External USB when booting issue

I keep a fair number of external hard disks more or less always
connected and turned on on one of my pcs. They've all been assigned
specific drive letters using Disk management which they all seem to
respect.

There are two issues I have.

First is "only sometimes" the shares on the various external drives
doesn't happen and I have to manually do them after booting. The drives
are assigned expected drive letters but the shares didn't hapopen? This
only happens sometimes but when it does it's all shares on external
drives but not on the internal drives which always show up.

Second is that one of the externals seems to delay booting by an
appreciable amount. System eventually boots but drive shows up in device
manager as unknown, Turning off the drive and back on cures the issue.
I'd like to know why that happens and if there's anything I can do about
it short of insuring disk is powered off when booting.

make sure everything is pluged in before you boot. If you do it
afterwards even slight with 6.1, it will know, and screws up.
You also may have a flaw in one of the plugs, which could make it act funny

On 3/28/2017 8:10 PM, pjp wrote:


I keep a fair number of external hard disks more or less always
connected and turned on on one of my pcs. They've all been assigned
specific drive letters using Disk management which they all seem to
respect.

There are two issues I have.

First is "only sometimes" the shares on the various external drives
doesn't happen and I have to manually do them after booting. The drives
are assigned expected drive letters but the shares didn't hapopen? This
only happens sometimes but when it does it's all shares on external
drives but not on the internal drives which always show up.

Second is that one of the externals seems to delay booting by an
appreciable amount. System eventually boots but drive shows up in device
manager as unknown, Turning off the drive and back on cures the issue.
I'd like to know why that happens and if there's anything I can do about
it short of insuring disk is powered off when booting.

In message , Wolf K
writes:
On 2017-03-28 23:10, pjp wrote:
[...]
Second is that one of the externals seems to delay booting by an
appreciable amount. System eventually boots but drive shows up in device
manager as unknown, Turning off the drive and back on cures the issue.
I'd like to know why that happens and if there's anything I can do about
it short of insuring disk is powered off when booting.

Could be the drive is failing: get a new one, copy data from old to

Or the electronics in the external housing; we had one that caused no
end of trouble, and we didn't think of it being the little portable
external drive. The drive itself was fine; just the little PCB in the
housing was at fault. (Made far more than you'd expect malfunction.)

new, then do a thorough disk diagnostics (lots of utilities available
for this). A cure that sometimes works is reformat (not "quick"
reformat), which will mark any bad sectors.

I'm not sure if modern drives still do that. (The formatting routines
may still work with drives that do, but I think the electronics in
modern [last decade or two] drives remap bad sectors and the like, so
that the host PC never actually sees such.) I think to actually do a
low-level format of that type now requires non-standard commands to the
drive, if it's even possible at all.

Good luck,

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In article ,
says...

make sure everything is pluged in before you boot. If you do it
afterwards even slight with 6.1, it will know, and screws up.
You also may have a flaw in one of the plugs, which could make it act funny

On 3/28/2017 8:10 PM, pjp wrote:


I keep a fair number of external hard disks more or less always
connected and turned on on one of my pcs. They've all been assigned
specific drive letters using Disk management which they all seem to
respect.

There are two issues I have.

First is "only sometimes" the shares on the various external drives
doesn't happen and I have to manually do them after booting. The drives
are assigned expected drive letters but the shares didn't hapopen? This
only happens sometimes but when it does it's all shares on external
drives but not on the internal drives which always show up.

Second is that one of the externals seems to delay booting by an
appreciable amount. System eventually boots but drive shows up in device
manager as unknown, Turning off the drive and back on cures the issue.
I'd like to know why that happens and if there's anything I can do about
it short of insuring disk is powered off when booting.


Well seeing as it's an external enclosure I'll just have to live with it
until I have a spare SATA drive to swap in and see if problem persists.
At this time it doesn't appear like it's a hardware problem, drive
passes all tests fine, SMART is ok etc. and the USB ports work as
expected for everything else gets plugged into them including
flashdrives, webcams, various game controllers and the like.

It appears more like the enclosure only "informs" the pc properly about
"something" only when it gets powered up and not when the usb port comes
alive during boot if it was previously powered up and remained so during
reboot process. There has to be some dialogue happens at some point for
OS to know it's a hard disk rather than a flashdrive or burner etc. etc.

On 3/29/2017 6:27 PM, pjp wrote:
In ,
says...

make sure everything is pluged in before you boot. If you do it
afterwards even slight with 6.1, it will know, and screws up.
You also may have a flaw in one of the plugs, which could make it act funny

On 3/28/2017 8:10 PM, pjp wrote:


I keep a fair number of external hard disks more or less always
connected and turned on on one of my pcs. They've all been assigned
specific drive letters using Disk management which they all seem to
respect.

There are two issues I have.

First is "only sometimes" the shares on the various external drives
doesn't happen and I have to manually do them after booting. The drives
are assigned expected drive letters but the shares didn't hapopen? This
only happens sometimes but when it does it's all shares on external
drives but not on the internal drives which always show up.

Second is that one of the externals seems to delay booting by an
appreciable amount. System eventually boots but drive shows up in device
manager as unknown, Turning off the drive and back on cures the issue.
I'd like to know why that happens and if there's anything I can do about
it short of insuring disk is powered off when booting.


Well seeing as it's an external enclosure I'll just have to live with it
until I have a spare SATA drive to swap in and see if problem persists.
At this time it doesn't appear like it's a hardware problem, drive
passes all tests fine, SMART is ok etc. and the USB ports work as
expected for everything else gets plugged into them including
flashdrives, webcams, various game controllers and the like.

It appears more like the enclosure only "informs" the pc properly about
"something" only when it gets powered up and not when the usb port comes
alive during boot if it was previously powered up and remained so during
reboot process. There has to be some dialogue happens at some point for
OS to know it's a hard disk rather than a flashdrive or burner etc. etc.

well, try check properties and make certain quick release in the policy
tab is bulleted. Do this in Device Manager. The other, makes you be
silly about disconnect of the drive. So I dont use it. Im using two
Hard Drives, that are external, one is sata

Also, try getting rid of quirk malware, that may be causing your machine
to run slower keeping malware that you dont need either, it just causes
you problems. mini viruses stuff, like get your credit card number stuff.

Every tom dick and harry out here, wants to plug you full of witchcraft
quirks trying to get your money... So they fill your machine with all
kinds of goodies.... We used this, novirusthanks.com, and yup, we
were impressed. Also, we dropped using MS stuff, cause of so much
scam that is built up inside the op systems,
so we will not upgrade from them anymore. To many reasons. As soon as
we went to another firewall, NO MORE trouble, it went out the door yup.
We did have a laptop that had a silly usb female plug that was with
its screwys, and this was the cause of what your talking about here....
We did go through this problem once yes. We sent it to a girl in
africa, and she about went coo coo with it, of course, we did not want
that to happen of. So told her not to use the usb plug, She sold it and
bought some food with the money. Should of just sent her the money
instead though, and fixed the dam chinese thing. But some laptops, you
cannot get them apart to repair them.

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says...

On 3/29/2017 6:27 PM, pjp wrote:
In ,
says...

make sure everything is pluged in before you boot. If you do it
afterwards even slight with 6.1, it will know, and screws up.
You also may have a flaw in one of the plugs, which could make it act funny

On 3/28/2017 8:10 PM, pjp wrote:


I keep a fair number of external hard disks more or less always
connected and turned on on one of my pcs. They've all been assigned
specific drive letters using Disk management which they all seem to
respect.

There are two issues I have.

First is "only sometimes" the shares on the various external drives
doesn't happen and I have to manually do them after booting. The drives
are assigned expected drive letters but the shares didn't hapopen? This
only happens sometimes but when it does it's all shares on external
drives but not on the internal drives which always show up.

Second is that one of the externals seems to delay booting by an
appreciable amount. System eventually boots but drive shows up in device
manager as unknown, Turning off the drive and back on cures the issue.
I'd like to know why that happens and if there's anything I can do about
it short of insuring disk is powered off when booting.


Well seeing as it's an external enclosure I'll just have to live with it
until I have a spare SATA drive to swap in and see if problem persists.
At this time it doesn't appear like it's a hardware problem, drive
passes all tests fine, SMART is ok etc. and the USB ports work as
expected for everything else gets plugged into them including
flashdrives, webcams, various game controllers and the like.

It appears more like the enclosure only "informs" the pc properly about
"something" only when it gets powered up and not when the usb port comes
alive during boot if it was previously powered up and remained so during
reboot process. There has to be some dialogue happens at some point for
OS to know it's a hard disk rather than a flashdrive or burner etc. etc.

well, try check properties and make certain quick release in the policy
tab is bulleted. Do this in Device Manager. The other, makes you be
silly about disconnect of the drive. So I dont use it. Im using two
Hard Drives, that are external, one is sata


Since I was creating device drivers for Windows 2.x when it came out I
do believe I've seen enough to not need your advice, no insult intended

On 3/30/2017 8:41 PM, pjp wrote:
In ,
says...

On 3/29/2017 6:27 PM, pjp wrote:
In ,
says...

make sure everything is pluged in before you boot. If you do it
afterwards even slight with 6.1, it will know, and screws up.
You also may have a flaw in one of the plugs, which could make it act funny

On 3/28/2017 8:10 PM, pjp wrote:


I keep a fair number of external hard disks more or less always
connected and turned on on one of my pcs. They've all been assigned
specific drive letters using Disk management which they all seem to
respect.

There are two issues I have.

First is "only sometimes" the shares on the various external drives
doesn't happen and I have to manually do them after booting. The drives
are assigned expected drive letters but the shares didn't hapopen? This
only happens sometimes but when it does it's all shares on external
drives but not on the internal drives which always show up.

Second is that one of the externals seems to delay booting by an
appreciable amount. System eventually boots but drive shows up in device
manager as unknown, Turning off the drive and back on cures the issue.
I'd like to know why that happens and if there's anything I can do about
it short of insuring disk is powered off when booting.


Well seeing as it's an external enclosure I'll just have to live with it
until I have a spare SATA drive to swap in and see if problem persists.
At this time it doesn't appear like it's a hardware problem, drive
passes all tests fine, SMART is ok etc. and the USB ports work as
expected for everything else gets plugged into them including
flashdrives, webcams, various game controllers and the like.

It appears more like the enclosure only "informs" the pc properly about
"something" only when it gets powered up and not when the usb port comes
alive during boot if it was previously powered up and remained so during
reboot process. There has to be some dialogue happens at some point for
OS to know it's a hard disk rather than a flashdrive or burner etc. etc.

well, try check properties and make certain quick release in the policy
tab is bulleted. Do this in Device Manager. The other, makes you be
silly about disconnect of the drive. So I dont use it. Im using two
Hard Drives, that are external, one is sata


Since I was creating device drivers for Windows 2.x when it came out I
do believe I've seen enough to not need your advice, no insult intended

not my fault you dont understand it. But then again, i dont really know
if your doing that or not, unplugin before the machine is off. For
that can also cause it to not recognize itself on the power up.
And since your like this, we will remember not to help again.