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Re-allocing Disk space
When I install a new version of Linux, as part of the installation
process, I can move stuff around on the HD to leave me with a good sized chunk of space into which I can install the new Linux. However, I believe Windows 7 has the ability to re-size HD partitions inbuilt. One of my niece's has a laptop with a 400GB HD which someone (possibly me, but I don't remember!) has separated into a 115GB C:\ (called OS) and a 370GB D:\ (called Data), and, of course, the C:\ is now almost full (104GB used) and the D:\ is almost empty (about 250MB (yes, MB) used). Could someone please tell me where I might find the re-sizing capability or further instructions to do it, so I can give her access to more of her HD?? End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? TIA Daniel |
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Daniel47 wrote:
When I install a new version of Linux, as part of the installation process, I can move stuff around on the HD to leave me with a good sized chunk of space into which I can install the new Linux. However, I believe Windows 7 has the ability to re-size HD partitions inbuilt. One of my niece's has a laptop with a 400GB HD which someone (possibly me, but I don't remember!) has separated into a 115GB C:\ (called OS) and a 370GB D:\ (called Data), and, of course, the C:\ is now almost full (104GB used) and the D:\ is almost empty (about 250MB (yes, MB) used). Could someone please tell me where I might find the re-sizing capability or further instructions to do it, so I can give her access to more of her HD?? End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? TIA Daniel The features are in Disk Management. The program name is "diskmgmt.msc". Shrink can only shrink a partition by half. This has to do with some metadata in an NTFS partition, that Windows doesn't want to move. The typical result, is you can only shrink by half. With some work, you can improve on that, but with Diskmgmt.msc alone, that is about the best shrink you can do. Expand should not have a limitation on how far it can expand. Example here. And you can see from the interface, it is a "shrink to the left" tool. And sometimes you need to "shrink to the right". http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...me-shrink.html Your idea of moving the data off D: and deleting it, has some merit. I've had good luck with "helping" an operation like this. Using "JKdefrag", a free command line program, it's possible to move the data in the partition. Depending on whether you're shrinking left or right, you may be able to move the data in advance. I had one utility, that was dog-slow, but it did know how to shrink. By moving all the data in advance, the utility would complete the final steps of the operation in the blink of an eye. If a utility for doing this kind of work doesn't provide good visual feedback as to progress, you can always split the operation into two pieces. And perhaps use JKdefrag to do the first part of it. The partition might start like this. The "X" is a file. +---------------------------+ | X XXX X | +---------------------------+ This is from the JKDefrag help file. For example: JkDefrag.exe -a 7 -d 2 -q c: d: -a N The action to perform. N is a number from 1 to 11, default is 3: 1 = Analyze, do not defragment and do not optimize. 2 = Defragment only, do not optimize. 3 = Defragment and fast optimize [recommended]. 5 = Force together. --- to the left 6 = Move to end of disk. --- to the right 7 = Optimize by sorting all files by name (folder + filename). ... If I moved all the files to the right using "6"... +---------------------------+ | XXXXX| +---------------------------+ Then doing a shrink happens quickly. This assumes the tool I'm using does shrink to the right (which the Windows one doesn't appear to do). I inserted the letter "M" to show some metadata blocking further shrinkage. +-----------+---------------+ |Unallocated|M XXXXX| +-----------+---------------+ So that's an example of shrinkage, which you don't really need. A proper partition manager, can handle shrink to the left or shrink to the right with no problem at all. When any disk maintenance tools have a problem working on C:, they will ask for a reboot, and fix the situation while Windows is not running. ******* Moving the data off D: , deleting D:, and expanding C: , should complete in no time at all. And can be done with Disk Management. Paul |
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On 14/11/2015 9:29 PM, Paul wrote:
Daniel47 wrote: When I install a new version of Linux, as part of the installation process, I can move stuff around on the HD to leave me with a good sized chunk of space into which I can install the new Linux. However, I believe Windows 7 has the ability to re-size HD partitions inbuilt. One of my niece's has a laptop with a 400GB HD which someone (possibly me, but I don't remember!) has separated into a 115GB C:\ (called OS) and a 370GB D:\ (called Data), and, of course, the C:\ is now almost full (104GB used) and the D:\ is almost empty (about 250MB (yes, MB) used). Could someone please tell me where I might find the re-sizing capability or further instructions to do it, so I can give her access to more of her HD?? End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? TIA Daniel The features are in Disk Management. The program name is "diskmgmt.msc". Shrink can only shrink a partition by half. This has to do with some metadata in an NTFS partition, that Windows doesn't want to move. The typical result, is you can only shrink by half. With some work, you can improve on that, but with Diskmgmt.msc alone, that is about the best shrink you can do. Expand should not have a limitation on how far it can expand. Example here. And you can see from the interface, it is a "shrink to the left" tool. And sometimes you need to "shrink to the right". http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...me-shrink.html Your idea of moving the data off D: and deleting it, has some merit. I've had good luck with "helping" an operation like this. Using "JKdefrag", a free command line program, it's possible to move the data in the partition. Depending on whether you're shrinking left or right, you may be able to move the data in advance. I had one utility, that was dog-slow, but it did know how to shrink. By moving all the data in advance, the utility would complete the final steps of the operation in the blink of an eye. If a utility for doing this kind of work doesn't provide good visual feedback as to progress, you can always split the operation into two pieces. And perhaps use JKdefrag to do the first part of it. The partition might start like this. The "X" is a file. +---------------------------+ | X XXX X | +---------------------------+ This is from the JKDefrag help file. For example: JkDefrag.exe -a 7 -d 2 -q c: d: -a N The action to perform. N is a number from 1 to 11, default is 3: 1 = Analyze, do not defragment and do not optimize. 2 = Defragment only, do not optimize. 3 = Defragment and fast optimize [recommended]. 5 = Force together. --- to the left 6 = Move to end of disk. --- to the right 7 = Optimize by sorting all files by name (folder + filename). ... If I moved all the files to the right using "6"... +---------------------------+ | XXXXX| +---------------------------+ Then doing a shrink happens quickly. This assumes the tool I'm using does shrink to the right (which the Windows one doesn't appear to do). I inserted the letter "M" to show some metadata blocking further shrinkage. +-----------+---------------+ |Unallocated|M XXXXX| +-----------+---------------+ So that's an example of shrinkage, which you don't really need. A proper partition manager, can handle shrink to the left or shrink to the right with no problem at all. When any disk maintenance tools have a problem working on C:, they will ask for a reboot, and fix the situation while Windows is not running. ******* Moving the data off D: , deleting D:, and expanding C: , should complete in no time at all. And can be done with Disk Management. Paul Thanks for all this, Paul. I've got all week to digest what you've typed above, and, if all else fails, I can use the tools on one of my Linux installation DVD's to sort things out. And, of course, before I do anything ..... back-up!! Daniel |
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In message , Daniel47
writes: When I install a new version of Linux, as part of the installation process, I can move stuff around on the HD to leave me with a good sized chunk of space into which I can install the new Linux. However, I believe Windows 7 has the ability to re-size HD partitions To a limited extent (though better than XP's). In particular, it's not good at _shrinking_ partitions, at least not ones with the OS on. (You can sometimes succeed by repeated goes at it.) [There are free partition managers out there - I found the Easeus one did what I wanted (and in a manner I found easy enough to use and understand), so didn't look further, so can't say it's better or worse than any others.] inbuilt. One of my niece's has a laptop with a 400GB HD which someone (possibly me, but I don't remember!) has separated into a 115GB C:\ (called OS) and a 370GB D:\ (called Data), and, of course, the C:\ is Sounds a sensible arrangement. now almost full (104GB used) and the D:\ is almost empty (about 250MB (yes, MB) used). Could someone please tell me where I might find the re-sizing capability or further instructions to do it, so I can give her access to more of her HD?? Click start, and type partition into the box just above it; before you've finished typing it (I think at "partit" or even "parti"), 7 will be showing you the relevant facility. (I think it's called something like Disk Management; I'm not on my 7 machine ATM so can't check). End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? Yes, even in the in-built tool; you'd do the copy (or rather move) [not with the tool - just ordinary Explorer], then delete D:, then grow C: to take up the unused space. TIA Daniel This approach, though, depresses me. How computer-savvy is your niece? What has obviously happened is that, although someone partitioned the disc nicely into OS and data (actually I'd say OS-and-software and data are better choices, but that's probably what was meant), all data has also been going onto C:. Unfortunately, many - I'd say most - Windows softwares still default to saving on C:, as do many users; quite a lot of the softwares can be beaten into using D:, and it's also worth using the relocate facility for the various system folders such as Documents. If you can also at least get your niece to at least grasp the simple concept of "never save anything to C:" (my apologies if she's more savvy than that), that would help. (It's unfortunate that the default "save" dialog doesn't show the full path, so people think "I'm saving in xyz", not "I'm saving in C:\....\xyz".) OK, "never save on C:" might result in her actually installing some software on D: too (the difference between installing and saving being too subtle for some), but with any luck she won't be installing much, if her knowledge is of that level. What I _wouldn't_ do is just resize C: to be bigger and D: smaller; either admit defeat [in niece training (-:] and just make it all C:, or do the training, move some of the identifiable _data_ from C: to D:, and possibly even _reduce_ C:. Or just do the move bit: move the data from C: to D: (including telling the OS that Documents, Pictures, etc. are on D; that alone _might_ be enough for niece to start using D: for data. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Does Barbie come with Ken?" "Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous |
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En el artículo , Daniel47 Daniel47@eternal-
september.org escribió: End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? Dead simple. http://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/ Free. Reliable (it does lots and lots of checking before actually doing anything, then more checking while it is working) and very easy to use. I've used it extensively and love it. Do what you suggest above and copy the 250MB data from D: to C: first, then use GParted to delete the D: partition and extend C: to fill the disk. -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
To a limited extent (though better than XP's). In particular, it's not good at _shrinking_ partitions, at least not ones with the OS on. I just tested the Disk Management shrink of C: with the OS running, and it did it. No reboot or anything. That was on the Win7 VM I have set up. Paul |
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Daniel47 wrote on 11/14/2015 4:44 AM:
When I install a new version of Linux, as part of the installation process, I can move stuff around on the HD to leave me with a good sized chunk of space into which I can install the new Linux. However, I believe Windows 7 has the ability to re-size HD partitions inbuilt. One of my niece's has a laptop with a 400GB HD which someone (possibly me, but I don't remember!) has separated into a 115GB C:\ (called OS) and a 370GB D:\ (called Data), and, of course, the C:\ is now almost full (104GB used) and the D:\ is almost empty (about 250MB (yes, MB) used). Could someone please tell me where I might find the re-sizing capability or further instructions to do it, so I can give her access to more of her HD?? End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? TIA Daniel I find http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html Partition Wizard 9 Free a great too. You can do multiple actions, even though I suggest one at a time. It will resize, move, expand etc. I've rearranged many an OS and Data partitions etc to make room for a 3rd Linux Partition. And did I say it was free. Nice GUI too. |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: To a limited extent (though better than XP's). In particular, it's not good at _shrinking_ partitions, at least not ones with the OS on. I just tested the Disk Management shrink of C: with the OS running, and it did it. No reboot or anything. That was on the Win7 VM I have set up. Paul I think - as others have said - it is often not happy shrinking to below about half current size. I think in fact it doesn't like moving some of the system files (such as the page file), which the OS has a tendency to place near half way through the partition, hence the half size limit. Rebooting after shrinking _can_ sometimes persuade the OS to move the files in question (perhaps to half way up the shrunk partition?), so allowing a new shrink. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Build a better mousetrap and along will come better mice. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: To a limited extent (though better than XP's). In particular, it's not good at _shrinking_ partitions, at least not ones with the OS on. I just tested the Disk Management shrink of C: with the OS running, and it did it. No reboot or anything. That was on the Win7 VM I have set up. Paul I think - as others have said - it is often not happy shrinking to below about half current size. I think in fact it doesn't like moving some of the system files (such as the page file), which the OS has a tendency to place near half way through the partition, hence the half size limit. Rebooting after shrinking _can_ sometimes persuade the OS to move the files in question (perhaps to half way up the shrunk partition?), so allowing a new shrink. When there is something in the way, it won't shrink below that. The pagefile doesn't typically sit half way out. You can use NFI to find out where your pagefile is today. Some metadata on disks, have a "preferred" location. The location may be picked for head movement efficiency reasons. For example, on a particular non-Windows file system, information sits at 33% out and 66% out. And the justification has to do with head movement when updating those structures. *All* the information on the partition can be moved. I expect even Microsoft could write a routine to do it. But adherence to certain design principles (actually wrongly applied in this case), result in the "performance" you see. If Microsoft followed their own rules, you would be able to shrink to 1/2 on the first application. 1/4 on the second application. 1/8 on the third application. And so on. But they did not put the extra effort into doing that. The "shrink to 1/2" applies even to data partitions, so it's not the pagefile that is in the way. If you do the following sequence. Disk Management - shrink to 1/2 Raxco PerfectDisk - defragment partition (moves blocking iten to 50% point) Disk Management - shrink to 1/4 Raxco PerfectDisk - defragment partition (moves blocking iten to 50% point) Disk Management - shrink to 1/8 So Raxco follows the rules, by moving that particular item to the 50% point of the remaining partition. When invoked, Raxco finds the blocking item all the way to the right, and moves it to the center. And that's why that particular (silly) method is iterative. I only did that, because I found a thread somewhere which noted the possibility and I wanted to try it out. I have a proper Partition Manager now, so won't be doing that any more :-) I used the trial version of PerfectDisk at the time, to try it out. Paul |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] I think - as others have said - it is often not happy shrinking to below about half current size. I think in fact it doesn't like moving some of the system files (such as the page file), which the OS has a tendency to place near half way through the partition, hence the half size limit. Rebooting after shrinking _can_ sometimes persuade the OS to move the files in question (perhaps to half way up the shrunk partition?), so allowing a new shrink. When there is something in the way, it won't shrink below that. The pagefile doesn't typically sit half way out. You can use OK, not the pagefile. I can't remember what it is that the OS tends to put half way. Maybe it's _any_ file that stops Disk Management shrinking NFI to find out where your pagefile is today. [I could if I knew what it was (-:] Some metadata on disks, have a "preferred" location. The location may be picked for head movement efficiency reasons. For example, on a particular non-Windows file system, information sits at 33% out and 66% out. And the justification has to do with head movement when updating those structures. (That's why I thought they might be half way up the partition.) *All* the information on the partition can be moved. I expect even Microsoft could write a routine to do it. But adherence to certain design principles (actually wrongly applied in this case), result in the "performance" you see. If Microsoft followed their own rules, you would be able to shrink to 1/2 on the first application. 1/4 on the second application. 1/8 on the third application. And so on. But they did not put the extra effort into doing that. The "shrink to 1/2" applies even to data partitions, so it's not the pagefile that is in the way. Ah, interesting. If you do the following sequence. Disk Management - shrink to 1/2 Raxco PerfectDisk - defragment partition (moves blocking iten to 50% point) Disk Management - shrink to 1/4 Raxco PerfectDisk - defragment partition (moves blocking iten to 50% point) Disk Management - shrink to 1/8 So Raxco follows the rules, by moving that particular item to the 50% point of the remaining partition. When invoked, Raxco finds the blocking item all the way to the right, and moves it to the center. And that's why that particular (silly) method is iterative. I only did that, because I found a thread somewhere which noted the possibility and I wanted to try it out. I have I don't know PerfectDisk; from the name, I'd have hoped it had/has an option to put things at the "start" of a partition (fastest?) rather than middle (minimise head movement). a proper Partition Manager now, so won't be doing that any Me too - the Easeus one. I don't know if it's the best - it was the first one I tried that both did what I wanted and did it in an easy-to-follow manner, so I didn't look any further. (I think it might even have been the first one I tried.) more :-) I used the trial version of PerfectDisk at the time, to try it out. Paul -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I long for the commercialised Christmas of the 1970s. It's got so religious now, it's lost its true meaning. - Mike [{at}ostic.demon.co.uk], 2003-12-24 |
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On 14/11/2015 10:49 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Daniel47 writes: When I install a new version of Linux, as part of the installation process, I can move stuff around on the HD to leave me with a good sized chunk of space into which I can install the new Linux. However, I believe Windows 7 has the ability to re-size HD partitions To a limited extent (though better than XP's). In particular, it's not good at _shrinking_ partitions, at least not ones with the OS on. (You can sometimes succeed by repeated goes at it.) [There are free partition managers out there - I found the Easeus one did what I wanted (and in a manner I found easy enough to use and understand), so didn't look further, so can't say it's better or worse than any others.] inbuilt. One of my niece's has a laptop with a 400GB HD which someone (possibly me, but I don't remember!) has separated into a 115GB C:\ (called OS) and a 370GB D:\ (called Data), and, of course, the C:\ is Sounds a sensible arrangement. now almost full (104GB used) and the D:\ is almost empty (about 250MB (yes, MB) used). Could someone please tell me where I might find the re-sizing capability or further instructions to do it, so I can give her access to more of her HD?? Click start, and type partition into the box just above it; before you've finished typing it (I think at "partit" or even "parti"), 7 will be showing you the relevant facility. (I think it's called something like Disk Management; I'm not on my 7 machine ATM so can't check). End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? Yes, even in the in-built tool; you'd do the copy (or rather move) [not with the tool - just ordinary Explorer], then delete D:, then grow C: to take up the unused space. TIA Daniel This approach, though, depresses me. How computer-savvy is your niece? What has obviously happened is that, although someone partitioned the disc nicely into OS and data (actually I'd say OS-and-software and data are better choices, but that's probably what was meant), all data has also been going onto C:. Unfortunately, many - I'd say most - Windows softwares still default to saving on C:, as do many users; quite a lot of the softwares can be beaten into using D:, and it's also worth using the relocate facility for the various system folders such as Documents. If you can also at least get your niece to at least grasp the simple concept of "never save anything to C:" (my apologies if she's more savvy than that), that would help. Many years ago, I set my sister's (the nieces mother's) computer up with C:\ for OS, D:\ for executables and E:\ for Data/Music/etc. That lasted about five minutes, so any wonder my niece (Year 10) uses her Laptop the way she does!! Much prefer the way Linux does it! (It's unfortunate that the default "save" dialog doesn't show the full path, so people think "I'm saving in xyz", not "I'm saving in C:\....\xyz".) OK, "never save on C:" might result in her actually installing some software on D: too (the difference between installing and saving being too subtle for some), but with any luck she won't be installing much, if her knowledge is of that level. What I _wouldn't_ do is just resize C: to be bigger and D: smaller; either admit defeat [in niece training (-:] and just make it all C:, or do the training, move some of the identifiable _data_ from C: to D:, and possibly even _reduce_ C:. Or just do the move bit: move the data from C: to D: (including telling the OS that Documents, Pictures, etc. are on D; that alone _might_ be enough for niece to start using D: for data. Can I set the Win7 OS up so that it thinks "My Documents", "My Music", etc, are on the D:\, so when my niece saves a document, it will automatically go to D:\?? Daniel |
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On 15/11/2015 2:21 AM, Big Al wrote:
Daniel47 wrote on 11/14/2015 4:44 AM: When I install a new version of Linux, as part of the installation process, I can move stuff around on the HD to leave me with a good sized chunk of space into which I can install the new Linux. However, I believe Windows 7 has the ability to re-size HD partitions inbuilt. One of my niece's has a laptop with a 400GB HD which someone (possibly me, but I don't remember!) has separated into a 115GB C:\ (called OS) and a 370GB D:\ (called Data), and, of course, the C:\ is now almost full (104GB used) and the D:\ is almost empty (about 250MB (yes, MB) used). Could someone please tell me where I might find the re-sizing capability or further instructions to do it, so I can give her access to more of her HD?? End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? TIA Daniel I find http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html Partition Wizard 9 Free a great too. You can do multiple actions, even though I suggest one at a time. It will resize, move, expand etc. I've rearranged many an OS and Data partitions etc to make room for a 3rd Linux Partition. And did I say it was free. Nice GUI too. Thanks for the recommendation, Big Al. Daniel |
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On 14/11/2015 11:51 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Daniel47 Daniel47@eternal- september.org escribió: End Game might be to copy the 250MB data from D:\ to C:\ and remove D:\ totally, so C:\ can have all the HD. Is this possible .... and simple?? Dead simple. http://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/ Free. Reliable (it does lots and lots of checking before actually doing anything, then more checking while it is working) and very easy to use. I've used it extensively and love it. Do what you suggest above and copy the 250MB data from D: to C: first, then use GParted to delete the D: partition and extend C: to fill the disk. Mike, I've used GParted to do thinks with-in various Linux installations, so have it if needed. I was hoping to do it natively with-in Win7, just to see if it was possible!! Daniel |
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In message , Daniel47
writes: [] Many years ago, I set my sister's (the nieces mother's) computer up with C:\ for OS, D:\ for executables and E:\ for Data/Music/etc. That lasted about five minutes, so any wonder my niece (Year 10) uses her Laptop the way she does!! Keeping (other) executables separate from the OS is quite hard work; what with so many applications keeping things in various system folders and their settings in the registry, I gave up that attempt long ago. (Though the _data_ being separate I still manage, mostly.) [Year 10 - is that about age 15? I think, certainly in an international 'group and/or one where there are people of different ages!, we should just refer to age ...] Much prefer the way Linux does it! [] Can I set the Win7 OS up so that it thinks "My Documents", "My Music", etc, are on the D:\, so when my niece saves a document, it will automatically go to D:\?? I'm pretty certain you can; I'm not on my 7 machine at the moment, but from memory, it's something like right-click on them, select properties, and look for "location" and "move" in one of the tabs. Daniel -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... "from a person I admire, respect, and deeply love." "Who was that then?" "Me." (Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Link episode.) |
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En el artículo , Daniel47 Daniel47@eternal-
september.org escribió: Mike, I've used GParted to do thinks with-in various Linux installations, so have it if needed. I was hoping to do it natively with-in Win7, just to see if it was possible!! Understood, thanks. I (and no doubt others) would be interested to hear how you get on. Cheers -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
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