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T wrote:
On 3/5/19 1:45 PM, Mayayana wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | Having said that: I just got one of the manifestations of the weirdness | while I was typing the above paragraph, I turned AllChars off (didn't | uninstall it), and I got my typing back! So, more investigation needed. | I've just turned AllChars back on, and I can still type - including | éû?" the odd characters AllChars makes it easy to type. That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent. For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see erratic behavior. Does Windows have a master keyboard reset function? Yeah, it's the "Any Key" :-/ ******* If you delete the ENUM hive and allow the OS to rediscover the hardware, there's a possibility your keyboard will work again. Until the discovery process reinstalls the errant "thing" borking your keyboard, a second time for you. A Kaspersky Rescue Disc has a registry editor, which could make this easy for you. I have deleted the ENUM key on a Win10 install, rebooted, and... it survived. I cannot vouch for it doing something useful, because the OS wasn't actually broken. Typically this is used in situations where a USB stick doesn't work on "certain" USB ports, and the user wants this to stop. Paul |
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:09:22 -0800, T wrote:
On 3/5/19 6:04 AM, Sam Hill wrote: Yeah, I suppose it was a bit of a tangent. But your statement that "24/7" equates to "reboot each night" grabbed my immediate attention. As Char stated, that was just wrong! Hi Sam, I kill filed Char years ago. I do not see anything she writes. You trust what she says at you own risk. Also keep in mind in these kinds of forums that there are always those that make it their life's work to defend the honor of their favorite software, working or not. A polite name for them is "tech evangelists". They are pains in the ass. Eventually they wind up in my kill file, as did Char. If I'm in your killfile, it's because I have little patience for consultants with such a low skill level. You and I are sort of in the same field, albeit at opposite ends of the spectrum, and it embarrasses me to have you on the greater team. Home users that run (not use) 24/7 typically are doing so because they want immediate access and they don't care about the energy cost. And sometimes because they have viruses and have a bad time getting their computers to restart and are too cheap to get them fixed. Providing everything else is okay, rebooting in the middle of the night have solved these issues. I'd love to hear how rebooting, in the middle of the night or at anytime at all, is going to get rid of malware. You call them viruses, but viruses are a very small fraction of current malware. Whatever you want to call malware, please explain how rebooting helps in the slightest. I have also had to do the reboot thing on some Windows Servers. They are not very reliable. I typically make them reboot after their backup completes in the night. One one machine, it would prince 4" letter across their order form if the server was left running more than two days. It was hysterical. I had a good laugh when they showed me their sales forms. For enterprise 24/7, Paul is your best guy to ask. It is a whole different ball game. Also, enterprise level typically will use more reliable systems, such as Linux. By the way, that last remark will typically blow the head off a tech evangelist. Unfortunately their heads do grow back. Now you are completely free to disregard my advice as well. This is what I have done and this is my experience. And I am making a concerted effort to help folks, not to stalk them and disparage them, as does Char. I only disparage you because: a) your skill level is so low, b) you're so sure of yourself when you shouldn't be, c) you take money from people for your "help". I've had to come behind people like you and clean up your mess more times than I can count. I find that people generally don't like paying twice to resolve the same issues, but that's on you, not me. -- Char Jackson |
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:18:50 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote: On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:09:22 -0800, T wrote: On 3/5/19 6:04 AM, Sam Hill wrote: Yeah, I suppose it was a bit of a tangent. But your statement that "24/7" equates to "reboot each night" grabbed my immediate attention. As Char stated, that was just wrong! Hi Sam, I kill filed Char years ago. I do not see anything she writes. You trust what she says at you own risk. Also keep in mind in these kinds of forums that there are always those that make it their life's work to defend the honor of their favorite software, working or not. A polite name for them is "tech evangelists". They are pains in the ass. Eventually they wind up in my kill file, as did Char. If I'm in your killfile, it's because I have little patience for consultants with such a low skill level. You and I are sort of in the same field, albeit at opposite ends of the spectrum, and it embarrasses me to have you on the greater team. Home users that run (not use) 24/7 typically are doing so because they want immediate access and they don't care about the energy cost. And sometimes because they have viruses and have a bad time getting their computers to restart and are too cheap to get them fixed. Providing everything else is okay, rebooting in the middle of the night have solved these issues. I'd love to hear how rebooting, in the middle of the night or at anytime at all, is going to get rid of malware. You call them viruses, but viruses are a very small fraction of current malware. Whatever you want to call malware, please explain how rebooting helps in the slightest. I have also had to do the reboot thing on some Windows Servers. They are not very reliable. I typically make them reboot after their backup completes in the night. One one machine, it would prince 4" letter across their order form if the server was left running more than two days. It was hysterical. I had a good laugh when they showed me their sales forms. For enterprise 24/7, Paul is your best guy to ask. It is a whole different ball game. Also, enterprise level typically will use more reliable systems, such as Linux. By the way, that last remark will typically blow the head off a tech evangelist. Unfortunately their heads do grow back. Now you are completely free to disregard my advice as well. This is what I have done and this is my experience. And I am making a concerted effort to help folks, not to stalk them and disparage them, as does Char. I only disparage you because: a) your skill level is so low, b) you're so sure of yourself when you shouldn't be, c) you take money from people for your "help". I've had to come behind people like you and clean up your mess more times than I can count. I find that people generally don't like paying twice to resolve the same issues, but that's on you, not me. I'm replying to your message for two reasons: 1. To agree with everything you say. 2. To let T see what you posted, since he won't if he has you killfiled. Unless you or someone else here quotes his reply to me, I won't see it, since he's long been killfiled here. But that's fine with me. The reason he's killfiled is so I don't have to read his crap. |
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Hi Ken,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsIa_LKojJI And you are now also in my kill file. Reason: you are an ass hole. You have a nice day now. -T |
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"T" wrote
That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent. For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see erratic behavior. | Does Windows have a master keyboard reset function? What would you reset? You mean to clear all hooks? That wouldn't make sense. They serve a purpose. And they're basically private software functions. |
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On 3/5/19 2:11 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
It was a very secure system Designed by the RCMP, The chosen system supplier,Â*MyÂ*bossÂ*andÂ*myself. I was the only person who had access to the system, I ran it, maintained Â*it and allocated door reader access cards and even our IT department wereÂ*notÂ*allowedÂ*toÂ*accessÂ*it. No, The internet would never be allowed near a security system. in that building. Awesome. I worked on a kiosk (payment portal outside a business) that had a 386 in it and no circulation. The heat in the summer fried about three motherboards in one summer. And it was slower than hell. I finally convinced the business to get rid of it. I can't even find 386 motherboards if I wanted to. FleeBay maybe? It is nice to see someone doing things well for a change. |
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On 3/5/19 2:18 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 3/5/19 1:45 PM, Mayayana wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | Having said that: I just got one of the manifestations of the weirdness | while I was typing the above paragraph, I turned AllChars off (didn't | uninstall it), and I got my typing back! So, more investigation needed. | I've just turned AllChars back on, and I can still type - including | éû?" the odd characters AllChars makes it easy to type. Â*Â*Â*Â* That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent. For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see erratic behavior. Does Windows have a master keyboard reset function? Yeah, it's the "Any Key" :-/ ******* If you delete the ENUM hive and allow the OS to rediscover the hardware, there's a possibility your keyboard will work again. Until the discovery process reinstalls the errant "thing" borking your keyboard, a second time for you. A Kaspersky Rescue Disc has a registry editor, which could make this easy for you. I have deleted the ENUM key on a Win10 install, rebooted, and... it survived. I cannot vouch for it doing something useful, because the OS wasn't actually broken. Typically this is used in situations where a USB stick doesn't work on "certain" USB ports, and the user wants this to stop. Â*Â* Paul A little less drastic would be to delete your keyboard from your device manager and reboot. Then try Paul's suggestion. Back up your registry first and make sure your have a working PE Disk first to restore your registry if needed. |
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On 3/5/19 2:55 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent. For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see erratic behavior. | Does Windows have a master keyboard reset function? What would you reset? You mean to clear all hooks? That wouldn't make sense. They serve a purpose. And they're basically private software functions. No idea. I am just shooting in the dark |
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In Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:18:50 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 13:09:22 -0800, T wrote: On 3/5/19 6:04 AM, Sam Hill wrote: Yeah, I suppose it was a bit of a tangent. But your statement that "24/7" equates to "reboot each night" grabbed my immediate attention. As Char stated, that was just wrong! Hi Sam, I kill filed Char years ago. I do not see anything she writes. You trust what she says at you own risk. Also keep in mind in these kinds of forums that there are always those that make it their life's work to defend the honor of their favorite software, working or not. A polite name for them is "tech evangelists". They are pains in the ass. Eventually they wind up in my kill file, as did Char. If I'm in your killfile, it's because I have little patience for consultants with such a low skill level. You and I are sort of in the same field, albeit at opposite ends of the spectrum, and it embarrasses me to have you on the greater team. Home users that run (not use) 24/7 typically are doing so because they want immediate access and they don't care about the energy cost. And sometimes because they have viruses and have a bad time getting their computers to restart and are too cheap to get them fixed. Providing everything else is okay, rebooting in the middle of the night have solved these issues. I'd love to hear how rebooting, in the middle of the night or at anytime at all, is going to get rid of malware. You call them viruses, but viruses are a very small fraction of current malware. Whatever you want to call malware, please explain how rebooting helps in the slightest. I have also had to do the reboot thing on some Windows Servers. They are not very reliable. I typically make them reboot after their backup completes in the night. One one machine, it would prince 4" letter across their order form if the server was left running more than two days. It was hysterical. I had a good laugh when they showed me their sales forms. For enterprise 24/7, Paul is your best guy to ask. It is a whole different ball game. Also, enterprise level typically will use more reliable systems, such as Linux. By the way, that last remark will typically blow the head off a tech evangelist. Unfortunately their heads do grow back. Now you are completely free to disregard my advice as well. This is what I have done and this is my experience. And I am making a concerted effort to help folks, not to stalk them and disparage them, as does Char. I only disparage you because: a) your skill level is so low, b) you're so sure of yourself when you shouldn't be, c) you take money from people for your "help". That last is really sad. He takes on a customer's computer, can't fix it, then comes here to Usenet to ask how. If he receives an answer, he applies it to the customer and doesn't share the money. I've had to come behind people like you and clean up your mess more times than I can count. I find that people generally don't like paying twice to resolve the same issues, but that's on you, not me. Ah yes; been there, done that. g |
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 14:58:11 -0800, T wrote:
No idea. I am just shooting in the dark So, just another typical day in your life, eh? |
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 14:58:11 -0800, T wrote:
On 3/5/19 2:55 PM, Mayayana wrote: "T" wrote That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent. For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see erratic behavior. | Does Windows have a master keyboard reset function? What would you reset? You mean to clear all hooks? That wouldn't make sense. They serve a purpose. And they're basically private software functions. No idea. I am just shooting in the dark Par for the course, Todd. -- Char Jackson |
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On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 14:50:30 -0800, T wrote:
Hi Ken, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsIa_LKojJI And you are now also in my kill file. Reason: you are an ass hole. You have a nice day now. Hey Ken, you've been invited to have a nice day. ;-) LOL At least he saw my, and your, feedback. Thanks for that. -- Char Jackson |
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In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 6:04 AM, Sam Hill wrote: Yeah, I suppose it was a bit of a tangent. But your statement that "24/7" equates to "reboot each night" grabbed my immediate attention. As Char stated, that was just wrong! Hi Sam, I kill filed Char years ago. I do not see anything she writes. You trust what she says at you own risk. Cheap shots like your "she" tempt me to killfile you too (-:. But you are at other times quite helpful; odd. Also keep in mind in these kinds of forums that there are always those that make it their life's work to defend the honor of their favorite software, working or not. A polite name for them is "tech evangelists". They are pains in the ass. Eventually they wind up in my kill file, as did Char. Equally, there are those who make it their life's work to stop people using their unfavourite software, whether it can be fixed or not (-:. Home users that run (not use) 24/7 typically are doing so because they want immediate access and they don't care about the energy At this time of year in the northern hemisphere, the energy cost is minimal - it just means the heating works a tiny bit less hard, so the only cost is the difference between one and another form of energy. cost. And sometimes because they have viruses and have a bad time getting their computers to restart and are too cheap to get them fixed. (To the other person who asked how does restarting fix malwa to me, that's not what T is saying above. He's just saying they may have difficulty restarting because of malware, which I could believe [fortunately I've never had bad malware].) Providing everything else is okay, rebooting in the middle of the night have solved these issues. (Assuming the "bad time" is _purely_ that it takes a long time.) [] Now you are completely free to disregard my advice as well. [Gee, thanks (-:] This is what I have done and this is my experience. And I am making a concerted effort to help folks, not to stalk them and disparage them, as does Char. Pot, kettle ... -T -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "On the whole, I'm in favour of the state getting out of people's lives, but I would not have a problem with voting being made compulsory. But if you did that, you'd have to have a box for 'None of the above'." Jeremy Paxman, quoted in RT 2015/5/2-8 |
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In message , T writes:
[] And another long shot, if you do a "user" log off (not a reboot) and log back on, does it clear the problem? Don't know. I _think_ my fiddling time (if I fiddle about, the fault usually disappears) is less time than that would take. (I use auto-logon, if that's the right term - I am the only user, so don't have a log on screen.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "On the whole, I'm in favour of the state getting out of people's lives, but I would not have a problem with voting being made compulsory. But if you did that, you'd have to have a box for 'None of the above'." Jeremy Paxman, quoted in RT 2015/5/2-8 |
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In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 2:18 PM, Paul wrote: T wrote: On 3/5/19 1:45 PM, Mayayana wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | Having said that: I just got one of the manifestations of the weirdness | while I was typing the above paragraph, I turned AllChars off (didn't | uninstall it), and I got my typing back! So, more investigation needed. | I've just turned AllChars back on, and I can still type - including | éû?" the odd characters AllChars makes it easy to type. **** That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent. For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see erratic behavior. Possible. I don't _think_ so; AllChars works not by detecting Ctrl key _in combination with_ other keys, so it's unlikely to conflict with anything else - it detects the Ctrl key being pressed _and then released_ _before_ another key. For example, to generate ± (the plus-or-minus symbol), I type _in sequence_ Ctrl, +, - (and lots of other similar sequences). Does Windows have a master keyboard reset function? Yeah, it's the "Any Key" :-/ (-: ******* If you delete the ENUM hive and allow the OS to rediscover the hardware, there's a possibility your keyboard will work again. Until the discovery process reinstalls the errant "thing" borking your keyboard, a second time for you. A Kaspersky Rescue Disc has a registry editor, which could make this easy for you. Unless this could be done as something I could make a shortcut to (a ..reg file maybe?) to try, I think it's more complexity than I'd feel comfortable tackling. [] A little less drastic would be to delete your keyboard from your device manager and reboot. Then try Paul's No, a reboot always clears it anyway, even if I don't delete anything or do anything else specific beforehand. suggestion. Back up your registry first and make sure your have a working PE Disk first to restore your registry if needed. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "On the whole, I'm in favour of the state getting out of people's lives, but I would not have a problem with voting being made compulsory. But if you did that, you'd have to have a box for 'None of the above'." Jeremy Paxman, quoted in RT 2015/5/2-8 |
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