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No Such Interface Supported
"T" wrote
Char stalks folks and makes fun of folks when they ask dumb questions. Char and Ken and Stan are old-timers who like a sense of pecking order. Like the regulars at the local bar who are there mostly because they're regulars and relish being regulars. They don't like newcomers who haven't paid dues. I think they all block me. Why? Stan got mad because I disagreed with him once several years ago. Ken and Char, I think, got mad about how I was formatting posts. Again, several years ago. Really it was about speaking up without being part of the clique. They're not going to change. There's no reason to concern yourself and no justification for being nasty. If you really want their approval then just post as someone else and say something like, "It's not like the old days when I ran an Amiga and a Commodore 64." They'll both be eating out of your hand for the rest of the month and the thread will go on into the hundreds, until every detail from punchcards to DOS has been rehashed once again.... We're all getting old, I'm afraid. My father used to have a great cartoon on his frig. A man walking with a little boy in Winter. The snow drifts are 3+' high. The boy is maybe 3' high. The caption is the man saying, "This is nothing. When I was a kid the snow was up over our heads." |
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24/7 and keyboard funny
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than others; if I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance that typing will be normal in that (but still come back as odd when I alt-tab back). Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes typing in that has the problem. Ah Ha! That is a hardware issue. Typically it is overheating. Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently in (say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes you definitely classify it as a hardware issue. Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop. If it is not really hot, your have is slow or stopped. I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature readout - currently showing 27) on my vent. And on the bright side, this might be your excuse to get a new laptop with one of the 8 times faster NVMe drive! I still think of this one as my "new" laptop. (It isn't - i3 processor if the sticker is correct. But it's a lot newer than the XP netbook that died.) :-) I could be wrong. Yup (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011 |
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In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 3:50 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: No, but a good guess. It's a laptop, with a reasonable battery - certainly survives the power lead falling out (which it has a tendency to*do). Laptops do come with their own built in UPS'es. One of the many things I like about them. Most of the time I find the batteries dead and the user unwilling to pay for a new one. Does your battery still work? What do you think I meant by "reasonable" above? Also, I am going to say something that will go over a lot of heads (it would be interesting to see if Paul catches it -- his knowledge is encyclopedic), UPS'es (and laptop batteries) do not stop negative power caused by the current / voltage phase shifting caused by inductive surges. I started my working life in an electricity supply switchgear manufacturer, so I know about inductive surges. I just about agree that the cheaper (i. e. most) UPSs, i. e. the type that just pass through the power when it's there, probably don't react fast enough (relay time) to block some supply-line glitches. I don't agree for the sort that are permanently on battery - which includes laptops. Any printers or power tools close by? It is a really long No. shot. My vote is for an uninitialized variable in Windows. Could indeed be. (Though - I have been involved with programming at times - uninitialised variables aren't unique to Windows, of course!) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011 |
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No Such Interface Supported
On 3/5/19 5:23 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote Char stalks folks and makes fun of folks when they ask dumb questions. Char and Ken and Stan are old-timers who like a sense of pecking order. Like the regulars at the local bar who are there mostly because they're regulars and relish being regulars. They don't like newcomers who haven't paid dues. I think they all block me. Why? Stan got mad because I disagreed with him once several years ago. Ken and Char, I think, got mad about how I was formatting posts. Again, several years ago. Really it was about speaking up without being part of the clique. They're not going to change. There's no reason to concern yourself and no justification for being nasty. If you really want their approval then just post as someone else and say something like, "It's not like the old days when I ran an Amiga and a Commodore 64." They'll both be eating out of your hand for the rest of the month and the thread will go on into the hundreds, until every detail from punchcards to DOS has been rehashed once again.... We're all getting old, I'm afraid. I vaguely remember CP/M. I hated punch cards. My father used to have a great cartoon on his frig. A man walking with a little boy in Winter. The snow drifts are 3+' high. The boy is maybe 3' high. The caption is the man saying, "This is nothing. When I was a kid the snow was up over our heads." I have noticed in my over 50 years in electronics that when folks get all arrogant and clubby like that, it is a cover for incompetence. And if you notice closely, they never "actually" help anyone. They remind me of the ass hole TA's (Teachers Assistants) in college "The solution is intuitively obvious and left to the student to solve". (In other words, they did not know themselves.) Folks that really know what they are doing are like compressed bottles of air waiting to explode -- finally someone will understand and listen to me. You can't get them to shut up when they finally get an audience. And they love to help others. Finally they get to share. Oh, my father walked 20 miles to school every day uphill both ways in waist deep snow (the snow level grew every year as he did). Its a generational thing I guess. My grandmother showed me the school out her front door and the drainage ditches he use to ice skate to school on. My dad was really ****ed at my grandmother. Chuckle. Good Times! Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter. --Mark Twain :-) |
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24/7 and keyboard funny
On 3/5/19 6:16 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than others; ifÂ* I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance that typing will beÂ* normal in that (but still come back as odd when I alt-tab back).Â* Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes typing in that has the problem. Ah Ha!Â* That is a hardware issue.Â* Typically it is overheating. Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently in (say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes you definitely classify it as a hardware issue. It depends on how the failure affect different programs. Do you have a PE USB stick you can run your computer off to see if the problem reoccurs? Gardalf makes great one. Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop.Â* If it is not really hot, your have is slow or stopped. I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature readout - currently showing 27) on my vent. Opps, forgot that part. A better test: Speed Fan: http://almico.com/sfdownload.php shows CPU and GPU (Graphics processor) temperatures Then again, if a reboot fixed it and your never power it off to cool down, then it is not a temperature problem. And on the bright side, this might be your excuse to get a new laptop with one of the 8 times faster NVMe drive! I still think of this one as my "new" laptop. (It isn't - i3 processor if the sticker is correct. But it's a lot newer than the XP netbook that died.) I usually double the age my customers tell me their computers are. One customer I started a dates spreadsheet. Eventually she wanted the sheet too so she could check herself. Suddenly two hears old became seven. Chuckle. :-) I could be wrong. Yup (-: What ??!?!?? NEVER!!! Well, maybe sometimes. Intermittents are the biggest pains in the ass to figure out. |
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On 3/5/19 6:30 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: On 3/5/19 3:50 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: No, but a good guess. It's a laptop, with a reasonable battery - certainly survives the power lead falling out (which it has a tendency toÂ*do). Laptops do come with their own built in UPS'es. One of the many things I like about them. Most of the time I find the batteries dead and the user unwilling to pay for a new one.Â* Does your battery still work? What do you think I meant by "reasonable" above? No judgment was meant. I often get told batteries work when the customer has no idea they have failed. I just wanted you to double check. I don't think it is the issue though. I am just covering all the bases. Also, I am going to say something that will go over a lot of heads (it would be interesting to see if Paul catches it -- his knowledge is encyclopedic), UPS'es (and laptop batteries) do not stop negative power caused by the current / voltage phase shifting caused by inductive surges. I started my working life in an electricity supply switchgear manufacturer, so I know about inductive surges. I just about agree that the cheaper (i. e. most) UPSs, i. e. the type that just pass through the power when it's there, probably don't react fast enough (relay time) to block some supply-line glitches. I don't agree for the sort that are permanently on battery - which includes laptops. You are one of the few. More draw a mental picture of two sine wave overlapping each other. Call one voltage and one current. Notice that if you multiply them (wattage) that they are always zero or positive along their path. Now move one over on the graph to simulate an inductive surge. At this point you two negatives and positives during a cycle, giving you negative power spikes per cycle. Sucks the power backwards out of your equipment. Haven't come across a UPS that can handle it yet. Fortunately I have only seen it happen once on a grand scale during a weird power event across a city. EVERY computer rebooted. It was caused by some YUGE grid crossover foul up. Any printers or power tools close by?Â* It is a really long No. shot.Â* My vote is for an uninitialized variable in Windows. Could indeed be. (Though - I have been involved with programming at times - uninitialised variables aren't unique to Windows, of course!) When I wrote in Modula 2, I had to become obsessed with initializing EVERYTHING. I don't have to worry about that anymore in Perl 6. |
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24/7 and keyboard funny
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 6:16 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , T writes: On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than others; if* I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance that typing will be* normal in that (but still come back as odd when I alt-tab back).* Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes typing in that has the problem. Ah Ha!* That is a hardware issue.* Typically it is overheating. Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently in (say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes you definitely classify it as a hardware issue. It depends on how the failure affect different programs. Do I'm not letting you get away with this one. How can my saying the problem appears with different degrees in different programs make you say with such certainty that it's a hardware problem? (If anything, I'd have said it shows the opposite!) you have a PE USB stick you can run your computer off to see if the problem reoccurs? Gardalf makes great one. No I don't. Creating an entire duplicate of my system - Windows, and all the software I use - sounds like a horrendous task. Not to mention the matter of keeping the two in step. Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop.* If it is not really hot, your have is slow or stopped. I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature readout - currently showing 27) on my vent. Opps, forgot that part. A better test: Speed Fan: http://almico.com/sfdownload.php shows CPU and GPU (Graphics processor) temperatures Actually, shows the readouts from whatever temperature sensors it can find. I think. I already have it (4.52), and currently it's showing HD0 39C, Temp1 64C, Core 0 59C, Core 1 58C. (I don't know where Temp1 is.) External sucker is showing 30. Then again, if a reboot fixed it and your never power it off to cool down, then it is not a temperature problem. From the way it behaves, I'm pretty sure it is triggered by user action (though that doesn't mean it isn't a fault). [] I could be wrong. Yup (-: What ??!?!?? NEVER!!! Well, maybe sometimes. (-: Intermittents are the biggest pains in the ass to figure out. In domestic electronics, usually a loose connection. Right pain. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you can't construct a coherent argument for the other side, you probably don't understand your own opinion. - Scott Adams, 2015 |
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On 3/6/19 1:42 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: On 3/5/19 6:16 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , T writes: On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than others; ifÂ* I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance that typing will beÂ* normal in that (but still come back as odd when I alt-tab back).Â* Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes typing in that hasÂ* the problem. Ah Ha!Â* That is a hardware issue.Â* Typically it is overheating. Â*Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently inÂ* (say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes you definitely classify it as a hardware issue. It depends on how the failure affect different programs.Â* Do I'm not letting you get away with this one. How can my saying the problem appears with different degrees in different programs make you say with such certainty that it's a hardware problem? (If anything, I'd have said it shows the opposite!) you have a PE USB stick you can run your computer off to see if the problem reoccurs?Â* Gardalf makes great one. No I don't. Creating an entire duplicate of my system - Windows, and all the software I use - sounds like a horrendous task. Not to mention the matter of keeping the two in step. Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop.Â* If it is not really hot, your have is slow or stopped. Â*I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature readout - currently showing 27) on my vent. Opps, forgot that part. A better test: Speed Fan: Â*Â*Â* http://almico.com/sfdownload.php shows CPU and GPU (Graphics processor) temperatures Actually, shows the readouts from whatever temperature sensors it can find. I think. I already have it (4.52), and currently it's showing HD0 39C, Temp1 64C, Core 0 59C, Core 1 58C. (I don't know where Temp1 is.) External sucker is showing 30. Then again, if a reboot fixed it and your never power it off to cool down, then it is not a temperature problem. From the way it behaves, I'm pretty sure it is triggered by user action (though that doesn't mean it isn't a fault). [] I could be wrong. Yup (-: What ??!?!??Â* NEVER!!!Â* Well, maybe sometimes. (-: Intermittents are the biggest pains in the ass to figure out. In domestic electronics, usually a loose connection. Right pain. At this point until you figure out how to reproduce the issue, I think I should butt out. Too much speculation on my part is not helpful. Sorry I could not have been more help. |
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24/7 and keyboard funny
In message , T writes:
[re my intermittent keyboard odd behaviour] At this point until you figure out how to reproduce the issue, I think I should butt out. Too much speculation on my part is not helpful. Sorry I could not have been more help. Fair enough; I've more or less given up, too. Fortunately it doesn't happen often enough to be a major pain - and when it does, fiddling with the system usually makes it go away again. Thanks for your trying! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf once described by Eccentrica Golumbits as the best bang since the big one ... (first series, fit the second) |
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On 3/6/19 2:08 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
ThanksÂ*forÂ*yourÂ*trying! You are most welcome. :-) |
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