 Deployment Tool. But it's not simple to use. Sorry forgot link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49117 For others who might have been confused, as I was: Brian's link is to the Office Deployment Tool, not to notes on how to get rid of anything. (On the whole, IME Microsoft rarely produce notes on how to remove anything - though occasionally they do and do it well, as in the case of the "how to remove Office manually" which someone - Mayayana or VanguardLH* I think - posted a link to earlier in this thread. That was very comprehensive - down to registry keys, folder names, and so on.) (*VanguardLH - I've been wondering for ages: what is the origin of "VanguardLH"?) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Won't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you. -Richard |
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What is/are "Groove"?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
(*VanguardLH - I've been wondering for ages: what is the origin of "VanguardLH"?) I first used my legal (given) name as my nym. However, that was not unique to find just my posts by my nym. Trying to search on me resulted in finding way too many others with the same name. I wasn't try to hide in Usenet (and still am not), or trying to hide in a crowd, or trying to dodge anyone's kill filters. In fact, I liked when NNTP providers used to add tracking headers that were unique to the poster: regardless of nymshifting, they could be identified by their account at an NNTP provider by looking at a header (typically a non-overview header), like X-Authenticated-User or X-UserIDNumber. Then NNTP providers gradually became more anonymizing to their posters. When I used to play the Thief stealth games and participated in its web-based forums, I had a gamer nym of Vanguard. I simply moved my gamer nym into Usenet. As the number of newsgroups enlarged that I inhabited (I was subscribed up to 52 at one point), I hit one where someone already used that nym. To be polite to the that poster and prevent confusion in identities, I simply added my first and lastname initials. My legal name is worthless as a unique Internet identity. I've not yet found anyone else using VanguardLH. If someone starts, I've had that nym for a couple decades and they would be the one that is rude by stepping on mine. You'll notice I add other headers to even more identify my posts. If someone wants to plonk me, they definitely have more than enough ammo with a neverchanging nym and e-mail address in the From header along with using the other headers (if their newsreader can include testing on non-overview headers). If someone filters on me, it's very likely I am not interested in any reply they might've otherwise made to my posts. I'm not desparate to see every article. So, are you going to next ask me why I use as my e-mail address? Clue: LH is not a valid [cc]TLD. |
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What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH
In message , VanguardLH
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: (*VanguardLH - I've been wondering for ages: what is the origin of "VanguardLH"?) Thanks for the following explanation! I first used my legal (given) name as my nym. However, that was not unique to find just my posts by my nym. Trying to search on me resulted in finding way too many others with the same name. I wasn't try to hide in Usenet (and still am not), or trying to hide in a crowd, or trying to dodge anyone's kill filters. In fact, I liked when NNTP providers used to add tracking headers that were unique to the poster: regardless of nymshifting, they could be identified by their account at an NNTP provider by looking at a header (typically a non-overview header), like X-Authenticated-User or X-UserIDNumber. Then NNTP providers gradually became more anonymizing to their posters. And we all know one particular nymshifter, don't we! (I'm not going to give his current name or he'll just shift again, and I'll have to set new kill rules again.) When I used to play the Thief stealth games and participated in its web-based forums, I had a gamer nym of Vanguard. I simply moved my gamer nym into Usenet. As the number of newsgroups enlarged that I inhabited (I was subscribed up to 52 at one point), I hit one where someone already used that nym. To be polite to the that poster and prevent confusion in identities, I simply added my first and lastname initials. Ah, I see. My legal name is worthless as a unique Internet identity. I've not yet (I was fortunate in already having an amateur ("ham") radio callsign, which was both short and world-unique. [It also happens to contain my initials: that's not coincidence, the UK authorities let you select a call, you just had to wait for it to come up, i. e. they wouldn't issue it early; they happened to be on the Js when I passed, so I only had to wait a relatively short time - couple of weeks or months - for it.]) found anyone else using VanguardLH. If someone starts, I've had that nym for a couple decades and they would be the one that is rude by stepping on mine. You'll notice I add other headers to even more identify my posts. If someone wants to plonk me, they definitely have (I hadn't, actually.) more than enough ammo with a neverchanging nym and e-mail address in the From header along with using the other headers (if their newsreader can include testing on non-overview headers). If someone filters on me, it's very likely I am not interested in any reply they might've otherwise made to my posts. I'm not desparate to see every article. So, are you going to next ask me why I use as my e-mail address? Clue: LH is not a valid [cc]TLD. So you don't get spam to it. I've been fortunate in never having had much spam to even my old domain - @soft255.demon.co.uk; since I registered the new one a year or two ago, I don't think I've had _any_; if I have, I've had three or four total in that time. Despite having used my real domain on usenet. I _do_ however find VanguardLH a bit clumsy to type - do you have a preferred short form? I notice some people just say Vanguard. (I think I've sometimes used VLH.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Find out what works. Then do it. That's my system. I'm always surprised it isn't more popular. - Scott Adams, 2015 |
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[OT] How to change the 'Subject:' (was: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...] As we're talking Usenet, Netiquette, etc. a little tidbit you might not be aware of. Not criticism of any sort, just helpful advice: Subject: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH Also for this, a change of the 'Subject:' line, there is a Usenet 'standard', namely: Subject: New subject (was: Old subject) i.e. specifically: Subject: VanguardLH (was: What is/are "Groove"?) Compliant newsreaders will remove the ' (was: What is/are "Groove"?)' bit from subsequent responses, so it becomes: Subject: VanguardLH Most compliant newsreaders will also recognize/handle local language versions of 'was' and recognize/handle other delimiters than '(' and ')'. In my newsreader - tin -, this part of .tin/tinrc handles all that: # A regular expression that tin will use to find Subject suffixes # which will be removed when replying or posting followup. strip_was_regex=.\(([Ww]a[rs]|[Bb]y[l3]o):.*\)\s*$ Elementary, dear Watson! :-) I hope this is of use to you/anyone. |
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[OT] How to change the 'Subject:' (was: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH)
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [...] As we're talking Usenet, Netiquette, etc. a little tidbit you might not be aware of. Not criticism of any sort, just helpful advice: Subject: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH Also for this, a change of the 'Subject:' line, there is a Usenet 'standard', namely: Subject: New subject (was: Old subject) i.e. specifically: Subject: VanguardLH (was: What is/are "Groove"?) Compliant newsreaders will remove the ' (was: What is/are "Groove"?)' bit from subsequent responses, so it becomes: Subject: VanguardLH Well, I never knew that! Thanks. Bit like the "-- " delimiter. Most compliant newsreaders will also recognize/handle local language versions of 'was' and recognize/handle other delimiters than '(' and ')'. In my newsreader - tin -, this part of .tin/tinrc handles all that: # A regular expression that tin will use to find Subject suffixes # which will be removed when replying or posting followup. strip_was_regex=.\(([Ww]a[rs]|[Bb]y[l3]o):.*\)\s*$ Elementary, dear Watson! :-) I see "was" (English) and "war" (German) in that, and (I think) I can see "by", though no other languages. I hope this is of use to you/anyone. I'll try to remember the format (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Bread is lovely, don't get me wrong. But it's not cake. Or it's rubbish cake. I always thought that bread needed more sugar and some icing. - Sarah Millican (Radio Times 11-17 May 2013) |
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What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 21:05:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: And we all know one particular nymshifter, don't we! (I'm not going to give his current name or he'll just shift again, and I'll have to set new kill rules again.) I never mind if he, or some other troll, shifts again. It takes only a second or two to plonk the new name. Nymshifters shift to foil those who have plonked them, but doing so doesn't work. They waste more of their time shifting than I do replonking. |
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What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH
In message , VanguardLH
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: VanguardLH WROTE: So, are you going to next ask me why I use as my e-mail address? Clue: LH is not a valid [cc]TLD. So you don't get spam to it. I've been fortunate in never having had much spam to even my old domain - @soft255.demon.co.uk; since I registered the new one a year or two ago, I don't think I've had _any_; if I have, I've had three or four total in that time. Despite having used my real domain on usenet. It's legal syntax for an e-mail address. I had problems with an email field in the From header not being valid syntax with some NNTP server I used awhile back but they did not force me to use the e-mail address used to register with their service. I wasn't interested in having my e-mail address harvested by bots or even energize a troll or spammer to target some valid e-mail provider. To be polite, I wasn't going to use an e-mail address that I didn't have, that someone else might get, or inflict spam upon any domain by using a bogus e-mail address at a legit e-mail provider (e.g., Hotmail, Yahoo, etc). I suppose you wanted it to _look_ real, so didn't want to use the ".invalid" tld. [] I eventually decided that I did not want to take offline any discussions started in Usenet. I got rid of the munging, using passphrases, signatures telling humans how to unmunge or using a passphrase, and a special-use account. In a couple decades here, I've only taken offline a couple discussions (about malware where I didn't want to provide any clues to script kiddies to assist them with their ****-shifting). I too have had very few people email me directly in response to a usenet post, despite using my real domain: I'd say between none and four or five a year. (And the ones I do get are frequently ones where someone's hit reply instead of followup, or the machinery in one of the mailinglists-treated-as-newsgroups has gone wrong with the same effect, i. e. a followup came to me as an email.) I _do_ however find VanguardLH a bit clumsy to type - do you have a preferred short form? I notice some people just say Vanguard. (I think I've sometimes used VLH.) Nyms are just strings to help identify someone. You don't have to [] References header to identify the parent post. While vanguard isn't accurate, is is sufficient in most cases as long as some other poster has not already established an identity using that nym. Laziness doesn't excuse impoliteness. VLH is okay, too, again as long as no one in the group has ever used that abbreviation. It would be like me using Gilly or gill in an attribution line when replying to you. Might be sufficient within the context of a discussion and even with the community (newsgroup) where the discussion resides. I don't think I've seen any other Vanguards in the 'groups I see you in. I might just use the before-@ part of your "address" ... [] parenthesis Pete Creswell right parenthesis". E-mail address are also not names, so I lop off the domain (right token) and just leave the username token in the attribution line. When face-to-face, I'm not .... as you suggest. (-: [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Often at work I wish they'd pay me what I'm worth, but sometimes I'm glad they don't. (BrritSki, in uk.media.radio.archers, on 2000-12-25.) |
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What is/are "Groove"?
On 10/5/2018 6:08 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mr. Man-wai Chang writes: [] It's something like iTunes, I believe. And I don't use it! See Vanguard's comprehensive reply a few posts back. It was indeed something like iTunes and other similar music-selling systems; but, in ..... more versions of the Office suite - at least the 2007 one, maybe more. I get the impression that if you don't use that feature of Office (I think it's something to do with collaborative work), you don't need it. In the old days, people don't do presentation with videos, only slides and A4 transparent plastic sheets (damit, forgot about its name) with static content. -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不*錢! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 不求神! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I suppose you wanted it to _look_ real, so didn't want to use the ".invalid" tld. Anyone can program a script (after harvest by bot) to strip the .invalid and cycle through the standard TLDs. By itself, it is insufficient to hide your true e-mail address. I've also seen users try invalid.com without realizing they don't have permission to use that registered domain. They also try example.com. I've seen them use simple munging that is easy to thwart. Remember that I am not trying to hide but instead maintain a Usenet identity. Using .invalid, example.com, nospam.invalid, and other common permutation has me hiding in a crowd (of others doing the same). I don't think I've seen any other Vanguards in the 'groups I see you in. How many newsgroups do you inhabit? I was up to 52 at one time but that doesn't mean always the same newsgroups. I added "LH" so long ago that I don't remember when, and Google made searching their archive useless. I might just use the before-@ part of your "address" ... As I stated before, an e-mail address is not a name. It is, um, an e-mail address. Do you really want people to start calling you "Mister gee six jay pee gee dash two fifty five at two fifty five soft dot you kay"? Would you think it polite to be called G6JPG-255 from the left token of your e-mail address when you obviously specified a more normal nym in the comment field of your From header? How is adding LH more difficult than adding (John) to their attribution line for your nym? My nym is shorter and much simpler than yours. |
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[OT] How to (not) munge an e-mail address. (was: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH)
VanguardLH wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I suppose you wanted it to _look_ real, so didn't want to use the ".invalid" tld. Anyone can program a script (after harvest by bot) to strip the .invalid and cycle through the standard TLDs. By itself, it is insufficient to hide your true e-mail address. '.invalid' is not intended to hide your true e-mail address - which, as you explain, is an exercise in futility -, but to indicate that what's before the '.invalid' is ... drum roll ... not a valid e-mail address, so News clients shouldn't bother trying to e-mail to it. See my 'From:' for an example. This way, one can satisfy the NetNews article format RFQ that a NetNews article should (must?) have an e-mail address, while at the same time not giving a real/valid e-mail address and indicating that fact to the newsreader (the software and the human). So to be compliant with all RFCs you should append '.invalid' to ' '. Your comment that '.lh' is a non-existing TLD is invalid :-), because it's not up to you to (ab)use a TLD which does not exist (yet). Just as it's not up to you to (ab)use any other part of the RHS or LHS. You're only allowed to use an address which is yours (to use). If not, it must have '.invalid' appended to it. Note: I don't mind one bit about that 'infringement', but them's the rules. [...] |
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What is/are "Groove"?
On 10/6/2018 12:47 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
... A4 transparent plastic sheets (damit, forgot about its name) with Figure it out: overhead projector and transparencies! -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不*錢! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 不求神! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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