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  #16  
Old March 27th 17, 02:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:07:14 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:


- Are you trying to use a wired Ethernet connection from your PC?


YES


Show us what equipment you have connected together, like this:

RJ11 --- TPLINK ------------ PC with 10/100BT card
ADSL
Model 12345

or maybe

RJ11 --- TPLINK ------ Linksys ------ PC with 10/100BT card
ADSL Router
Model 12345 Model ABCDE

If you're using 8 wire or 4 wire or a crossover cable
(different color connector on either end), fill in the
details as appropriate. Imagine we were in the room with
you, trying to puzzle this out, and looking for visual
evidence.

I consider your symptoms to be pretty damn strange, because
the error codes are coming from PPPOE, which means somehow
it has concluded the interface is encapsulated. Yet, no
other networking attempts seem to work. It seems the
"interface is functional, without being functional".
A real puzzle.

There's got to be something you're doing, that we don't
normally do out here. I almost never do the first diagram
above, because of security considerations. I've only tested
that config for around a minute or so.

Networking boxes may also consist of modem/router in the
same box. A clever user can disable the router portion,
turning a modem/router back into a modem, and then making
it capable of throwing PPPOE 3 digit error codes when
connected to a PC.

So if you've custom-configured the first broadband box,
again, we need details to puzzle this out.

I think the three digit error codes are significant, but
only when you provide some context as to how you've wired
things up.

Paul
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  #17  
Old March 27th 17, 11:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Error 651 on W7 PC

Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:07:14 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:


- Are you trying to use a wired Ethernet connection from your PC?


YES


Show us what equipment you have connected together, like this:

RJ11 --- TPLINK ------------ PC with 10/100BT card
ADSL
Model 12345

or maybe

RJ11 --- TPLINK ------ Linksys ------ PC with 10/100BT card
ADSL Router
Model 12345 Model ABCDE

If you're using 8 wire or 4 wire or a crossover cable
(different color connector on either end), fill in the
details as appropriate. Imagine we were in the room with
you, trying to puzzle this out, and looking for visual
evidence.

I consider your symptoms to be pretty damn strange, because
the error codes are coming from PPPOE, which means somehow
it has concluded the interface is encapsulated. Yet, no
other networking attempts seem to work. It seems the
"interface is functional, without being functional".
A real puzzle.

There's got to be something you're doing, that we don't
normally do out here. I almost never do the first diagram
above, because of security considerations. I've only tested
that config for around a minute or so.

Networking boxes may also consist of modem/router in the
same box. A clever user can disable the router portion,
turning a modem/router back into a modem, and then making
it capable of throwing PPPOE 3 digit error codes when
connected to a PC.

So if you've custom-configured the first broadband box,
again, we need details to puzzle this out.

I think the three digit error codes are significant, but
only when you provide some context as to how you've wired
things up.

Paul


He won't tell you. If you ask for details on more than one extremely
basic detail, he might address only one. I think we're dealing with a
troll here.
  #18  
Old March 28th 17, 10:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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Default Error 651 on W7 PC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:09:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:07:14 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:


- Are you trying to use a wired Ethernet connection from your PC?

YES


Show us what equipment you have connected together, like this:

RJ11 --- TPLINK ------------ PC with 10/100BT card
ADSL
Model 12345

or maybe

RJ11 --- TPLINK ------ Linksys ------ PC with 10/100BT card
ADSL Router
Model 12345 Model ABCDE

If you're using 8 wire or 4 wire or a crossover cable
(different color connector on either end), fill in the
details as appropriate. Imagine we were in the room with
you, trying to puzzle this out, and looking for visual
evidence.

I consider your symptoms to be pretty damn strange, because
the error codes are coming from PPPOE, which means somehow
it has concluded the interface is encapsulated. Yet, no
other networking attempts seem to work. It seems the
"interface is functional, without being functional".
A real puzzle.

There's got to be something you're doing, that we don't
normally do out here. I almost never do the first diagram
above, because of security considerations. I've only tested
that config for around a minute or so.

Networking boxes may also consist of modem/router in the
same box. A clever user can disable the router portion,
turning a modem/router back into a modem, and then making
it capable of throwing PPPOE 3 digit error codes when
connected to a PC.

So if you've custom-configured the first broadband box,
again, we need details to puzzle this out.

I think the three digit error codes are significant, but
only when you provide some context as to how you've wired
things up.

Paul


He won't tell you. If you ask for details on more than one extremely
basic detail, he might address only one. I think we're dealing with a
troll here.


Not a troll.

I have no idea how this connection is wired.
This is an old Dell Dimension 2200 with the original MOBO which has a
built-in cat5 connection that produces a 'Broadcom 440A 10/100
Integrated Controller' in Device Manager Network Afapter that is said
to be working fine. I tried a PCI adapter card I have, labelled
'NETGEAR FA310TX REV-D2 LC82C160C 0002A H3634-000', and Device
Manager says 'ethernet controller' under 'other devices', but
uninstalled even after I tried installing a driver I tried (prob wrong
driver?) 'netgear-fa310 drivv402'.

I get the same with XP and W7 - currently using the latter. As I
have bounced back and forth between the two OS's, I remember at one
time I actually had two internet connection icons on the task bar both
showing not connected. But now, the task bar shows one internet not
connected..
Thank you for trying to help anyway.
I am ready to scrap this thing.
Johnny
  #21  
Old March 28th 17, 09:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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wrote:
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:29:06 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:28:15 -0400,
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:09:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Paul wrote:

He won't tell you. If you ask for details on more than one extremely
basic detail, he might address only one. I think we're dealing with a
troll here.
Not a troll.

[snip]

You still haven't told us what you've being asked, which was not about
the nics and the OSs, but about how they're connected to the internet.
Therefore, still a troll.


I really thought I had said that I was connected via the stated
hardware via CAT5 to a Verizon router.
Love
Johnny


The OS should not attempt to use PPPOE and throw three
digit error codes... unless the broadband device on the
edge of your home setup is running "bridged".

Mine runs bridged, but it is followed by a router, like this.

RJ11 ---- ADSL Modem/router --- Separate Router box --------- Regular LAN connection
"Bridged Mode" terminates PPPOE, No PPPOE needed in Windows
VPI 0 VCI 35 Enter user/pass in the Windows thinks it's a LAN
setup screen of this box

If you want to run it this way, you'll have to take your lumps

RJ11 ---- ADSL Modem/router --- Windows must terminate PPPOE.
"Bridged Mode" A Windows dialog passes user/password
VPI 0 VCI 35 Three-digit error codes if you **** up

HTH,
Paul
  #22  
Old March 28th 17, 10:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Error 651 on W7 PC

wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:29:06 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:28:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:09:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Paul wrote:

He won't tell you. If you ask for details on more than one extremely
basic detail, he might address only one. I think we're dealing with a
troll here.

Not a troll.


[snip]

You still haven't told us what you've being asked, which was not about
the nics and the OSs, but about how they're connected to the internet.
Therefore, still a troll.


I really thought I had said that I was connected via the stated
hardware via CAT5 to a Verizon router.
Love
Johnny


Since you now say "Verizon router" (no, you never before mentioned to
WHAT your PC was connected), is that actually a separate router or
combination router+modem unit? Since you say "Verizon", it is probably
a combo unit. You have also not responded to the inquiry of whether you
have DSL or cable hookup to your ISP. PPOE should only be used if you
are using DSL. Are you?

What is the brand and model of the "router"? It might have a "Verizon"
sticker on it but the label on the box might say different.

PPOE is something configured in your router to interface with a DSL
modem. You don't use PPOE in your PC when connecting it to a router.
You would use PPOE for the PC's connectoid *if* the PC were directly
connected to a DSL modem.

And, as previously mentioned, have you deleted the connectoid you have
defined in Windows (Control Panel - Network and Sharing Center) and
created a new connectoid (that does NOT use PPOE)?

Oops, I've asked about more than one thing:
- Are you using DSL or cable for access to your ISP (Internet)?
- The brand and model of "router"?
- Delete existing connectoid in Windows and create a new non-PPOE one.

If you don't want to tell us, call Verizon (or whomever is your ISP) and
ask them about proper configuration in Windows for it to interface with
whatever "router" you are using that has their brand on it.
  #23  
Old March 29th 17, 12:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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Default Error 651 on W7 PC

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:32:33 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:29:06 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:28:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:09:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Paul wrote:

He won't tell you. If you ask for details on more than one extremely
basic detail, he might address only one. I think we're dealing with a
troll here.

Not a troll.

[snip]

You still haven't told us what you've being asked, which was not about
the nics and the OSs, but about how they're connected to the internet.
Therefore, still a troll.


I really thought I had said that I was connected via the stated
hardware via CAT5 to a Verizon router.
Love
Johnny


Since you now say "Verizon router" (no, you never before mentioned to
WHAT your PC was connected), is that actually a separate router or
combination router+modem unit? Since you say "Verizon", it is probably
a combo unit. You have also not responded to the inquiry of whether you
have DSL or cable hookup to your ISP. PPOE should only be used if you
are using DSL. Are you?

What is the brand and model of the "router"? It might have a "Verizon"
sticker on it but the label on the box might say different.

PPOE is something configured in your router to interface with a DSL
modem. You don't use PPOE in your PC when connecting it to a router.
You would use PPOE for the PC's connectoid *if* the PC were directly
connected to a DSL modem.

And, as previously mentioned, have you deleted the connectoid you have
defined in Windows (Control Panel - Network and Sharing Center) and
created a new connectoid (that does NOT use PPOE)?

Oops, I've asked about more than one thing:
- Are you using DSL or cable for access to your ISP (Internet)?
- The brand and model of "router"?
- Delete existing connectoid in Windows and create a new non-PPOE one.

If you don't want to tell us, call Verizon (or whomever is your ISP) and
ask them about proper configuration in Windows for it to interface with
whatever "router" you are using that has their brand on it


I'll try to come up with answers to all your Q's. But I am
surprised I am having all this trouble since I already have a W10 PC
and a multi-boot W7-W8-W10 PC both Cat5-connected to the router. And
a W7 laptop and a Samsung tablet also linked wireless to it. I have
had these for some time. No problems in this area.

I have Verizon FIOS BTW.

This problem Dell PC is just an extra given to me, and I wanted to
upgrade it, and maybe get a few bucks for it. Bad idea.
Thanks
JW
  #25  
Old March 29th 17, 04:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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But I am surprised I am having all this trouble


Probably because you never answer the questions for more details. Brand
and model number of router. No response from you. Separate router or
combo router+modem unit. No response. What type of connectoid is
defined in Windows 7. No response.

Since you don't want to give the details, I'm done with your
deliberately vague responses. Go talk to Verizon. They probably won't
be able to do anthing, either, with the dearth of details that you
provide and unwillingness to respond.

Bye bye. Enjoy working out this problem on that vague setup.
  #26  
Old March 29th 17, 04:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:10:56 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

wrote:

But I am surprised I am having all this trouble


Probably because you never answer the questions for more details. Brand
and model number of router. No response from you. Separate router or
combo router+modem unit. No response. What type of connectoid is
defined in Windows 7. No response.

Since you don't want to give the details, I'm done with your
deliberately vague responses. Go talk to Verizon. They probably won't
be able to do anthing, either, with the dearth of details that you
provide and unwillingness to respond.

Bye bye. Enjoy working out this problem on that vague setup.


You hung in there longer than I did.

--

Char Jackson
  #27  
Old March 29th 17, 01:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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Default Error 651 on W7 PC

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:10:56 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

wrote:

But I am surprised I am having all this trouble


Probably because you never answer the questions for more details. Brand
and model number of router. No response from you.


Router very non-descript Verizon QC WIFI
No brandname nor model #

Separate router or
combo router+modem unit. No response.


Router currently cat5-connected to this W10 PC plus a second W7/W10 PC
plus wireless-connected to a laptop and tablet. All work with router
just fine.

What type of connectoid is
defined in Windows 7. No response.


Not sure what a connectoid is - even after looking term up. Subject
W7 PC 'has no internet connection'. Device Manager shows one network
adapter -
Broadcom 440X10/100 integrated controller which is on the mobo.
I added a PCI Netgear interface card to try a second internect
connection - as of now it is not recognized even tho I installed
driver I have (which could be wrong I guess) - FA310 FA310TX v4.02.
The card is id'ed - Netgear FA310TX REV-D2 LC82C160C 0002A
H3634-000.


Since you don't want to give the details, I'm done with your
deliberately vague responses. Go talk to Verizon. They probably won't
be able to do anthing, either, with the dearth of details that you
provide and unwillingness to respond.


ok


Bye bye. Enjoy working out this problem on that vague setup.

 




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