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Old October 27th 18, 10:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Jesper Kaas
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards


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Old October 27th 18, 01:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7



"Jesper Kaas" wrote in message
...
Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards


You can slipstream SP1 into an installation DVD:
https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-slipstream-windows-7-sp1-into-installation-dvd-iso/
Been years (more than 10, I'm sure) since I tried it, but IIRC, it worked
just fine.

AFA an AV program goes, most have either a .exe or .zip file as the initial
download. You don't mention which one you're using now, but if you have the
installation file(s) or CD/DVD for it, you can use that to install it on the
new setup.
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Old October 27th 18, 02:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Jesper Kaas
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:30:18 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-10-27 05:49, Jesper Kaas wrote:
Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards



Download your defender programs' install packages with a protected
machine, copy the packages to a USB stick, and install from there before
connecting to the 'net for daily updates (if any). "Protected machine"
includes your current one, doesn't it?

In any case, don't sweat it. Win7 includes MS's own defender, which is
pretty good as such things go.

Best,


Thanks all for the advices, and thanks to SC Tom for the link about
slipstreaming. I will try that.
I am using a free version of Avira now on the main machine. It has a
posiblity "Protect other devices" and I used that to download a 5.2 MB
exe-file. When I tried to run that on a laptop with wi-fi turned off,
the installation stopped after some time with a message "No internet
connection". So I have to try another Brand and see if it will
actually instsall without access to internet. It would be most welcome
with advice from someone that knows abourt an antivirus package that
will actually install without acces to internet.

Best regards
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Old October 27th 18, 02:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On 10/27/18 9:36 AM, Jesper Kaas wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:30:18 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-10-27 05:49, Jesper Kaas wrote:
Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards



Download your defender programs' install packages with a protected
machine, copy the packages to a USB stick, and install from there before
connecting to the 'net for daily updates (if any). "Protected machine"
includes your current one, doesn't it?

In any case, don't sweat it. Win7 includes MS's own defender, which is
pretty good as such things go.

Best,


Thanks all for the advices, and thanks to SC Tom for the link about
slipstreaming. I will try that.
I am using a free version of Avira now on the main machine. It has a
posiblity "Protect other devices" and I used that to download a 5.2 MB
exe-file. When I tried to run that on a laptop with wi-fi turned off,
the installation stopped after some time with a message "No internet
connection". So I have to try another Brand and see if it will
actually instsall without access to internet. It would be most welcome
with advice from someone that knows abourt an antivirus package that
will actually install without acces to internet.

Best regards

Why can't you just go here and download one already made up?
I don't have a win 7 key handy to see what your choices are on the next
screen but if they offer 7 with SP1 already, then go for it.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...nload/windows7


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Old October 27th 18, 02:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On 10/27/18 9:42 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 10/27/18 9:36 AM, Jesper Kaas wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:30:18 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2018-10-27 05:49, Jesper Kaas wrote:
Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
Â*Â* But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards


Download your defender programs' install packages with a protected
machine, copy the packages to a USB stick, and install from there before
connecting to the 'net for daily updates (if any). "Protected machine"
includes your current one, doesn't it?

In any case, don't sweat it. Win7 includes MS's own defender, which is
pretty good as such things go.

Best,


Thanks all for the advices, and thanks to SC Tom for the link about
slipstreaming. I will try that.
I am using a free version of Avira now on the main machine. It has a
posiblity "Protect other devices" and I used that to download a 5.2 MB
exe-file. When I tried to run that on a laptop with wi-fi turned off,
the installation stopped after some time with a message "No internet
connection". So I have to try another Brand and see if it will
actually instsall without access to internet. It would be most welcome
with advice from someone that knows abourt an antivirus package that
will actually install without acces to internet.

Best regards

Why can't you just go here and download one already made up?
I don't have a win 7 key handy to see what your choices are on the next
screen but if they offer 7 with SP1 already, then go for it.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...nload/windows7


Found one, and it allowed me to download 7 with SP1 premium.

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Old October 27th 18, 02:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Weatherman
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

Jesper Kaas wrote:
Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards



Your router should have a firewall. That's all you need.
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Old October 27th 18, 03:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Weatherman
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
download cracks for your pirated software then there is a BIG BIG
problem. Don't do it.


Really? Please explain (as if).
  #8  
Old October 27th 18, 04:02 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Jesper Kaas
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:42:13 -0400, Big Al wrote:

Why can't you just go here and download one already made up?
I don't have a win 7 key handy to see what your choices are on the next
screen but if they offer 7 with SP1 already, then go for it.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...nload/windows7

Thanks a lot. The download is now running (should be finished in 37
minutes as i write this), and I don't have to fiddle with
slipstreaming :-)
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Old October 27th 18, 05:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Jesper Kaas
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:02:50 +0200, Jesper Kaas
wrote:

Thanks a lot. The download is now running (should be finished in 37
minutes as i write this), and I don't have to fiddle with
slipstreaming :-)


Eh, and can the ISO be used to create a bootable USB?
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Old October 27th 18, 05:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Sam E[_2_]
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On 10/27/18 4:49 AM, Jesper Kaas wrote:
Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards


Some people believe that installing antivirus software weakens the OS,
providing more flaws viruses can use to infect it. Also, a lot of
problems come from AV interfering with things.

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Old October 27th 18, 06:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Jesper Kaas
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:45:24 -0500, Sam E
wrote:

Some people believe that installing antivirus software weakens the OS,
providing more flaws viruses can use to infect it. Also, a lot of
problems come from AV interfering with things.

Not me :-)
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Old October 27th 18, 07:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
😉 Good Guy 😉
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On 27/10/2018 17:04, Jesper Kaas wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:02:50 +0200, Jesper Kaas
wrote:

Thanks a lot. The download is now running (should be finished in 37
minutes as i write this), and I don't have to fiddle with
slipstreaming :-)

Eh, and can the ISO be used to create a bootable USB?


Yes but you are not as intelligent as one would expect from a Windows
Operating System user. Have you just moved away from Linux Junk?



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Old October 27th 18, 08:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:45:24 -0500, Sam E
wrote:

Some people believe that installing antivirus software weakens the OS,
providing more flaws viruses can use to infect it.



Yes, probably some people believe that. Some people believe the earth
is flat. Some people believe all sorts of false things. "Installing
antivirus software weakens the OS" is one of the many false things
that some people believe.



Also, a lot of
problems come from AV interfering with things.



Another false thing. However if you run two or more anti-virus
programs, yes, they can interfere with each other.

But I should point out that not all anti-virus programs are equally
good. Undoubtedly some of the poorer ones *can* cause problems.

Some people also believe that if you practice "safe hex," an
anti-virus program isn't necessary. That *is* correct. However (and
it's a *big* however) unless you *never* go to the Internet and
*never* insert CDs, DVDs, external hard drives, thumb drives, etc.,
you can never be completely sure you are always practicing safe hex.
Rather than hoping you are always practicing safe hex it's wise to not
only do what you think is safe hex, but also run an anti-virus
program. As far as I'm concerned, not running an anti-virus program
is the height of foolishness. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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Old October 27th 18, 10:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

KenW wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:49:19 +0200, Jesper Kaas
wrote:

Hi

I have an old installation of Windows 7 that is now running on the
third motherboard and third or fourth harddisk/SSD. It is a wee bit
quirky, and I want to install it fresh to a new SSD from the original
installation DVD.
But how to handle connecting the machine to internet and installing
antivirus? I mean, can I finish the installation of Windows 7, connect
to internet, download and install an antivirus package without risking
that the machine gets infected before the antivirus packe is up and
running? Are there antivirus packages that can be downloaded with a
complete install package to USB-stick on the old Windows 7 rig. Then
when the new Windows 7 install is finished, install the antivirus from
USB-stick and then connect to internet?
Thanks for any advice on the above subject, and maybe also how to make
an install-media that contains service pack 1. And of course any other
advice :-)

Best regards


Download your security programs and Win 7 installation files.
Disconnect from the internet, install Win 7 and your security
programs. Then you can connect to the internet. I don't know if that
virus is still in the wild, but I got nailed once staying connected to
the internet when installing Win7.


Directly connected to a dialup modem or a broadband modem ?

Or connected to a modem/router, with the router NAT cone
to protect you ?

If you used a router, a lot of trivial stuff can be stopped.
SASSER would be stopped. SMB attacks would be stopped (because
I don't think a router by default opens the Windows file sharing
port - that would be a terrible feature!!!). My first router
had IDENTD not stealthed, but that could be fixed with
a port forwarding rule. I read somewhere it was a bad idea
to leave it visible, but I've not read of a means of
exploiting it.

You should:

1) Be using IPV4 (because of coincidental NAT with IPV4 on ruter).
2) Be using a router, between the Internet and your computer
(for the NAT, the network address translation). By matching
outgoing ports to incoming ports, plus stateful packet inspection,
it's possible to do a decent job of "hardening" your Internet side.

It's not clear to me, other than security-by-obscurity (the 4 billion
local addresses), how IPV6 can be made to afford the same level of
coincidental protection.

I know there are some idiots out there, running Windows connected
directly to just the modem portion, then relying on the
Windows Firewall to protect them, but that's like this...

"The Windows Firewall... Wile E Coyote"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T...screencap).jpg

All you need is for one clever Black Hat to find an exploit
for the Windows Firewall, and then you're cooked.

While looking up SASSER yesterday, I see there are more
worm exploits out there than I was expecting. SASSER alone wouldn't
be an issue unless you were installing one of the older OSes.
But some of the others might actually need to be patched,
to make the machine safe. In which case, a person could
prepare a "patch kit" with WSUSOffline and inject ~150 security
updates via a USB stick. I've done that before. It takes a while,
no matter how you do it.

HTH,
Paul
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Old October 27th 18, 10:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Antivirus during fresh install of Windows7

Jesper Kaas wrote:
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:02:50 +0200, Jesper Kaas
wrote:

Thanks a lot. The download is now running (should be finished in 37
minutes as i write this), and I don't have to fiddle with
slipstreaming :-)


Eh, and can the ISO be used to create a bootable USB?


Yes.

An 8GB USB key is what I use (sufficient to handle some
oversized Win10 installs).

From a previous posting...

*******

"Windows 7 USB DVD Download Tool
(extracts from ISO9660 file and copies files to USB stick)"

The first link is the README, the second link the download.

http://web.archive.org/web/201201022...usbdvd_dwnTool

http://web.archive.org/web/201110052...B-DVD-tool.exe

If you operate that tool from a 64-bit OS, it can make
32 bit or 64 bit USB sticks from
32 bit ISO or 64 bit ISO files.

If your "preparation machine" is 32 bit, you'll need to find
and install a 32-bit version of bootsect.exe in the program
folder of that program. Note that the installation is non-standard
and the tool was obviously not created by Microsoft themselves.

I have successfully used a WinXP 32 bit machine to make USB
keys to install Win7,Win8,Win10 of either the 32 bit or the
64 bit ISO9660 image. Finding a bootsect.exe that was a
32 bit executable, and adding that, was all I needed to make
it work.

*******

HTH,
Paul

 




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